Micro 680: Matrix6 No Reveal (Game Over!?)

[Aristophanes]

First!?

VOTE: Transcend

[Aristophanes]

Dammit I wanted to be first.

Sorry Shannon!

You snooze you lose! XD

[Aristophanes]

It would seem so. I'm about to have a Big Snooze (it's almost bed time), I'll see you all in the AM.

Bedtime??

I'm up for (and now at) work!
You and your crazy timezone.

[Aristophanes]

alisae why aren't you spamming posts i thought that's what you normally do? or is that just in larges

THIS MAN HAD LIKE 300 POSTS IN DAY 1 OF OUR ONE GAME

What was his alignment? And were they content spam or offtopic spam?
What relevance does it have to this game??

idk i thought it was just your thing...

COMPLETELY off topic but i'm getting a new phone soon cause my phone is busted should i get galaxy s7 or iphone 7 thx <3

Obviously Galaxy s7.
I'm probably getting one very soon myself actually!

However,
VOTE: Echo
for promoting spam.

[Aristophanes]

alisae why aren't you spamming posts i thought that's what you normally do? or is that just in larges

THIS MAN HAD LIKE 300 POSTS IN DAY 1 OF OUR ONE GAME

This is my experience of Alisae too.

OMGAWD THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE PLAYING WITH MYSELF AS WELL!

We don't need to hear about your special alone time

Nice one! XD

[Aristophanes]

2. The Hamster was scummy

21

Indeed, clearly over analyzing way too early in the game.

[Aristophanes]

Hammy, are you new to the site?
Are you new to Mafia in general?

[Aristophanes]

Their join date:
Joined: January 25, 2017

So what

The post was bad

Why are you defending this slot

Dammit, you beat me to this! I was gonna wait for a Hamswer first.

[Aristophanes]

What

I think the quotes were a mistake (love the Q+ system...) and that it was a response to this

The L-2 is one thing Alisae

The wall of bullshit to candy coat his vote is another.

Do you not scum read the content from it?

[Aristophanes]

don't mind the quotes, I had the multiquoted for some reason from like an hour ago.

Either way you're asking me to take the content out of context, like from the person who's writing it.
Is it sus? Yes.
Could it be coming from town? Yes.
Could it be coming from scum? Yes.

I don't see why that post is coming from scum.

pedit the quotes were just a mistake.

So, which do you think it is coming from, with context, and then without context?

[Aristophanes]

with context town without context scumlean

Cool, I like you.

What other reads have you got so far?
Do you actually Scumread Transcend? What do you think of the Shannon wagon?

[Aristophanes]

You're probably town. And a scumlean on Echo for promoting me to spam cuz I feel like he wanted to hide in that stuff.
For now I do SR Trans. I don't like how he derailed it.
As for the Shannon wagon I think it's probably on scum!Shannon mostly because of the wagon getting derailed for L-1 to all over the place but I wanna pay attention to who's the counter wagon too.
Plus Ari, I'm sure you remember the Fire and Ice game that we recently finished. Don't chu?

Cool. I agree on Echo. A bit torn on Shannon, but Trans doesn't honestly read like scum. Sure he derailed the wagon, but he's trying to advance the game, not hinder it right now.

[Aristophanes]

Oh.

@Frozen
Please excuse the talk of current games in 79!
It doesn't look like anything serious.

@Echo, please omit any talk of ongoings. Treat them like they aren't in existence.
It's a pretty big rule here.
No harm done though.

[Aristophanes]

Plus Ari, I'm sure you remember the Fire and Ice game that we recently finished. Don't chu?

Oh, thought I responded.
Of course! That was a blast! XD

What's the relevance?

[Aristophanes]

Well it's RVS.
Either way I'm probably going to look back to the Shannon wagon in the future before Realeo comes back and shoots me.

Lmao sounds good

[Aristophanes]

pedit: thought it was like meta and stuff from those games... didn't think that something as little as a post count really mattered. sorry though!

I mean, it's kinda meta in a sense. mentioning a game is going on or that you were caught up in something or w/e is cool. But anything that implies meta, alignment, etc could potentially put a game in jeopardy and so we try to keep it to a minimum.

I think Frozen linked the big ruleset about it in the OP.

[Aristophanes]

seems like you're counter claiming yourself...

"could it be coming from scum? yes"
"I don't see why its coming from scum"

That's why I asked for clarification.

