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Aj The Epic
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yes and? Like how does that make you town? Assuming that Z~Cakez is the TvT I think it is scum wouldIn post 3772, Aj The Epic wrote:You're stating the fucking obvious Nero, I said two days ago I didn't care who flipped.GREATLYbenefit from it. If you want a 1v1 why not put up your own life?
I have a few problems with this.In post 3772, Aj The Epic wrote:I don't get why you're implying as much. My issue is it's hard to get an independent read on something when the only shit I hear you spew for 4 days is "oh yeah Titus/MOI is scum".
There are others but you were most defiantly scum reading Titus. Yeah, you can argue that it was weak and that's why it never amounted to anything but I think having a "slight" or "weak" scum read on a buddy is a pretty good way to basically say "I'm so not scum with X because I was scum reading them but it was only slight and that's why I never tried to get them lynched."In post 1963, Aj The Epic wrote:I'm reading her scumfor reasons completely different than yours, which is one of the main reasons.
This post also makes it look very much like you are still slightly scumreading Titus so my question remains, what did Titus/MOI do to get your read of said slot downgraded to null? And why null and not town?In post 2342, Aj The Epic wrote:Are you really that confident about Titus?
Like zefiend has been... slightly more high key about his alignment with his flailing.
So I've been town reading her slot since late d1/early d2, I don't think that should have anything to do with your ability to read her (Titus).
I also feel like my Titus read is FAR FAR FAR more fleshed out then your generic buzzword "case" on Z.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I admit that I don't have much of a defense against MOI's "case" but then that's the point isn't it?
but there was....
Why would MOI lie like that?In post 3741, Nero Cain wrote:
This is also sorta kinda false. Like I was defiantlyIn post 3734, MagnaofIllusion wrote:@Nero - why did you do everything in your power to defend Pine and attack those wanting to lynch him Day 1 and Day 2?NOTpushing Kling and my AJ pushNOWcan't be used as a "Nero was pushing against everyone that was pushing Pine"
I'm curious, how are you null reading him if you believe he's found and is pushing two scum.
Also what do you think of him stating that one of you or TWIE was scum on the Thinker wagon?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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So I just wanted to make a quick announcement on something.
If you all notice you have in your PMs flavor, for example in Sample VT theres something on Wedget Antilles being "Red Three", this was a little extra to give all characters more individuality. Most of the call-signs in the game were purely created by myself. They are not alignment indicative in anyway. Some players may have repeats in them.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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@AJhow is Z having the same reads as me a scumtell but MOI having the same reads as you a null tell?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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do you? what about them?In post 3775, Aj The Epic wrote:3725
I like the arguments against Nero and felt that Nero not addressing more of it was sad.
i think they're a loose collection of things that are supposed to be "incriminating" but don't really make a good cohesive narrative. is the point that nero was making a concerted effort to sabotage the pine wagon? bc i'm not really buying into that. the "chainsawing" we're supposed to assume here looks a lot more like an artifact of nero tunneling mastin.-
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Seems like a really dumb reason to claim. And in my opinion, it is most certainly not possible for yours and BBmolla's claimed roles to both be town, unless scum has some gigantic ability.In post 3760, Aj The Epic wrote:
Part of my claim was to ask the rogue crew if knowing their power, Molla made sense with his claim and mine both in the game. Why I didn't pursue that is mostly because most of the rogue crew figured it was possible for Molla's role to exist in conjunction to mine and even DP's.In post 3747, Nero Cain wrote:but lets talk more about 1v1s. You claimed b/c you don't think that your and Mollas role can't exist together. Why did you never go after him?
Actually, things get a lot easier to PoE in mylo/lylo. Saying I didn't give explanation for PoE is a lie, I explained it to Heartless. "Other townies" referred to cakez and Nero. Nero isn't a town-read of Nero, he's just himself. So I'm not really copping out by piggybacking on Nero's points and I'm certainly not just mirroring him. We arrived at our Titus-slot read in entirely different ways.AJ wrote:As for Zefiend, his reads are so incredibly generic and for someone who is a technical veteran, he's felt maybe more lost than me. That's really not supposed to be possible, I am one of, if not THE, worst large player on site considering experience.
