Star Wars Rogue One [GAME OVER]

[Heartless]

Well, since I'm outted, I'm just going to come out and say it.

Why was Infinity killed when he was like the weakest of all the hard town reads? you could talk to him for 3 pages and get him to change his read on someone. Why kill him over someone like Heartless or Drunken?

Feel free to answer.

So you could make this exact insinuation.

[Heartless]

You're also now conveniently off the hook for talking about your zefiend read. I didn't forget that.

[PeregrineV]

Well, since I'm outted, I'm just going to come out and say it.

Why was Infinity killed when he was like the weakest of all the hard town reads? you could talk to him for 3 pages and get him to change his read on someone. Why kill him over someone like Heartless or Drunken?

Feel free to answer.

So you could make this exact insinuation.

What am I insinuating? Just so we are on the same page.

[PeregrineV]

You're also now conveniently off the hook for talking about your zefiend read. I didn't forget that.

Actually I think I did-

Is there a part where the Rogue crew tells us the good they accomplished last night?

It must be with the part where you tell us in what universe your Aeronaut read makes sense. :3

Show me my Aeronaut read and we can discuss it.

Here you go.

With aero, it's partly that he caught up and then disappeared, partly zefiend's catchup which I find very scummy, and partly trusting mastin.

He was replaced, so there is that.
I totally think Mastina is scum.
Aero's Pine interactions don't look like scum with scum. Aero should be neutral or hostile, not questioning or friendly. (1075-1076-1118-1119)

Yeah, I don't think zefend is scummy.

Which part are you questioning?

[PeregrineV]

Which part are you questioning?

The part where you townread Aeronaut based on the four posts you linked.

Is this it? There is no question.

[TheWayItEnds]

Well, since I'm outted

this is a very odd way of phrasing us knowing your flavor.

Not really. Could have been WIFOM that I was a PR. Now there's not.

...how do you figure that us knowing your flavor makes it so you couldnt be a PR?

[Heartless]

I think those types of things are always WIFOM involved. It could be scum framing Pere.

so true... with the two loudest slots on him and no one expressing a solid townread on him, a pv lynch would've been just impossible. definitely would take a frame job.

Or even if Pere is scum, why choose to inno yourself instead of guilty a non-clear?

ikr?! what scum would wanting ppl to treat them as an IC? thats just crazy

[PeregrineV]

Well, since I'm outted

this is a very odd way of phrasing us knowing your flavor.

Not really. Could have been WIFOM that I was a PR. Now there's not.

...how do you figure that us knowing your flavor makes it so you couldnt be a PR?

Because it says Vanilla Town?

[Heartless]

Which part are you questioning?

The part where you townread Aeronaut based on the four posts you linked.

Is this it? There is no question.

if u weren't being intentionally obtuse, this is where u explain in more detail why the interactions made aero town.

[PeregrineV]

Aero's Pine interactions don't look like scum with scum. Aero should be neutral or hostile, not questioning or friendly. (1075-1076-1118-1119)

Sure, I'll go ahead and try to prove a negative instead of you trying to make a case about why he IS scum.

This game is boring. How dare you people make Star Wars boring!

Not really liking LUV, and I completely do not buy Drunken Piper's post restriction. It looks a LOT like something fabricated to excuse minimal content.

Drunken Piper, please discuss your restriction, or confirm that you're just dicking around.

VOTE: Drunken Piper

Pine

This seems like a post that's.... out of place? Like, it would have made more sense to be hounding people about their post restriction on page 5 or so, and not now when there's a lot more to work with.

This post, if Aero is scum, is calling out his scumbuddy in a manner that does not allow him to bus easily, because it's not very aggressive, and does not make Pine look more town, because it's not requesting exposition.

well his title is "couplet typer" so i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say this is a posting gimmick

Oh. That does explain things.

That's irritating.

VOTE: LUV

LUV is mostly a gut read. It's based on a broad reading of their ISO, nothing specific. Sorry, it's a boring game, people are playing things close to the vest, and Titus has been reasonable lately.

I feel as if you could do things to make it not-boring though.

Okay, serious answer - everything you're doing seems calculated to be safe and inoffensive. Like you're trying not to be noticed, like you're trying not to ruffle feathers. Not one thing individually says that, but your vote patterns and calm but unproductive attitude does.

