Mini 1877: Spyro the Dragon (Game Over)

[Infinity 324]

And this is enough to drop your scumread on me completely??

ffs ali. If you're town calm down, do some rereading, and come to a conclusion.

Yes.
And bruh this is litterally textbook Ali catching scum late game.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69849
Like I did in here.
-Ali

Ok fine. Town needs the global part to catch people who are fakeclaiming. Scum!n_m targeted leon because he didn't want to clear anyone that was a top suspect.

WHY IS FLUBBER TOWN

[Infinity 324]

Also, we're going to no lynch eventually so we might as well do it now...

I really don't see why we should when Massive is just going to die and we're going to get no infromation from massive's death.
I also don't see why when we can just lynch scum today and win, but hey, that's just my opinion.
-Ali

It doesn't. Matter. Whether. We. No lynch. Today or later on.

Also we don't win if we lynch scum today -_-

We win if we lynch both scum.
This is what I mean, you know this inf.
Now you're just argueing semantics.
-Ali

Scum have to NK 2 people before lylo. Currently, everyone in the game except massive is suspected by someone. It will give us info and it will give us another roleblock which also gives info even if I'm scum. But as long as you agree we no lynch eventually, it doesn't matter...

[RagingSpammers]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=69420
In this game I recklessly selfvoted to try to bait scum!Kain Tepes into blitzing me AND I caught him but Trans sided against me for some reason, resulting in a scum win.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69936
In this game I make a lot of wording mistakes and things that just seem like scumslips but aren't. I also go wild on paranoia here.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=70216
In this game I recklessly help trans get blitz but take it back in time to catch the scumteam, and still get sided against me for some reason, resulting in a scum win.

I'm reckless and I don't care about my word choices and I don't care about playing safely, I live life on the edge and go fast based on impulse and instict.
I'm right when it comes to this late game stuff.
So can we fucking lynch 2 scum in a row ffs.
-Ali

[Infinity 324]

This is irrevelant. No lynch is objectively the correct play in mylo and I don't even believe that you're 100% town at this point.

[RagingSpammers]

And this is enough to drop your scumread on me completely??

ffs ali. If you're town calm down, do some rereading, and come to a conclusion.

Yes.
And bruh this is litterally textbook Ali catching scum late game.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69849
Like I did in here.
-Ali

Ok fine. Town needs the global part to catch people who are fakeclaiming. Scum!n_m targeted leon because he didn't want to clear anyone that was a top suspect.

WHY IS FLUBBER TOWN

For role madness it makes sense that Flub's is a town watcher because Massive gives docs to people, and there will be a lot of people doing stuff.
It would be hard for a watcher to know exactly who was the night kill. I think I can come up with a reason why Flub was hiding his 2nd result. Point is I see the watcher being moreso town then scum. A scum!Watcher would be shit when it comes to power against town. It would make the set up way to townsided. The Global Voyaer (I can't spell) is given to scum to attempt to fight the watcher.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Fine.
I'll no lynch.
VOTE: No Lynch
but if I get nightkilled because my reads were right, you better sheep them to no end.
And I swear to god if scum Leon and NM win because of this, I won't be a happy Ali.
Massive is gonna get NKed anyways.
/me pouts.
-Ali

[Infinity 324]

Well a scum watcher is not that weak and I think town not having watcher is enough of a nerf to town. Also I think global voyeur is more useful to town than scum because it doesn't help scum who to kill, where town can use it to find fakeclaims.

PEdit: you won't be NKed lol

[Infinity 324]

Ali don't feel like I'm not listening to you. I am and I'm trying to see your side.

[RagingSpammers]

Inf the global voyeur is so that scum know what they are up against. With a Watcher they don't exactly know what they are up against.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Let's also remember that scum had a tracker as well Inf.
The voyeur is so that scum can know what they are up against, what to attempt to look for, and once they know what they're looking for and what the town has, they use the tracker to try to manipulate things.
-Ali

[Infinity 324]

But with watcher they know

who

the problem is, which is more important since they can kill the power roles they find. Whereas the knowledge from global voyeur doesn't help them directly.

Scum didn't have a tracker, they had an amnesiac tracker which sends results to probably town and is mainly useful for fakeclaiming purposes.

[Infinity 324]

I just don't see how "knowing what they're up against" actually helps scum win the game. What would they

do

with that knowledge to advance their wincon? Maybe give an example?

