Mini Normal 1879 Bringer Mafia II [Game Over]

[Unknown1234]

VOTE: havingfitz

This is mostly based on the slot before this one, but this guy has done nothing substantial that would make me change my mind.

I thought Uzi was town, but I can reread that.

Either way, it's not a viable lynch for today so get your vote off here.

Oh wait

you're Uzi's slot.

Naomi I thought was town too, but I could be convinced otherwise. BUt not with < 24 hours left. So point stands. Leave this for tomorrow.

I definitely don't expect their lynch to happen, but I would prefer to get my thought she out incase I die so that people miss/ignore my thoughts.

[Alisae]

lol I must really scumread Garrybote then

[Unknown1234]

Sheep has been gone for so long that I haven't even said something to them once. Given they've been under some heat all day I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if they were lurking scum.

[Unknown1234]

lol I must really scumread Garrybote then

Who is your second strongest scum-read as of right now?

[Fro99er]

I want Chaos to answer, and if I'm ok with it I'll vote Lowell

[Alisae]

I agree with 1152. I wouldn't be surprised if they were lurking scum.

2nd strongest would probably be Lowell.

[Fro99er]

Garrybote, Chaos, Sheep, Garrybote, Lowell.
Those are my scumreads.

So why were you voting Wheme?

[Alisae]

Because once you pointed it out to me I thought Chaos was CCing Wheme.

[Alisae]

Or rather, he manipulated you to make you believe that was what he was doing, right?

[Fro99er]

So why did you unvote Wheme?

[Alisae]

Cuz I'm just not sure if Chaos is trying to manipulate people to believe that he's CCing and then once Wheme get's lynched he'll fallback on "I wasn't actually CCing" or if he's actually CCing.

Why did you unvote?

[Fro99er]

That's true.

We can let CO take care of wheme tonight, so we should probably lynch elsewhere

UNVOTE:

I jumped to the conclusion CO could take care of wheme tonight.

But now I'm not sure CO can and I'm trying to find out, which is why I haven't placed my vote anywhere yet.

[Fro99er]

Garrybote, Chaos, Sheep, Garrybote, Lowell.
Those are my scumreads.

What do you make of hawk's stance around Wheme?

[Lowell]

Okay a day late.

From 700:

718- EC says Wheme and Chaos could both be scum
719- wheme pushes chaoswagon
723- mods should stop letting lil in games, all he does is replace out
730s- hawk and frogger argue about sheep and gerry, among others [+, hawk looks good here]
747- frog points out why one of wheme and chaos are scum, but not both [+, good point]
751- wheme leads w/ 4 votes
759- unknown enters for lil [+, I like almost all of this]
804- hawk says wheme is town based on what he knows about setup
960s- wheme calls gerry town for not caring, ali/frog not so sure
970s- chaos wagon starts to move
1030- ali makes case against gerry
1036- chaos wants hawk to semi-claim
1043- gerry claims PR, calls ali scum
1102- wheme leads with 4 votes
1111- wheme says her wagon has "0 resistance" [-, don't agree at all]
1150- unknown votes new wagon to "get thoughts out" [-, other ways to do this]

So we have

Wheme - Odd-night rolestopper
Hawk - mechanically says Wheme's role makes sense as town in conjunction with his
Chaos - says Wheme's role doesn't make sense as town based off his own PR
Gerry - says he's a PR

Count me in the camp who doubt these are all pro-town powerroles. The circumstances around wheme's claim are the worst (he was under pressure), but hawk's backing makes it slightly better for me. Chaos' claim didn't come under pressure (IIRC), nor did gerry's, so they look better IMO. Also I think chaos took a risk asking hawk to "semi-claim"--a risk I'm not sure he'd take as scum. tl:dr I'm not that comfortable choosing between these four today.

I'm inclined to side with hawk on his argument with ali. Ali's reaction (and subsequent OMGUS) of gerry reads a little performative to me.

fos ali

In 1111 wheme says that the wagon on him has no resistance, therefore he's town. I see the exact opposite. People have been talking about wheme forever yet can't get over the hump. There's clear resistance there.

I've liked unknown's entry into the game for the most part, but disliked havingfitz. Fitz' sheep case feels a bit like a sideshow. He mentions in 986 his two suspects are sheep and terata, votes sheep, then doesn't mention either of them again. He's made no effort to move the needle on this wagon, or turn it to terata. His only obsession seems to be hassling people who vote wheme. Being more concerned about people NOT voting a player, rather than wanting people TO vote a player, is a scumtell for me.

fos havingfitz

If there's no extension this fitz wagon isn't going to happen. I'll vote wheme at deadline if it comes to it, but I agree with those who say let PRs sort themselves out if we're not sure.

[Fro99er]

I kinda like this post by Lowell.

like, a lot.

[Aj The Epic]

You mean him fos'ing someone you've been hinting suspicion at for the last 100 posts and ignoring all the incoming pressure, posting RIGHT BEFORE he's about to get wagoned?

Nah, fuck that.

[Fro99er]

Lowell, who would you vote besides ECM?

fitz and Ali? Anyone else?

[Aj The Epic]

Like what am I supposed to like about yet again my suspicions of him and Hawk being a crew when all he does is talk positively about someone who's tripping over their ass every time they're mentioned as possible scum with lowell?

[Fro99er]

AJ what's your read on Ali?

[Alisae]

Lowell I was scumreading Garrybote before he announced his scumread on me.
I thought Garrybote was coasting scum before I made my case on him and when he just OMGUS'd me I went out on him.

[Lowell]

Eh, well I read fast. Even so, it's your reaction that gets me, not so much that you suspect gerry.

[Aj The Epic]

AJ what's your read on Ali?

Positive enough that I'm not lynching him today.

[Fro99er]

I guess lynching Lowell probably helps us sort Hawk, but I don't think it's necessary.

CO/Wheme sort tonight possibly. I really want to hear from CO before I commit anywhere. If CO can sort Wheme tonight, then Wheme can just protect CO. And if Wheme doesn't, then we know Wheme is scum, and probably CO and Hawk are town.

If wheme does protect CO, CO's ability can help us sort Wheme, and therefore likely hawk and CO as well.

If CO cannot sort wheme tonight through his action, Lowell becomes a solid information lynch.


Personally, I'm really not a fan of both Ali and Penguin's play (two players, same slot). I am not townreading that slot at all.

[Aj The Epic]

Still doesn't solve overloaded town. Still too much power.

[Lowell]

I kinda like this post by Lowell.

like, a lot.

Well put your money where your mouth is. I'm ready for a havingfitz powerwagon.

I'd vote EC, fitz, ali, and wheme. Maybe others, I'd have to look closer.