[Aristophanes]

Why do you care?

cause he's my fucking scum buddy obviously...

sorry, is it a scum tell to ask why someone hasn't posted?

Actually possible. I've seen exactly this before.

Usually only when scum don't have Daytalk tho.

[Aristophanes]

Oh

I always just assume they do.

Transcend, why are you townreading Echo and PP?

[Aristophanes]

I could buy PP, but I see little in Echo's tone to imply they are towny.

[Aristophanes]

I have network connection issues

Not top but close enough

Sorry Frozen!! <3

[Aristophanes]

Also another thing that concerns me is that Echo was more worried about PP and not Dont_Vote_me

Oh yeah!
I has a thought at the time as to why that was, but Echo never stated it.

I'm not going to say it now in case they do, but if not I will be relentless here!

[Aristophanes]

The Law of Inverse Alignment states that if PenguinPower is town, then karnos is scum. Thusly, if karnos is town, then PenguinPower is scum.

This has only ever been disproven twice on this site, and very recently. But - I can usually read karnos well given we both come from the same HS.

Lol I have one of those with Shaddowez! Has yet to be disproven.

I really like the Echo vote better though. He has shown himself to be scummy.

[Aristophanes]

I see that I have collected a nice wagon while lurking.

Indeed, I don't really get why.

What are your thoughts on all of this?

Specifically Penguin and Echo are of interest to me atm.

[Aristophanes]

This setup is really annoying though because now scum could come along and hammer and we wouldn't even get the information of a usual flip. I think it's too soon to end the day.

UNVOTE:

Why not goad scum to hammer by keeping the L-1?

And what then is your read on Alisae? I can only assume town or you wouldn't worry about a scum quickhammer, but you were voting him, meaning you scumread him.

Which is it?

[Aristophanes]

He wants to help me bus.
Cool.

Did you actually just claim scum here!?

I don't think you've been bad by play, but geez! What am I supposed to think here.

[Aristophanes]

Ari I was trying to convey that PP was bussing but when I posted it phrasing was bad.

Acceptable actually, I totally misphrase things all the time!

Alisae, I really don't think you're scum. Who do you think has the worst (by that I mean scummiest) push against you and why? I could totally see scum capitalizing on this wagon.

[Aristophanes]

here's the hammer

VOTE: Alisae

and everyone was fooled by he fake hammer right after the VC was posted.

[Aristophanes]

Either way you legitmately jumped at every wagon at every chance you got.

Exactly why Echo is scum.


How is he getting away with this!

[Aristophanes]

Well, can we rectify this!?

[Aristophanes]

Can do!

VOTE: Echo

That's prolly a fakehammer or somethinf

[Aristophanes]

OMG reaction test !

[Aristophanes]

Dayvig: Aristophanes

Such Dayvig

Much wow

[Aristophanes]

Dayvig: Aristophanes

Such Dayvig

Much wow

Better Dayvigs
Better Flips
Papa Johns

Not Pizza Hut?

I don't think we have Papa Johns in Canada

[Aristophanes]

Such Mafiascum
Much dayvig
Very scum

[Aristophanes]

It happens Frozen, don't worry!

In any case,
UNVOTE:

I'll reconsider this later, but lynching a claimed BP is a waste.

[Aristophanes]

Echo, why aren't you voting me right now? I think you are either scum fake-claiming, or you are town with a terrible read on this game. You started attacking me based on two false pieces of information: 1) That I was voting you, and 2) That I had previously put Shannon at L-1. Even after this information was corrected you continue to push me as scum, yet you haven't moved your vote off of Alisae (unless the vote count is wrong again). Go re-read Karno's posts and tell me how he could possibly be town.

Do you scumread both of them?

What do you make of Echo's claim?

[Aristophanes]

1. If anyone thought it was my birthday, it's not.

2. Hi

3. Echo still feels like a mislynch

4. Not sure if karnos is bad town or bad scum

5. I like cookies and milk.

Not his birthday.
Has Karnos on his Naughty list.
Likes milk and cookies.

Transcend confirmed as Santa Clause!!!

[Aristophanes]

aris I'm gonna need you to answer this question for me to read you, do you like oreos?

Who doesn't like Oreos!?

However, I like to open them, take out the icing, dip just the cookie parts, eat them, then eat the icing after.

Gotta taste all that sugary, fatty goodness! XD

[Aristophanes]

What do you make of Echo's claim?

