Mini Normal 1879 Bringer Mafia II [Game Over]

[gerryoat]

Hawk - mechanically says Wheme's role makes sense as town in conjunction with his
Chaos - says Wheme's role doesn't make sense as town based off his own PR

lol

[gerryoat]

Sorry guys, I'm on vacation right now and this game is on my back burner. But, I still have been trying to give reads. I think Wheme is mafia, but idk if it's wise to lynch it today. Alisae is also mafia and should be lynched today

[Firebringer]

And the Vote Counts don't stop coming. Fed to the rules and I hit the ground running
Didn't make sense not to live for fun
Your brain gets smart but your head gets dumb

Vote Count #1.17:

WhemeStar [L-3] ChaosOmega, Terata, Alisae, ECMitchell
Cooperative Sheep [L-6] Havingfitz
Lowell [L-6] Aj The Epic,
ECMitchell [L-6] Lowell
Hawk [L-6] Cooperative Sheep,
ChaosOmega [L-6] WhemeStar,
Gerryoat [L-6] Hawk
Alisae [L-6] Gerryoat

Not Voting (2): Fro99er, Unknown1234

With 13 people alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

V/LA:

Fro99er is V/LA till Monday

Deadline:

(expired on 2017-02-15 15:45:00)

[gerryoat]

lol sniped

[Unknown1234]

I like the amount of people at L-6. Gud Choices ppl.

I'm down to vote Havingfitz if people want to. I feel they are way too forgotten and have expressed doubt before.

[ECMitchell]

You'll have to explain what you mean, Unknown. I'm not following.

[Fro99er]

@chaos -- can your power just take care of Wheme tonight?

[Hawk]

Okay so we should lynch wheme then. Like I said before I'm new to normals so trying to spec the setup based off the fact that my role isn't. VT is hurting my brain.

VOTE: Wheme

[WhemeStar]

So after I flip town you guys lynch chaos?

[Unknown1234]

I don't like lynching Wheme.

[WhemeStar]

you shouldn't

[WhemeStar]

My wagon has 0 resistance. Do you really think a scum would be lynched so easily

[Terata]

im so confused by all these setup shenanigans and what that means to others alignments. Im probably just gonna sheep Frogg if he votes someone i think is a decent vote since i think he's both a veteran (good for setup shit) and town

[Terata]

My wagon has 0 resistance. Do you really think a scum would be lynched so easily

well, let's assume you're scum for a second. then there's only 2 scum outside of you. And i don't think most people would put themselves out there to hard defend you as a teammate with how much pressure there's been on you today. Tbh i think they would just bus or just assess where the flow is going.

So i don't think the fact that there's not much resistance to your lynch makes you town

[Fro99er]

Okay so we should lynch wheme then. Like I said before I'm new to normals so trying to spec the setup based off the fact that my role isn't. VT is hurting my brain.

VOTE: Wheme

You're voting Wheme for what reason?

[havingfitz]

I'm down to vote Havingfitz if people want to.

I feel they are way too forgotten and have expressed doubt before.

What are you talking about?

[Hawk]

In reply to Hawk, I thought Sheep VS froggy was TvT at first, but then I started to think that Sheep was scum, didn't like his responses to frog and how he asked questions over and over then called out frog for being scum for not answering those questions.
With Gerry its hard too explain, but all game his posts haven't said much and he's been around all game. I just don't think scum would want to do that, I haven't read his other games to see if this is how he is every game though.
I liked Lowell's recap of everything in 355. Made it easier to read the game IMO.
Look @ Lowell's 355 and then AJ's 374, if you look at it a certain way it looks like Lowell just slipped.

This may be a dumb question and I may be reading my role wrong, but if I hit a PR is that bad? I mean the PR can still do night actions, I just block the actions on the PR. So I can stop him getting hit by mafia can I not?

Wheme, can you cite the posts that gave you pause and caused you to 180 on Sheep?

Hawk's wall on you, combined with his post on Wheme, looks like an attempt to derail the Wheme lynch and drag attention back to you. The case reads as recycled material and having an agenda. He's my top scumread not named WhemeStar.

His ISO #8, #9, #11, he voted Froggy for not answering his questions, which looks like to me he tried to get a wagon on froggy going and get pressure of of him

So are you guys saying me flipping town will out two scum?

In reply to Hawk, i don't like Sheeps posts #451 & #449. In 449 he said that he believes Chaos is scum, but why hasn't he voted him at all?

inconsistency with how he flipped on sheeps wagon. One post he says he was flipping the read on a reread based off first RVS posts. When I ask the same question in a different light and ask why he flips his read around (450ish range) he instead cites posts in that range instead of saying ask round that time I reread the ISO. I realize that I did point to a location of posts but the inconsistency feels jarring to me rereading his ISO.

The rest of the game from his claim forward his play feels very appeasing even going so far as to talk about what town gains from lynching himself and setting up future lynches. This could be read as newbish town but somethings sticking out to me because after being town read and even having his lynch basically stopped and reconsidered he doesn't push forward towards other players lynches instead just sheeps votes as new wagons form.

Hey froggy you seem to play a lot of normals and know the balanced set ups. What can hawk possibly be to confirm me as town rolestopper besides scum?

Also I understand there is a lot of role talk discussion but this felt like fishing to me and I don't see why he would bring this up again as town since if he really is town aligned the last thing we need is more discussion that could lead to another town outting there exact PR. As it stands all PR claims besides Wheme's are soft and honestly should probably stay that way.

Somethings just not sitting right here Fro99er I may be inexperienced in normal setups but it feels like this isn't good :/.

[gerryoat]

Uknown get an avi

[havingfitz]

Why is Wheme the lead wagon. Does his claim not count for anything?

[Fro99er]

Why is Wheme the lead wagon. Does his claim not count for anything?

Supposedly Chaos is CCing-ish

[Hawk]

Why is Wheme the lead wagon. Does his claim not count for anything?

I think people have taken Chaos and myself as CC's. Honestly I'm still super unsure but I keep finding small things that point one way or the other...

I am not CCing Wheme by the way guys. I'm just trying to figure out in what Universe we are living and how the balance of the setup makes sense with my role in conjunction with believing or not believing Wheme's role and alignment. :/

[WhemeStar]

Hawk how were you CC when you said previously that your role confirms mine

[Hawk]

Hawk how were you CC when you said previously that your role confirms mine

More PRs makes it more likely you are scum remember I just asked that for clarification.

AJ do you still want to lynch Lowell? if Lowell flips scum are you intent that I am partners with Lowell?

[Aj The Epic]

AJ do you still want to lynch Lowell?

*checks vote*

if Lowell flips scum are you intent that I am partners with Lowell?

If lowell flips scum, don't you think I'd have to? Are you honestly not going to lynch him on the grounds of him flipping scum incriminating you?

[WhemeStar]

Hawk how were you CC when you said previously that your role confirms mine

More PRs makes it more likely you are scum remember I just asked that for clarification.

AJ do you still want to lynch Lowell? if Lowell flips scum are you intent that I am partners with Lowell?

So you believe a soft claim rather then me claiming when I was L-2