Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!

[Pine]

You're at L-5, nancy.

[nancy]

Haha thanks Pine.

[nancy]

NOW I FEEL ALL OBSERVED GOOD JOB SENPAI

[Fro99er]

Have you played without anyone else besides RC?

I assume you mean *with*

If so, yes. Jar as I said, and keyser and Uzi

[Fro99er]

So I guess it also makes sense I gravitated toward reading those four pretty quickly

[Fro99er]

Oh and sheep

[nancy]

Honestly the more I look at this the less I can see any scum motivation for Fro99er here *unless* Fro99er's endgame is to not get lynched, and he has basically offered himself up right now. Maybe it's a gambit, maybe it isn't. If scum!Fro99er genuinely expects to get lynched then the stuff with LUV doesn't make sense. If LUV is his scumpartner then he's drawing the most fucking obvious and terrible associative any scumpartner could possibly make. If LUV is Town then he's helping Town by giving another townie obvtown status. The only motivation here that I can find for scum!Fro99er is to NOT get lynched and yet he's repeatedly offered himself up.

My read of the interactions between JJD and Fro99er as scum theater was because JJD's responses to Fro99er were softballed and JJD was never really there, in contrast to JJD's pretty vehement interactions with RC. I took this as indicative of Fro99er being JJD's scumpartner.

pedit hm.

[nancy]

Can someone please help digest the potential scum theater with me?

[nancy]

It starts here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8852708

[Fro99er]

Nancy is town

[Fro99er]

Anyway. Wake me up when someone is lynched

It's MBG and sheep and I'm done with this game until y'all figure it out

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not going to take you at your word when you say someone is town and you shouldn't expect me to.

[nancy]

The issue with that scumteam Fro99er is that it's so obvious and requires scumteam to bad and also in full steam ahead bus mode.

I still think {JJD, Fro99er, Grendel} is a reasonably likely scumteam but I need to work over this a lot more. I have to go so I'm unvoting for now.

UNVOTE:

[Keyser Söze]

I kinda want to just lynch someone I know I'm not bringing to LyLo as an information lynch.

I'd rather NO LYNCH than info-lynch someone I'm not s/reading. We're in a strong position right now, there's no need to let scum force our hand. We wait and read

[Keyser Söze]

Akarin's case on JJD was actually misreppy. What Akarin actually should've been pushing for there was an overly pedantic argument/analysis by JJD typical of scum who are reaching for material that isn't there.

What's your current read of Akarin?

[Keyser Söze]

The alternative is that Keyser is scum if Matt flips town

Do you still stand by this?
I.e If Matt is the

town

jailkeeper does your VCA/analysis say I

must

be scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

Fair enough. I usually get scared as scum when day phases go long.

Fork needs to do more though.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oops wrong game. For this game we do need more content from a few people though. Cooperative Sheep needs to post more, Nancy needs to do more in depth stuff, and I'd like to see more from Akarin and Grendel.

[Keyser Söze]

Transcend's D2 posts (Nancy slot):

Grendel wagon yesterday sucked and it contained {Keyser, matt, Sheep, JarJar, Vifam}

I bet at least 2 scum were here.

Transcend was more transfixed with Grendel's RVS wagon than Gerry's miss-lynch wagon. He states "at least" two scum were on it. JarJar has since flipped scum. (Leaving myself, Matt, Sheep and Frogger's slot).

JarJar's play today, although very aggressive and questionable, feels kinda towny.

I think matt is town as well

{Keyser, Sheep, Vifam} is a safe lynch pool for me today imo.

Transcend goes through D2 t/reading JarJar. He removes JarJar and Matt's name from the wagon above leaving 3 names.

IMO one scum in:
Grendel
Akarin *
Rautherdir
Lil Uzi Vert
RadiantCowbells

And two in:
JarJarDrinks
Cooperative Sheep Soumil07
Keyser Söze
Vifam
mattblackguy

More unsupported 1 in x/2 in x theory.