Alright, I do agree with this assesment of LUV; at the same time, I feel like there are more people that this could apply to.

Scum interaction if Aero were scum would be to attack the read, or agree/sheep the read, not call them out for a completely different part of the post.

In addition, scum doesn't bother with the second half of the post. This is all like 600 posts later, so Aero is reading through looking for things that ping him. If he is scum, he doesn't spend time on his buddy and then ever so weakly agree with him.
Look at 1122, he is still 600 posts behind. He's trying to read the game.

Okay no, seriously. How did you judge RVS votes as town/scum?

You'd be surprised at what you can judge from RVS.

Same here. No reason to create an associative with a scumbuddy without townreading or bussing them. He is commenting on stuff that interests him.

Now having said that, if mastina's going to try to throw out hard townreads and scumreads for shit said in RVS, then that's bs; but as far as first impressions and starting reads go, rvs can be pretty helpful.

Clarifying his previous stance. This one is less about Pine, but include Mastina, who I more strongly scumread when I first read through.

[PeregrineV]

Which part are you questioning?

The part where you townread Aeronaut based on the four posts you linked.

Is this it? There is no question.

if u weren't being intentionally obtuse, this is where u explain in more detail why the interactions made aero town.

So, now you can go ahead and explain why Aero and zefend are scum.

[Heartless]

someone hasn't been reading the thread

[PeregrineV]

someone hasn't been reading the thread

You have 365 posts.

[Heartless]

VOTE: zefiend

scum catch up

Why?

bc you use a ton of words to say not very much and the reads themselves are so cookie cutter and meh

talk about this more when not on a phone

anyway back to this

in the opening post i feel like he's just sort of going through the motions and dryly pointing out things that MIGHT be scummy but there's really no direction to any of the thoughts and most all the reads just kind of end up in this weird limbo. i'm not really seeing any effort to go beyond surface level or any attempt to say what the most LIKELY situation is. it's the appearance of "gamesolving" without really solving anything.

starting in this region

[Heartless]

3359 can p much be summed up as "he doesn't fit inside a hilariously narrow model of what scum would do, ergo town"

[Heartless]

I think those types of things are always WIFOM involved. It could be scum framing Pere. Or even if Pere is scum, why choose to inno yourself instead of guilty a non-clear?

Though I will say that every other message I've seen like that has been "mod-confirmed", so this one is rather suspicious. I wanna hear from Pere before I jump to any conclusions.

So now that Pere posted, what's your verdict?

I'll address Pere's Aeronaut towncase among other things when I get home this evening.

[BBmolla]

The anonymous message seems suspect on so many levels. For us to believe it we have to believe there is:

A. A role that gets alignment and role as a result
B. A role that can send messages and has that knowledge

??????

[BBmolla]

I guess I don't really know what to make of it?

[PeregrineV]

(As DP slept off his last tear, conversation exploded. but he saw this that caught his eye, he will do the other catch up later)

I believe Heartless already asked this question, but

@DrunkenPiper

: if you tracked Pine to nacho N1, wouldn't you also have tracked him to BBmolla? If you didn't, isn't that confirmation that BBmolla is lying about being vanillaized? I don't know how Firebringer would resolve that but maybe you should ask him.

you can do this math, if that was the case,
then I wouldnt be talking about BBmolla in this time and place.

hmm, think hard new guy, think hard, try not to use any aids.
and you will probably figure out that I am a...............

I missed this, but you DID track Pine to BBMOlla night1, correct?

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: zefiend

scum catch up

Why?

bc you use a ton of words to say not very much and the reads themselves are so cookie cutter and meh

talk about this more when not on a phone

Read his catchup again, still don'tt think it's scummy.

Where did you "talk about it more"? I cant find it.

[PeregrineV]

3359 can p much be summed up as "he doesn't fit inside a hilariously narrow model of what scum would do, ergo town"

It can be summed up as "Aero sure as shit isn't treating Pine like a scumbuddy." therefore probably not scumbuddies.

[TheWayItEnds]

The anonymous message seems suspect on so many levels. For us to believe it we have to believe there is:

A. A role that gets alignment and role as a result
B. A role that can send messages and has that knowledge

??????