So when I see this:
Bullshit. This is appeasement, no one should ever have the exact same reads and even town who gets wagoned is going to understand they've got to do a better analysis being town than "yeah they voted me". "And other townies" is used in his post, but in fact he doesn't do anything different from you for town reads: POE. PoE is a FUCKING COP OUT. Say it with me. That is the scum 101 way to have another lynch after the winds change.In post 3701, ɀefiend wrote:No need to convince me of anything, really. The dispersion of powers and claims makes me fairly confident about my guess that one of AJ/BB is scum. And with mastina's constant pushing on BB, it's pretty obvious who I think it is. AJ and MOI have actively engaged in vote-parking on me because I was a fairly attackable mislynch when heartless and Infinity were pressuring me hard. It's probably no coincidence that mastina constantly calls me (and other townies) scum, but avoids wagons at all costs.
mastina + MOI + AJ is where I'm at right now.
VOTE: MOI
Those were two Days ago. And two of those people are dead. It's not rocket science that my reads would change to include two new people.AJ wrote:Oh and speaking of winds changing....
Wow indeed. Unperturbed by his complete whiffs, he develops two new reads to replace the ones that died.In post 2361, ɀefiend wrote:The feeling when {Infinity, SirCakez, mastina} are unironically the scumteam. Wow.
Oh and...?
Again with old stuff. "Assuming" these 3 man teams at that point of the game was given my current interpretation of the game-state. Infinity eventually talked himself down about scumreading me and you have slowly been pushing out BBMolla for the last scum contender.AJ wrote:Oh no! BBMolla was magically dropped from the scum reads in his nonsense 3 man scum assumptions. Which btw is funny because how the fuck does he keep assuming three?
Really?AJ wrote:Then this:
Just ignores that I scumread Cakez most of day 1 and was really unimpressed with both aero and zefiend's play on that slot. Zefiend and Aero both only ever had super uncontroversial reads and never pushed the boundaries for anything more than that. And there was zero unique things about those reads, just "Hey I think they're town for reasons town has openly stated they're town for".In post 3743, ɀefiend wrote:
Says the guy who had equal nonchalance in wagoning both of us...In post 3742, Aj The Epic wrote:Well you've been roughly adamant that it was a double town wagon between cakez and Zefiend, which i'm fairly certain isn't true.
There's actually a solid lack of townreading ANYONE in Zefiend's iso.
Townreading Titus? Totally uncontroversial.
Scumreading Infinity? Totally uncontroversial.
Reconsidering my mastina read? Totally uncontroversial.
On the contrary, many of my reads and actionshavebeen controversial, which is why I'm constantly at threat of being mislynched by scum.
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Why other than being sore that I called you useless?In post 3759, TheWayItEnds wrote:but im also re-taking a look at neroIn post 3516, TheWayItEnds wrote:
ew.In post 3509, Nero Cain wrote:hehe. That rage is so fake. I'm obviously not accusing Mastina of lieing about the lifeguard cert, what I am accusing her of it that the timing of going V/La is fucking convenient. Like, I'm assuming that this wasn't a last minute thing so presumably Mastin knew about it before hand so why not say anything about it till the night before?In post 3518, TheWayItEnds wrote:"mastin is scumreading me but its suspicious because why wouldnt she tell us she was going to be busy during what she thought was night time?"In post 3609, TheWayItEnds wrote:wanna recheck that claim there nero?In post 3614, TheWayItEnds wrote:
?In post 3550, Firebringer wrote:Drunken Piper died Last Night!
Welcome! You areBodhi Rook, Rogue Four ,.Jack of all TradesYou are aligned with the.Rebel Alliance
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lol thoughIn post 3778, Firebringer wrote:So I just wanted to make a quick announcement on something.
If you all notice you have in your PMs flavor, for example in Sample VT theres something on Wedget Antilles being "Red Three", this was a little extra to give all characters more individuality. Most of the call-signs in the game were purely created by myself. They are not alignment indicative in anyway. Some players may have repeats in them.As the last rays of sunlight fade, one killer chases another through the tangled madness of the city.
A flash of steel announces the presence of his quarry.
The stage is set.
The night explodes.-
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oh wow i am not as confident in my mastin read as i was...
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Aj The Epic Mafia Scum
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Nero was already heavily focused on Titus either D1 or D2 so I don't think he's limited in tunneling this game. Whether unlucky for nero or as a teammate, I thought it was a valid point that Nero had actively been against the Pine lynch at times where it was possible to stop the wagon. I do understand there are some overlap issues between mastina actually being a MOI townread and Mastina being used as town to advance MOI's push. However, I want to focus this post because I thought Nero should've responded to it in some meaningful way where he didn't really acknowledge the points at all.In post 3780, Heartless wrote:
do you? what about them?In post 3775, Aj The Epic wrote:3725
I like the arguments against Nero and felt that Nero not addressing more of it was sad.
i think they're a loose collection of things that are supposed to be "incriminating" but don't really make a good cohesive narrative. is the point that nero was making a concerted effort to sabotage the pine wagon? bc i'm not really buying into that. the "chainsawing" we're supposed to assume here looks a lot more like an artifact of nero tunneling mastin.