Now taking out my townreads/leans

1 in:
Akarin
Rautherdir

2 in:
Cooperative Sheep
Keyser Soze
Vifam

Transcend will later call JarJar and RC's argument as TvT.

Jarjar is surely town

Meta question: does scum-Transcend hard t/read his partner?
Transcend has left JarJar out of all his D2 lynch pools.

Matt's a mislynch.

There was growing paranoia on both JarJar and Matt. Transcend (in his usual unsupported one liner style) basically tries to shut down that avenue. Transcend previously said Matt was town.

Transcend was actively fighting against a JarJar and Matt lynch.

Does anyone have playing experience with scum-Transcend. Have you seen him use reverse distancing before? Because this isn't the behaviour I'd normally expect from a scum-team. When I am scum I usually scum-lean a teammate or at least have them in null.

[Keyser Söze]

Cooperative Sheep's Alt disclaimer: "I'm intentionally trying a different playstyle to test it."

I feel this impenetrable-closed playstyle is stopping me from getting a solid/genuine read on you. I feel like you should open up and shout who you think is scum and who is town (RC style)

For some reason, I feel like you haven't communicated who you want lynched and who you want alive clearly/strongly enough.


I no longer think this is a good enough reason for me to t/read you:

Sheep town through controlled protown play, would be hard to lynch.

[Cooperative Sheep]

@Frogger - you have as your lynch pool Matt --> me if Matt flips scum, but Matt --> Keyser if Matt flips town. How does town Matt make me more town?

@Nancy - what goalposts did I move in scumreading you? That's BS.

@Keyser - literally almosthalf the posts I make include me stating my top scumspects, and other players are complaining that I'm vote parking - I think it is super clear who i want lynched at any given moment.

I think we should mass claim, quite frankly. I think this somuch I'm just going to start popcorning, and to hell with anyone who disagrees.

Claim: VT
Popcorn - Nancy

Unless anyone seriously has an issue with this considering the claims on the table, let's lock in.

I understand Frogg's issue with Matt's stated actions, but can see how Matt could do what he said he did as town - it's basically my reason the the abrupt massclaim demand, if we get no other PR claims then I think Matt is actually not a lynch I support today, if we get even one other then I'd vote park him until he was lynched.
I agree with whoever said Nancy felt like she was egging on Frogger/RC - the only thing I've liked about her slot posting is pointing out how the team du jour of me, Matt, Jar requires bad play - this is something I (duh) agree with, but I actually don't think there's a lot of evidence to support the stance, so find it iffy she's advancing it as an idea.
I agree with the case for Akarin town. I wouldn't help that lynch at all. I won't help lynch Frogg, that is dumb. I have my lynch pool as Grendel, LUV, and Nancy in no particular order I can describe.

[Fro99er]

Nancy already claimed VT

[Fro99er]

I won't help lynch Frogg, that is dumb.

Why is lynching me dumb?

[Cooperative Sheep]

Nancy already claimed VT

Then she should have no trouble confirming that claim and popcorning.

I won't help lynch Frogg, that is dumb.

Why is lynching me dumb?

Your concept that your lynch clears anyone is nonsensical in a world where people believe you bussed, if that was a bus, then who is going to legit claim that your other interactions are anything but scum theatre? Hence - it is dumb if you're town, because it clears nothing. If you claim scum I'll agree your lynch is a good idea.

[Grendel]

I agree with whoever said Nancy felt like she was egging on Frogger/RC
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I have my lynch pool as Grendel, LUV, and Nancy in no particular order I can describe.

@Nancy

The way you keep bouncing between sheeping RC, and Fo99er is gross too. Their at odds with each other, and moving to support one then the other is stretching the contentions between them.

So part of the reason you're scum reading nancy is based off a something your scum read said. The same one you've been scum reading since your opening post this game?

Something tells me that you intentionally "forget" it was me who said that.