I guess I don't really know what to make of it?

im a little surprised PV confirmed that was his flavor tbh.

especially given the attitude of thats fake if no one takes credit for it that was expressed before he showed up.

[Nero Cain]

2. Why not vote me since you’ve been calling my slot scum pretty much all of today?

I can't vote all my scumreads at the same time. Why should I have voted you over Mastina?

[Heartless]

im a little surprised PV confirmed that was his flavor tbh.

especially given the attitude of thats fake if no one takes credit for it that was expressed before he showed up.

His alternative would be to fake another character, one that might actually be in the game.

[PeregrineV]

null line ---> [^SirCakez^, Titus, Indigo,

Aeronaut

, Klingoncelt, Pine-A-Tonics]

null line ---> [Titus, TWIE,

Aeronaut

]

Infinity, Nacho, Desperado, and

Aeronaut

are my choices.

Aeronaut's catch ups still look town to me. He's reacting to mostly important things and the commentary does suggest a genuine reads development.

I mean yeah you started town reading him but he was obviously null from 441-1057. I know this is a star wars game but Jedi mind tricks won't work on me. So you are going to have to EXPLAIN why Aero is one of your top 4 town reads instead of just waving your hand and acting like "his catchups are town" is valid.

You don't have to keep up the authoritative act just because you're embarrassed by getting facts wrong. Aero was null back on 441 because he hadn't posted anything of substance and he was on V/LA.

Since I posted last Sunday, Aero posted his catchup. I read it and thought he were town and said so in the posts around 1234.

Do you want me to list out the points that he mentioned that I thought were town? Very well:

• His point about PrettyPrincess not trying to game solve (Post 836)
  
• His point about Klingon not trying to game solve (Post 836)
  
• His point about LUV's SirCakez vote being terrible (Post 838)
  
• His response and analysis of my post to SirCakez (Post 838)
  
• Questions to Infinity in Post 838 and Post 1070.
  
• His point about Pine in Post 1075.
  
• His point about Klingon in Post 1120.

-TTH

Hi guys!
Anti and I finally got our shit together and had a real conversation about this game.

We are in agreement that Nero Cain, Drunken Piper, Infinity, and AJ are all likely town.
I'm not exactly sure if I can trust mastina. However, Antihero specifically he asked me to have faith in his mastina read so that's exactly what I'm going to do.
I am not affording him the same trust on the Titus read because I think he gives her too much benefit of the doubt and gives in to AtE rather easily. I haven't seen any reason to think she's town yet and her zefiend defense is mildly concerning to me.

Antihero holds fast to his BBMolla townread based on setup speculation and I know that's his forte so I'm trying not to second guess it too much. But I see some major red flags in Molla's play. The most recent:

sircakez the honest truth is I am beyond terrible at mafia now. I am the worst player I've ever seen.

the only fact I know is I'm town and I don't particularly think you are so your lynch is better than mine.

I don't know about anybody else, but if scum were scared enough of me to vanillaize me on Night 1 I would feel fucking fantastic. I would think someone vanillaized would be emboldened to push their reads even

more

but Molla's slinking around like a dog in a thunderstorm. I don't get it. The attitude doesn't make sense to me.

Antihero has a townread on TWIE, citing the one interaction with Pine in the Post 1565 region. He's enigmatic and null to me but Anti's instincts are good enough that I'll just go with that for now.

Peregrine troubles me. LUV was already a troublesome slot for me and PV himself has yet to post something cogent or convincingly town.

In particular, his read on the Aero slot bothers me:

With aero, it's partly that he caught up and then disappeared, partly zefiend's catchup which I find very scummy, and partly trusting mastin.

He was replaced, so there is that.
I totally think Mastina is scum.
Aero's Pine interactions don't look like scum with scum. Aero should be neutral or hostile, not questioning or friendly. (1075-1076-1118-1119)

If you follow all the links provided, the interactions look pretty damn neutral to me. I suppose you could say the banter about mastina's RVS reads in 1118 and 1119 could be "friendly" if you tilt your head and look at it in just the right lighting, but it's a thready argument. There are other posts here and there that give me the heebie-jeebies but the zefiend defense is probably the most unsettling thing for me.

I'm tired so I'm stopping now. Zefiend and SirCakez tomorrow.

-TTH

Yeah, so you can also explain this while you are at it.