I said he is either fake-claiming scum or just town with terrible reads. Once everybody else posts reactions to his claim we should have a better idea. Also your question looks like an effort to determine whether or not I might be a PR that can confirm his claim.

Ah, my bad. Why do you need everyone to react first before you can sort anything? I Mean, BTD isn't even here!

And Lol no. I want an opinion. I want analysis. Just like you want to see everyone react! I could argue that you are waiting for a PR slip in that you want reactions to the claim if that's really how you see things.

Do you scumread both of them?

Who are "both"?

Karnos and Echo.

[Aristophanes]

I guarantee he won't flip anything...

Except a table maybe

[Aristophanes]

Transcend wagon is good, this resistance implies we hit the scum jackpot.

Or it just shows that people think he's town? Can you explain why you think resistance = scum jackpot?

I mean, there was little resistance to his wagon, and I assume he thinks he's town. So that right there should obviously skew his view here.

[Aristophanes]

Penguin, Aristo, neither of you are voting. What's the go as far as you see it?

Let's see...I'm not voting Echo today, as a BG would be a waste of a lynch if he is in fact one. However, it could lead to him being alive late in the game ang going "Well yeah, my claim!" If this happens, he should be killed at that point because it's a very possible scum fakeclaim to explain prolonged life.

The Hamster I an leaning scum on, but I want to reexamine the slot because she is an odd one to read. Sure, she's new here, but she's clearly not new to Mafia. I am getting some Alt vibes, but it is possible she just has experience Irl and read some games first as she claimed. If this is the case though, she shouldn't be treated as a newbie and that pushes her actions into the Scum lean for me.

I stand by my earlier reads of Alisae and Transcend I don't see any scum motivation in Transcend, and Alisae is town. I'm trusting my gut this time.

BTD is probably the worst of the bunch. In his posts, he has obviously read the game, but his reactions to it are simply to push a Transcend vote. Not interact, not comment on anyone else, but to push Transcend. His attacks are weak and his wording weaker. He's nitpicking things that are explained away as simply as "my read changed over time with interactions." He is very likely to be scum.

VOTE: BTD

[Aristophanes]

You have got to be the shiftiest Mod around!

Edited to have the emote show

[Aristophanes]

(Please edit that to have the emote show. I'm a dummy.)

[Aristophanes]

Can you explain the scummy intent here? I saw that Transcend's reads swung too much, from being almost certain about Alisae to rapidly being much weaker. I thought that in that case all of his reads were actually weak rather than strong. Why am I very likely to be scum?

What is your read on literally anyone but Transcend?
This is such an activelurking scum stance to take. Read the thread, find one inconsistency, and focus solely on it. That lets you blend in with little content or associatives while still looking like you have a case and not being technically incorrect.

Transcend obviously overstated his read, as many do. It's not even close to unheard of.

[Aristophanes]

Aristo (because I haven't seen anything at all worth voting)

You're scum for this one read.
This read is legitmately saying "I haven't found an excuse to jump on them yet."
You're not looking for scum, you're looking for people to jump on.

Yeah, that is horrendous.

I'd vote within {BTD, Hammy, Shannon} today, if you want a list.

[Aristophanes]

Oh geez. What a day!
I think I'm on the right wagon. People should join me and Hammy!

[Aristophanes]

Oh lol
I'm a little dumb sometimes!

I meant BTD, so let me reread them both and see if it's worth a vote change.

I know you're good at reading him, so could you restate the case you had?

[Aristophanes]

BTD:
I forgot he only has 6 posts...
I've already stated why they suck. He seems like disinterested scum.

[Aristophanes]

actually nvm we should probably jk scum

Lynch 1 scum, JK the other.
I love it!

[Aristophanes]

Go ahead and hammer. I care so little that it's not even worth the effort of looking at my role PM to make a claim.

Alisae is likely scum, I should have hammered him yesterday but I wanted to see reactions to my intent first, and then his wagon fell apart.

Nah, you are missing the point. I know my role. But it's not reveal on flip, so what shred of difference does it make to claim? I claim, scum calls my claim a lie and lynches me, no flip. Eventually the game ends and my alignment is revealed but scum already won.

Claiming isn't a useful play in this setup.

These are probably the ickiest. If he knew he was VT, no need to look at his PM. Karnos, do you have a counterclaim to the PRs or were you waiting for a claim from one so you could fakeclaim another?

It's just a weird thing to say as town here.

[Aristophanes]

why are you posting in a game where you died?? shouldn't you be locked out of the thread?? is there something I'm missing...?

