[OLD] Open Setup Discussion and Nominations

[The Fonz]

So it's basically Assassins in the Palace?

[somestrangeflea]

So it's basically Assassins in the Palace?

It's essentially a more complicated version, and since the original version was deemed "not normal enough", then I highly doubt this one will be either.

[Oman]

Yeah Flea. It was everyone knowning X role and the vengefuls that made is Unnormal IIRC

[Adel]

Mountainous multiball?

Two groups of 2 scum each
8 VT

just to make sure I understand this setup correctly:

Mountainous Multiball

2 Goons, Mafia A
2 Goons, Mafia B
8 Townies

Daystart

No-cross kill protection allowed.
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did I get it right?

[The Fonz]

Yes, although the statement 'no Xkill protection allowed' is unnecessary since it is implied by a) the word 'mountainous' in the title, and b) the term goon you so helpfully inserted there.

[xyzzy]

Thermopylae

2 scum
2 cops
2 docs
6 townies

Scum get 2 kills per night, regardless of how many scum are alive. Night start.

Vanilla Thermopylae

2 scum
10 town

Each scum has 1 kill per night, which is lost upon death. Night start.

[The Fonz]

Don't like vanilla thermopylae, since it's basically mountainous but with additional scumpower, and therefore almost certainly too strongly scum-favouring. I could maaaybe see the more complicated version working.

[somestrangeflea]

Vengeful²

1 Mafia A GF
1 Mafia A Goon
1 Mafia B GF
1 Mafia B Goon
6 Townies

A lynched GF causes the respective goon to die.
A lynched Townie gets a Vig kill on death, but only on non-LyLo days.
A lynched Goon gets a Vig kill on death, but only if there are members of the other Mafia faction alive.
Nightless.

[The Fonz]

There is actually a setup called Vengeful^2, it's on the wiki. Other than that, it seems a fun setup.

[somestrangeflea]

There is actually a setup called Vengeful^2, it's on the wiki. Other than that, it seems a fun setup.

There is?

I can't find it... There's a Dethy^2, but not a Vengeful^2, AFAICT.

Linkplx?

[The Fonz]

You might be right. I swear i read it last night.

[Kelly Chen]

Vengeful²

1 Mafia A GF
1 Mafia A Goon
1 Mafia B GF
1 Mafia B Goon
6 Townies

A lynched GF causes the respective goon to die.
A lynched Townie gets a Vig kill on death, but only on non-LyLo days.
A lynched Goon gets a Vig kill on death, but only if there are members of the other Mafia faction alive.
Nightless.

Comments:
Assuming this is still nightless, giving townies a vig

only

on non-Lylo days may be a negligible advantage. It means the town gets a vig instead of a lynch (though minus any resulting goon vengekills), and only when they

don't

need it to continue. The question comes up of whether one is allowed to pass on vigging.

I've played around with designing this type of setup (with fewer townies actually), but found it dissatisfying that the "advantage" for town of lynching a GF (i.e. double kill) could lose town the game.

I'm not sure how feasible it is to win as scum in this setup.

[Thok]

I've played around with designing this type of setup (with fewer townies actually), but found it dissatisfying that the "advantage" for town of lynching a GF (i.e. double kill) could lose town the game.

As a serious suggestion, how about making it so either godfather being lynched causes both goons to be killed?

[somestrangeflea]

Comments:
Assuming this is still nightless, giving townies a vig only on non-Lylo days may be a negligible advantage. It means the town gets a vig instead of a lynch (though minus any resulting goon vengekills), and only when they don't need it to continue. The question comes up of whether one is allowed to pass on vigging.

Passing on vigging is a yes, and I was wondering whether or not Vengekills should be LyLo-only, non-LyLo, or something else. My original vision for the game was:
A Vengeful game with 2 factions, whilst staying as true to the original as possible.
This lead to the thought "Surely, if there are more scum, the Town should be given the possibility of more than one Vengekill". I had a bit of trouble implementing that, though.

As a serious suggestion, how about making it so either godfather being lynched causes both goons to be killed?

I don't like the idea of one scum faction being punished because the other has played badly. Seems a tad unfair.

[Kelly Chen]

Vengekills are originally useful because they give the town a second chance at lylo. To be generally useful for town I guess you need to have nightkills.

Lynching a GF causing both goons to die is dissatisfying from the rival scum group's perspective...

[shaft.ed]

Allright time for some Nominating Action (not sure where these might be)

Nominate Texas Justice
Nominate Strawberry

[Oman]

Second Strawberry

A good setup.

Can anyone either quote or link me to "mountainous multiball?"

[Adel]

Can anyone either quote or link me to "mountainous multiball?"

it is taking signups now right here
the setup up is here

* 8 Vanilla Townies
* 2 Members of Mafia Group A
* 2 Members of Mafia Group B

_{um... and I'm the Mod...}

[Oman]

ah thanks for that.


Why multiball? What does that imply?

Also Cross-Kills?

[Iammars]

Why multiball? What does that imply?

It's like monkeyball, but not as cool.

[Adel]

Why multiball? What does that imply?

there is more than one scumgroup. nothing more. it sounds pretty flashy though.

Also Cross-Kills?

none.

[Thok]

Why multiball? What does that imply?

Also Cross-Kills?

Multiball is a bonus you can get on pinball machines; instead of playing with one ball you get (typically) three balls bouncing around.

[Oman]

Yeah...i guess.

I like Adel's explaination: "it sounds pretty flashy though."

[xyzzy]

Wine

3 scum
1 cop
1 doc
1 RB
1 vig
5 town

Power roles do not have any effect if mafia chooses not to kill anyone. No one should receive any notification of this.

[Adel]

Remove the cop and I'll nominate it. If you make the cop a tracker, you should also make one of the goons a mafia roleblocker.