Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!

[Rautherdir]

Nancy, I'd add that they could have shot me and roleblocked someone else to try and stop a protective role.

Also, what are the possibilities that we're looking for two scum and a mafia traitor?

[nancy]

Super helpful RC, thanks.

They wouldn't have tried to roleblock a protective role if they believed RC's claim. There wouldn't be a protective and also a BP I don't think? And if they didn't believe the claim and had a roleblocker they would've just killed RC and roleblocked you. Which would align with the NK results. But I find it kind of unlikely.

[nancy]

A little help here, Keyser?

[nancy]

{Rauth, RC} seems very highly unlikely because I just don't see them having a gameplan from this point forward. Like there's no way they NKed last night and came out with a No Result today and are just sitting on their hands hoping to mislynch all of Town without their gambit being exposed. I don't see RC playing this way. So if it's mbg or RC by PoE then mbg is almost certainly scum. So can someone please help me here and tell me if my PoE is correct?

Something unexpected has to have happened last night for the scumteam, or they are just extremely happy with their position and went for the kill on RC because even if the claim is real they'd want to kill the slot soon anyway and a mislynch wasn't going to happen?

[Keyser Söze]

If RC and Rauth are scum they've won, because we'll likely lynch through 4 or 5 VT's before they are touched.


LUV and Akarin need nudges.

I want answers from Matt.

[nancy]

I don't see the gambit working tbh. No responsible Town is going to lynch themselves into oblivion while Rauth continues to come up without reports, and I don't believe RC would gamble the whole game like that on D2. He'd have to basically be hoping that Town paranoia is somehow potent enough for all the mislynches to seem okay and yet never touch him or Rauth.

[Keyser Söze]

Uh, RC is town. There is no way the investigation I got lied, the only way for me not to see alignment correctly is if I am roleblocked or if my target is Ascetic.

What result did you get?

[nancy]

Granted he may not have expected JJD to get lynched so soon, but it's still far fetched and gymnastic-y. I don't see this play coming from RC.

[RadiantCowbells]

Nancy pls talk to me

[Pine]

Akarin has not picked up his prod. While he technically has two hours and change to do so, I have begun the replacement search.

VC incoming.

[Rautherdir]

Uh, RC is town. There is no way the investigation I got lied, the only way for me not to see alignment correctly is if I am roleblocked or if my target is Ascetic.

What result did you get?

N1 targeting RC: Innocent
N2 targeting Fro99er: No result

[nancy]

What about RC?

[nancy]

Another possibility is that mbg IS JK, scum has a strongarm and no RB. They targeted Rauth last night without strongarm because they didn't expect a JK in this setup with Cop, Backup Cop, and BP.

[RadiantCowbells]

idk make me believe you're town. pls.

[nancy]

Dude I'm trying to gamesolve. Help me. If we gamesolve correctly it's irrelevant whether I'm scum or Town because we'll find the scumteam whether that's me or whomever.

[RadiantCowbells]

I am trying to gamesolve. you are capable of pocketing me to the point that I'd rather selfvote than lynch you. get me to that point this game if you're town.

[RadiantCowbells]

like just trust me. I am really good at having really fucking strong townreads on town and you play a lot like someone who I almost never fail to read.

I don't want to be a doublevoter, I want you to explain your shit better and help me underestand you.

[Pine]

==> Vote Count 3.4 <==

With 10 votes in play, it's 6 to lynch!

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[L-6]

Grendel -

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Akarin -

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Rautherdir -

[L-6]

Lil Uzi Vert -

[L-5]

nancy - RadiantCowbells

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Cooperative Sheep - Grendel, mattblackguy

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Keyser Söze -

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Fro99er - Fro99er

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mattblackguy - Lil Uzi Vert, Keyser Söze

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RadiantCowbells -

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No Lynch - Rautherdir

Waiting for their DOOM

- Akarin, Cooperative Sheep, nancy

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2017-03-01 19:45:00)

[mattblackguy]

Or maybe me, RC, and Rauth are all town (ps. this is the correct answer)

@Keyser, End of day 1 you were a townlean for me. I didn't read over your ISO more until after Vifam said you were a strong townread. And when I said you could be scum because you didn't try to counter Gerry wagon by creating a wagon of one of your scumreads (after the Grendel wagon collapsed), it was what I was honestly thinking at the time. I can see scum motivation in saying you don't agree with a lynch on a townie, but not trying to counter it with a different wagon because you don't care if the townie gets lynched. The fact that day 1 ended in 2 days though makes all of this meaningless because I will never know if you would eventually try to start a counter wagon. This is why I didn't push you for this reason, because after I said that I understood the day was too short for this to be a substantive read. I understand why you are saying my read on you was bad, but I don't understand why you keep pushing me on that bad read.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not sure what you want here. convince me you're town and you can be my doublevote the rest of the game. but right now I want to lynch you and you need to change that read.

[nancy]

The doublevoter thing was just me having a meltdown. What do you want/need me to explain? If this is about your reads then that's fine, but I'm pretty directionless right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

I can't give you an answer besides everything and unfortunately most of that comes from before you were in the slot. Why are you so certain of MBG/Sheep? What associatives?

[nancy]

I'm not certain at all of mbg/Sheep anymore, I actually think it's unlikely because it requires bad scum play and I don't like assuming that.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay, then let's change this up. you're the doublevoter. where are we voting and why?

[RadiantCowbells]

I want to see you scumhunt aggressively and I'm sure that I will be able to read you when you do that but I haven't seen enough of that from you. Help me with it.