[RagingSpammers]

Yes, you're right. A watcher knows who, but they don't know what PR specificly
Voyeur also knows what PRs, but doesn't know who they are.

Also, please don't give me that. Cakez could have easily decided to track scum, and/or send the results to one of their scumbuddies. If anything, the Tracker helps figure out the "who" part more then a Watcher. A Watcher AND an ammnesiac tracker on the same team just really does not make any sense at all to me.
The tracker helps find the Who.

Not to mention the Watcher doesn't tell scum the what part. It just tells them the who.

I really do think the amnesiac tracker and a watcher on the same team is just really unlikely.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Also a watcher for town can atleast catch scum.
A voyeur for town can't catch scum.
-Ali

[Infinity 324]

I really do think the amnesiac tracker and a watcher on the same team is just really unlikely.

And I really think that 2 strongmen on the same team is unlikely.

Cakez's fakeclaim was amnesiac tracker, so when he claimed he would

have

to have sent his results to towny targets. This is role madness, so VT claim isn't an option. Sending the results so scumbuddies would be a death sentence later, so amnesiac tracker is more like a fruit vendor than a legit tracker.

I just don't get why the "what" is useful if you don't have the "who"

[RagingSpammers]

With a Tracker you get a who
With a Voyeur you get a what.

With a Tracker you get a who
With a Watcher you get more whos.

Also Leon has been pretty towny so far. I mean, he's at mylo. So if Cakez did send a result to Leon, and Leon were to be flipped earlier, Cakez could just use "I thought he was towny" as a scapegoat. Is there something wrong with my thought process here or what?
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Town - RS, eager

Nulltown - Leon

, infinity, lane (I'm disregarding the IC claim for this read since it's unconfirmed and could be trolling, if it's legit then he's top town obv)

This is Cakez's stance on Leon by the end of the day 1 for clearification.
-Ali

[Infinity 324]

With a Tracker you get a who
With a Voyeur you get a what.

With a Tracker you get a who
With a Watcher you get more whos.

Also Leon has been pretty towny so far. I mean, he's at mylo. So if Cakez did send a result to Leon, and Leon were to be flipped earlier, Cakez could just use "I thought he was towny" as a scapegoat. Is there something wrong with my thought process here or what?
-Ali

Well leon wasn't towny when cakez was alive. I guess the issue is that unless scum is "obvious town", it'd be suspicious to not target the IC or doc giver or vig.

[RagingSpammers]

Well leon wasn't towny when cakez was alive. I guess the issue is that unless scum is "obvious town", it'd be suspicious to not target the IC or doc giver or vig.

I see your point here.
But let's put this set up in a world where Lane didn't reveal himself for no reason. Or just didn't reveal himself period D1.
Would you be suspicious if Cakez gave the result to Leon in this situation?
Also how was Cakez even supposed to know that massive was the doc giver D1?
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Also I litterally don't think Cloudie will shed a tear if I do this so I'ma just do it.

@MOD may I split the hydra?

-Ali

[Infinity 324]

Well leon wasn't towny when cakez was alive. I guess the issue is that unless scum is "obvious town", it'd be suspicious to not target the IC or doc giver or vig.

I see your point here.
But let's put this set up in a world where Lane didn't reveal himself for no reason. Or just didn't reveal himself period D1.
Would you be suspicious if Cakez gave the result to Leon in this situation?
Also how was Cakez even supposed to know that massive was the doc giver D1?
-Ali

I'd be suspicious if he didn't give it to his top townread. I can imagine a scenario where cakez could justify giving it to a scumbuddy, but most of the time I think he'd have to give it to town. Especially when the other scum flipped, it'd look bad on cakez.

But in this case lane confirmed cakez gave the result to him.

[RagingSpammers]

I can imagine a scenario where cakez could justify giving it to a scumbuddy

There you go!
Cakez can do it.
And it could be justified.
Done.

BTW

@MOD if it wasn't clear, the Alisae head would take over

-Ali

[Infinity 324]

But in general I think the amnesiac tracker should be considered more like a fruit vendor than a tracker, again.

[RagingSpammers]

I still feel like it would be harder for scum to connect the dots on whos what.
But catching fakeclaims is a really pointless reason to try to justify the global.
Give me some more reasons on why town would need a global voyeur?
-Ali

[Infinity 324]

Why is it pointless to catch fakeclaims?