Open 671: Greater Idea - OVER

[bangthemafia]

Kop, I know where you come from! Just trust me, I am town!!

[-Grey-]

Presence of town Vig almost surely tells us we hav only 1 killing scum faction.
Absence means 2 factions.

The Spade kill was a vig kill. End of story.

Scum would not have removed a free mislynch from the game.

Scum don't want cult spreading either

Scum knows town would kill the goo. He was the defacto lynch today.

Not buying your bs.

[Not_Mafia]

Take my offer or don't just don't complain if you lynch me and wolves win

[-Grey-]

Carnelian, say words!

[bangthemafia]

Why do people enrol for games that they dont have time for?

@alban, Carnelian, wake up and start posting.

Before we start voting for NM, can everyone please post their reads list and recommendation for Vig kill if we have a Vig and it was not one-shot Vig? This will help after further flips happen. I am there are some PRs that need some method to convey their night knowledge without coming out in open.

[bangthemafia]

As of now, my reads are-
Towns- Grey > Alban = Vax
Null- Carnelian, Kop
Scum- NM

I am fine lynching NM.

Feel if there is a Vig with shooting power left, they shoot whoever they find scummier between Carnelian (Gamma slot) and Kop.

Vax, NM, Kop, Grey, please post your reads too!

[bangthemafia]

Why do people enrol for games that they dont have time for?

@alban, Carnelian, wake up and start posting.

Before we start voting for NM, can everyone please post their reads list and recommendation for Vig kill if we have a Vig and it was not one-shot Vig? This will help after further flips happen. I am sure there are some PRs that need some method to convey their night knowledge without coming out in open.

EBWOP

[-Grey-]

{alban, bangthemafia}
{Vaxkiller}
{}
{Kop, Carnelian}

Carnelian subbing in and not engaging is a bad look. She needs to make some time for this game if she's going to replace into it.

[-Grey-]

Also, if there is a vig between Kop/Carnelian, I think it's obvious that one needs to vig the other tonight and claim tomorrow.

[-Grey-]

(If someone besides one of those two is vig, shoot one of those two but DO NOT claim immediately tomorrow)

[bangthemafia]

Also, if there is a vig between Kop/Carnelian, I think it's obvious that one needs to vig the other tonight and claim tomorrow.

(If someone besides one of those two is vig, shoot one of those two but DO NOT claim immediately tomorrow)

Completely agree. Will vote for NM but only after everyone posts their reads.

[-Grey-]

He's not a cop

What does he get out of lying about it?

It's not like he's trying to dodge a hammer.

Shot could be fake still, also trolling

This can be shot too.

Saying RC was trolling when his claim made perfect sense. He's not good enough for the noose. He needs a bullet.

Vig, you should have listened to me d1.

[bangthemafia]

ROFL!!!

[-Grey-]

Presence of town Vig almost surely tells us we hav only 1 killing scum faction.
Absence means 2 factions.

The Spade kill was a vig kill. End of story.

Scum would not have removed a free mislynch from the game.

Scum don't want cult spreading either

True! Important point

You being so quick to buy into scum rhetoric gives me bad feels.

The goo was outed, so nobody else was going to be culted.

Not even Scum chooses to be culted voluntarily, let alone town power roles.

[bangthemafia]

My bad. I didnt realize that none will ever target Spade on their own. Was thinking of weird roles like redirector, bus driver etc that might make someone unknowingly target Goo. And felt that NM's arguement that "even scum wont want accidental culting of towwnies" held weight. I can see all these contradictory posts creating a scumvibe. But I feel I was overanalyzing yesterday with all my paranioa about there being a 2nd faction in this game. I saw your point- found scum, lynch them without delay. For all we know we could just win by this one lynch. If there is a 2nd faction, will deal with it next day.

Right now, I am just getting bored waiting for everyone's reads.

[-Grey-]

Was thinking of weird roles like redirector, bus driver etc that might make someone unknowingly target Goo.

That would never happen because it would cult the redirector.

[-Grey-]

@

mod

: Please prod Carnelian

[alban]

Sorry. I have been waiting for time to write it in an elaborate manner. But that's not happening. So will summarise my thoughts quickly.
1. NM could be lying. Even if he is correct about Vax, he has no incentive to tell the truth about his faction.
2. NM may still have a point about not lynching him. If we kill him, game has a high possibility of getting over in the coming night. I have not thought about it, but the only decent chance for the town might be to keep the non-town factions equally strong, and succeed hoping that crossfire may prolong the game for town. Need to think more. Preoccupied right now.
Maybe these points are already covered. I have not read the long posts some of you have put in. Will do that soon.

[-Grey-]

Whoa.

Like a brick, it dawned on me.

If NM is wanting to stop werewolves from winning, it might actually be worth letting him live

one

night.

Here's what I'm thinking...

Town vig claims..

Vig and NM are assigned two names to shoot so there is no doubling up on the same player.

We lynch Vaxkiller.


Thoughts?

[Vaxkiller]

TOWN
Grey - Has to be town, there is only one other option and it seems unlikely.

Leans town
Alban - I still like albans thought process, but he needs to talk more.

Null
Bang - Bangs play up until yesterday seemed more scummy to me, but his talk today is better.
Gamma/Carnelian - Gamma leaned town, but his replacement does not. Gamms play showed game solving and a good thought process. Carn took that and threw it out the window. Carnelians posts thus far has left me wanting more. The slot is also a revolving door, but that could mean anything.

Leans scum
Kop - Lurker, contribute something that isnt completely obvious!

Scum
NM - Obviously

My Kop and alaban reads are crap. I'm basically scum reading kop because of low activity and POE, and I hate doing that. Alban is similar PoE, mafia cupid is a crazy powerful scum role, so im thinking he chose a more interesting role, and I want to believe its town.

I cant tell yet if its a shame that gamma left and carnelian ruined his town read, or a blessing, time will tell.

[Vaxkiller]

Here is the thing. NM might have a point about wearwolves/other faction, but hes lying about being a seer. The only plausible explanation to me is there are more scum OR he wants to help, but the only way anyone will listen is if he takes his "best guess" and lies about "knowing" they are a wolf.

NM, time to start being honest about you being a seer.

[Not_Mafia]

Okay fine I'll be honest, I'm a seer and you're a werewolf

[Vaxkiller]

Okay fine I'll be honest, I'm a seer and you're a werewolf

I jsut cant take this seriously, i mean its such an obvious lie.

[Not_Mafia]

Well of course you'd say that

[bangthemafia]

Whoa.

Like a brick, it dawned on me.

If NM is wanting to stop werewolves from winning, it might actually be worth letting him live

one

night.

Here's what I'm thinking...

Town vig claims..

Vig and NM are assigned two names to shoot so there is no doubling up on the same player.

We lynch Vaxkiller.


Thoughts?

Vig claim brings out the Vig in open. What if NM doesn't follow consensus OR the targets assigned to each of the 2 turn out to be town? Plus if there is a 2nd faction, they may kill Vig or some other town. So we may get upto 3 town kills at night.

By the way, what happened to you? When I discussed this possibility, you were completely sold out that till now there is nothing to suggest that there are 2 factions.