"bah" posts are often allowed by mods. In this game one must be careful be careful no flips.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: penguinpower

you said it yourself, if you weren't scum, karnos was and if you were, then karnos wasn't. doesn't look like karnos was scum otherwise game would have ended

Do you think he'd actually kill Karnos though having said that? I doubt it. It was an easy day push for him.

[Aristophanes]

Shannon, that pp check is basically a scum claim for me

Sigh

Why is that?

[Aristophanes]

But fine, if you so wish I'll save you for tomorrow on the condition that you lynch Trans with me.

~doesn't vote Trans~

I still don't see any of his scumgame here though.
Like, Trans/Shannon is possible as you say, but it is just too obvious a link. Even without flips I don't think scum would defend each other like that.

[Aristophanes]

Echo, get your vote off of cleared town!

VOTE: BTD
Still scum, as I said before.

[Aristophanes]

But Ari! They're so fucking in sync. Like the dots are so fucking there.
Just because it's obvious doesn't mean it's ruled out.

This is true, it's just hard to believe man!

[Aristophanes]

Like, would Transcend really put his neck out there for her as a buddy?
I guess it's more likely in this setup, as he wouldn't be implicated if she did die because no confirmation she's scum...

Ninja'd
Looking forward to it!

[Aristophanes]

But Ari! They're so fucking in sync. Like the dots are so fucking there.
Just because it's obvious doesn't mean it's ruled out.

This is true, it's just hard to believe man!

Duuuuuuude.
Before the claim Trans NEVER TR'd Shannon.
If Trans townread Shannon maybe I could see town!Trans sticking his neck out to save someone he thought he was town.

That's bit exactly true. He nullread her with distant interactions early on, gained a fairly strong townread for a bit, dropped that when Hammy claimed, and regained it when she claimed.

Echo, Penguin, karnos, Aris are town

I think shannon's town but i'm not locktowning her yet

scumpile is {Alisae, Hamm, BTD6}

I think you're misremembering events.

[Aristophanes]

But Ari, there was always this middle ground where Shannon wasn't ever a firm, top townread.
She was always in the murky middle for Trans and it seemed like Trans was sorta distancing himself from Shannon a lot.
Hell Trans didn't even feel comfortable enough to locktown Shannon. It just looks off.

Yeah, their interactions really are strained and she was extremely middling in his reads for a while. And he does seem to be prodding her along and asking for/pointing out key points for her to use...

[Aristophanes]

If that's true though, why would she counterclaim the JK and not the BP? It renders the scum RB useless, making it a goon and leaving a far more difficult spot to counter. That would make no logical sense to do!

[Aristophanes]

So, what?
>Lynch Shannon
>Lynch Transcend
>???
>>Profit!

[Aristophanes]

Alright, I'm in.
BTD is useless though, and if killing Transcend doesn't end the game, his defense of Shannon is notable. He only had 6 posts yet the dude has defended her. He's her lurkerscum partner if not Trans.

VOTE: Shannon

[Aristophanes]

Fine. No Shannon, meaning no PP, and no Echo (obviously) today.
That leaves me with Alisae, BTD, and Transcend. BTD is likely scum. Transcend is likely scum if Shannon is. So if ylwere Lynching Transcend, we're commiting to a Shannon lynch tomorrow should she not die to.

I've gotta reread Hammy and see if she had any associative with BTD.

[Aristophanes]

Alisae, do you think it's Hammy BTD?
Like, all searches of BTD in Hammy's posts read super weird. And then there's this gem:

Transcend and Echo, will you help me lynch my partner?

VOTE: BTD

Like here's my worry. If it is Hammy/BTD, and we lynch Transcend and Shannon, we're suddenly in 3p lylo having never reconsidered anything. Deathtrap for us.

If we lynch him first, we either win (he's the only possible candidate I can see for scum with Hammy) or we continue playing and get Trans/Shannon confscum team, lynch to win.

I'd honestly rather go BTD today.

VOTE: BTD

[Aristophanes]

Please nobody quick hammer this.
It's

L-1

[Aristophanes]

Like, if the game doesn't end Shannon is Confidential and Transcend is the obvious partner! If it does, I'm a God XD

[Aristophanes]

Confidential = confscum
Why does this always happen!?

[Aristophanes]

Lmao Echo XD

[Aristophanes]

Hey Ari.
Should I do the thing.
That starts with a H
and ends with an ammer?