MOI doesn't have the same reads as me. I'm scumreading Zifiend and trying to decide if I believe you or MOI more.In post 3779, Nero Cain wrote:@AJhow is Z having the same reads as me a scumtell but MOI having the same reads as you a null tell?-
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So today is dragging out and I basically have little care at this point. If you are going to push through an obviously scum driven mislynch and lose the game go ahead and do so. This serves as my pre-emptive “I told you so” to Town (basically Heartless) on my wagon.
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What sort of junk question is this? You are asking what sort of narrative it is for scum Nero to spend two days attacking players for voting Pine as scum? I mean – defending your partner is just as much Mafia 101 as is bussing. You aren’t a Newb … stop asking questions like one.In post 3757, Heartless wrote:^what's the narrative w this?
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Translation – scum never defend their buddies hard like I did with Pine and am doing with Zefiend …In post 3770, Nero Cain wrote:TTH, you know that scum pushing their buddy is a solid scum tactic and happens rather often right?
I don't really think that her reasons she has given really make me think that that's not an impossibility.
Yeah speaking of outright lies ... this is it in a nutshell.In post 3777, Nero Cain wrote:Why would MOI lie like that?
My large catchup posts capture the many, many times you chainsawed for Pine Day 1 and 2. Of course you take the scum route and just say “Lie Lie Lie” but it is working for you so I guess good job?"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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b/c you weren't a threat until you whittled your list down to Mastin/Titus.In post 3788, Drunken Piper wrote:oooooohhhh ghost talk..
better question is why they left an investigative role alive so long.....they didnt deem me a threat. why
ooohhhhh ghost talk ended.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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@AJIn post 3776, Nero Cain wrote:what did Titus/MOI do to get your read of said slot downgraded to null? And why null and not town?In post 3777, Nero Cain wrote:I'm curious, how are you null reading him if you believe he's found and is pushing two scum.
Also what do you think of him stating that one of you or TWIE was scum on the Thinker wagon?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Just to piggyback on this but I agree that a full JK and Mollas role wouldn't be able to coexist, I said as much earlier. My biggest problem is that if he was town and he thought that Molla and his role couldn't exist he'd want Molla's bloodIn post 3781, ɀefiend wrote:And in my opinion, it is most certainly not possible for yours and BBmolla's claimed roles to both be town, unless scum has some gigantic ability.FIRST. Asking the RC shows hesitation and I think that's more likely to come from scum. But of course his own self meta is that he's bad day 1 and bad at larges and that's p to me.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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The good news is: mostly recovered!
The bad news is: not fully recovered!
The worse news is: even if I was, some family thing came up and I wouldn't be available until late tomorrow anyway!
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Aj The Epic Mafia Scum
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Like I said, I'm trying to figure out if it's you or MOI that's scum. I think one of the two of you are.In post 3794, Nero Cain wrote:@AJIn post 3776, Nero Cain wrote:what did Titus/MOI do to get your read of said slot downgraded to null? And why null and not town?In post 3777, Nero Cain wrote:I'm curious, how are you null reading him if you believe he's found and is pushing two scum.
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Your AtE doesn't move me.In post 3792, MagnaofIllusion wrote:So today is dragging out and I basically have little care at this point. If you are going to push through an obviously scum driven mislynch and lose the game go ahead and do so. This serves as my pre-emptive “I told you so” to Town (basically Heartless) on my wagon.
As far as I can tell, Nero is the only one townreading zefiend and we're the only person voting you that you're townreading. Hardly the situation to resign yourself to a lynch.
The sort junky people like us ask.In post 3792, MagnaofIllusion wrote:What sort of junk question is this?
Your story is that Nero "chainsawed" for Pine, but I don't think there's much evidence to sustain it. Nero didn't badger Anti, Klingon, or Infinity for voting Pine. He never called Pine town. The reason he gave for quoting mastina's Pine vote and called it "scum" was that mastina was scumreading Cakez, Nero's scumread at the time, but voting elsewhere. The narrative that makes the most sense to us here is that Nero was scumreading mastin and that was the dominant factor to his Day 1 pushes, not a defense of Pine. The fact mastina was scumreading Pine seems coincidental.-
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yeah what could that possibly be...?In post 3781, ɀefiend wrote:Seems like a really dumb reason to claim. And in my opinion, it is most certainly not possible for yours and BBmolla's claimed roles to both be town, unless scum has some gigantic ability.
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