Mini 1877: Spyro the Dragon (Game Over)

[RagingSpammers]

A global voyeur just to catch a fakeclaim is so situational it just seems pointless to me to include it in the town for that reason alone.
-Ali

[Infinity 324]

That's the only reason town would need it but it's a good reason. I don't think it's situational, I think it's somewhat likely scum would have to make up a role and get caught with it.

Even if scum could get their own track results, it would still be hard to use the global voyeur since you wouldn't be able to connect the track result to the power role.

[Infinity 324]

Also a lot of town's roles are weak (for example yours) so...

[RagingSpammers]

It still really just doesn't make sense to me why it's town aligned. I see it being way more likely to be scum aligned.
Also you have to remember it was conditional, the condition being Spyro had to still be alive.
Why does town global voyuer need to have that condition on it?
-Ali

[Infinity 324]

Because the mod thought that was necessary to balance the role...

If it happened every night that would force scum to do exactly what their fakeclaim was every night or be lynched, I think that's super powerful.

[Infinity 324]

To balance the game*

[RagingSpammers]

If Scum was caught fakeclaimed they get lynched!
They're dealt with! Done! They die!
The conditional here makes more sense for scum because it makes scum think twice if they want to kill THE FUCKING VIG.

In TBD Mafia I was a Watcher and when we massclaimed I claimed and I got instantly lynched that day.
For some reason people think watcher claims are fake.
I really do not think that's the case here.
-Ali

[Infinity 324]

Scum aren't going to be caught fakeclaiming necessarily without the global voyeur...

I don't think watcher claims are fake. I also don't think scum have 2 strongmen

[massive]

@massive Just because flubber' sorry makes sense doesn't mean he's town...his play makes just as much sense as scum watcher.

Incorrect. Scum-Flubber has no reason to watch Lane 2 nights in a row.
Also, why does scum-Flubber watch Lane N1 knowing that Cakez is going to visit him?

For some reason people think watcher claims are fake.
I really do not think that's the case here.

It's not. Flubber correctly identified my target N2.

[Infinity 324]

Incorrect. Scum-Flubber has no reason to watch Lane 2 nights in a row.
Also, why does scum-Flubber watch Lane N1 knowing that Cakez is going to visit him?

Fair enough, but I feel like he'd do that to get towncred and find protectives. In a role madness he needs to have s believable fakeclaim.

[massive]

If we're not lynching flubber, we should be lynching in aella and me today because it's very unlikely town has odd- and even-night rbs, conditional BP, doc giver, and commuter

Remind me again of your night choices?

[Infinity 324]

No one on n1

Spammers on n3

And yes I am scum by my own setup spec but -_-

[Infinity 324]

Tbf no matter what this game has much more than a usual amount of protectives and much more than a usual amount of investigatives

[RagingSpammers]

Massive what do you think of my theory?
-Ali

[massive]

I'm just saying -- if you want to critique Flubber because he needs to have a "believable role claim" -- yours is objectively worse. I only point this out because it's unlikely you'll get me to vote Flubber, especially based on this.

Massive what do you think of my theory?
-Ali

I assume you're talking about the "global voyeur is useful for scum" theory? I think it has holes which it feels like we've mostly gone over (starting with "you can't necessarily pair it with tracker results since scum won't automatically have access to it") and I think the role itself is NAI. Role Madness games always seem to have roles that are just "there" so everyone has a role without it impacting the game too much -- fruit vendor, etc. RC's messenger. I think the global voyeur isn't necessarily helpful to either side; if anything, it might be negative utility if it's scum simply because I likely come up as "miscellaneous" even though it's probably critical for scum to kill me.

I also think it's probably important to note that Leonshade confirmed that Flubber used the doc shot I gave him N2, since that's probably the only "protective" ability in the game. That might be an important thing that I haven't thought completely through.

[Infinity 324]

The fact that I not going to convince anyone of anything is making me unmotivated to do gamesolving

When spammers flips town, don't say I didn't tell you.

[massive]

In order for Spammers to be town, YOU have to be scum. I don't seehow Flubber or Leon are scum. Convince me?

[Infinity 324]

Flubber "making sense" is not a good enough reason to townread him I guess. I don't have anything stronger than that and the 2 strongmen thing, I just feel like spammers have been obvtown by play.

[Infinity 324]

But if there's a chance I'll convince you, I'll re-ISO people.

[massive]

At this point in time it seems we ALL agree that Not_Mafia is, at the very least, uh, NOT Not Mafia. Consensus lynch?

[Infinity 324]

Leon doesn't agree

[RagingSpammers]

Massive I approve the motion.
VOTE: Not_mafia
-Ali

[TellTaleHeart]

I can imagine a scenario where cakez could justify giving it to a scumbuddy

There you go!
Cakez can do it.
And it could be justified.
Done.

BTW

@MOD if it wasn't clear, the Alisae head would take over

-Ali

Yes.
Alisae replaces RagingSpammers.

[Alisae]

Thanks TTH

Also Inf, Leon doesn't HAVE to agree to it.
He's NM's scumbuddy.

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: n_m whatever