I mean, I'd be absolutely okay with it.

But we may as well wait for PP to have his chat with Trans, since he doesn't seem interested in talking to us.
Here I thought PP liked us

[Aristophanes]

/me hammers Ari

Okay I did the hammer thingy.

Owww!
Why did you just hit me with a hammer!?

I'm gonna have a welt now!

[Aristophanes]

*Eats a cookie*

[Aristophanes]

Ouchie!!

Stahp!
I didn't think anyone would know!

My hand hurts too now

[Aristophanes]

XD
Oh Alisae

Trans, I don't know. Maybe you secretly like BTD more than you like the rest of us? Maybe you are actually scum and thus are using your scum play. Maybe your heart grew 3 sizes when you saved Christmas.

You tell me

[Aristophanes]

I'm sorry, I was wrong, it's gotta be Transcend. There's no other way I live until today, except he's cruising by on my town read of him and hoping that I get lynched today and then he can win in LYLO.

We are 4:1 today, if Transcend is lynched today and is scum, we win. If he is town, we are 2:1 tomorrow (assuming a kill goes through - I guess if they target Echo we could be 3:1). If we mislynch me today we are still 2:1 (or 3:1 if Echo is targeted) tomorrow. My main concern is what happens with Transcend there. If I get killed D3 and he lives through N3, he's just got to be the last scum, no doubts about it.

I feel like I shouldn't really say too much because I know that I can't be trusted based on the mechanics of the game at this point. I don't want what I say to be taken as trying to twist things against town or trying to play WIFOM or whatever. So yeah, questions if you have them (I'll be up in 8 hours, it's past bed time here) otherwise I'll just be around to look in in the morning.

Also FWIW I checked Echo, he went nowhere, totally totally confirmed town do not ever lynch him

Good luck town xo

Lol

Nice attempt at bussing! XD

If you're so sure Transcend is scum, why didn't you vote him?

[Aristophanes]

There is no way Alisae is scum. Echo is basically confirmed BP. I know it's Shannon/Transcend now. There is no other way!

VOTE: Transcend

Do this first. Shannon has to help bus now after 841. We lynch her tomorrow.

[Aristophanes]

Echo, thanks for hammering this "not trolling" scum!

Tomorrow we lynch Shannon for the win!

[Aristophanes]

Like, nice try Trans. I know you too well for this shot to work though! XD

[Aristophanes]

aris if you were scum with shannon would you just say so right now -_-

I can't promise I would say so if I were...

[Aristophanes]

<3

Sorry man!

[Aristophanes]

Thanks! Alisae said so too!
Definitely one of my better games I think

[Aristophanes]

He'll learn in time. It does sucked for you guys, but a hammer on scum is a hammer on scum!

[Aristophanes]

Echo is trying to learn from me and copy from me
that's already a red flag.

I mean, I think you're fantastic

[Aristophanes]

i was possibly gonna try to lynch you but btd6 is a giant lynchbait in games

I know, he's fantastic at that!

Poor guy

[Aristophanes]

Apparently "fantastic" is my new word for the moment...

[Aristophanes]

come fill up the marathon game zzz

I wish I could. I have no time for marathons atm. Maybe then they roll around in the summer...

[Aristophanes]

But you need to be extra careful with your vote if it's lylo or you think it's lylo.

Absolutely true yo

[Aristophanes]

Vote Count 3.1- lynch

Transcend (3): Aristophanes, shannon, EchoVision

[Lynch!]

shannon (2): Transcend, Alisae

With 5 players alive 3 votes were enough for a lynch.

*popcorn.gif*

[Aristophanes]

Can we get this to pagetop for FA?

[Aristophanes]

Because I think we can. 3 posts from

[Aristophanes]

We held out for you!!

You're welcome

[Aristophanes]

Also, now that FA has the pagetop, I must go to bed.

Goodnight all! Thanks for the fantastic game

[Aristophanes]

I honestly thought we were toast after we almost buggered this, but I was so ready to play the long game. Had we done Shannon today I'd have shot Echo for 4p, and again for Trans/Alisae/me 3p with the hopes of a Trans lynch.

[Aristophanes]

This was a heck of a lot of fun Frozen! And release away on the PT!

Scum can be a lot of fun when you're active!

[Aristophanes]

Letting her live on D3 was stupid

[Aristophanes]

I'm sorry I toyed with you man!

I was just playing to the whistle

[Aristophanes]

I wasn't making fun of you!