Open 671: Greater Idea - OVER

[bangthemafia]

Snipped. Talking about ongoing games. Instance #2. Very minor offense, but this is a very serious rule on the website. DO. NOT. TALK. ABOUT. ONGOING. GAMES.

~T

[Aristodog]

Carnelian replaces Gamma Emerald effective immediately. Still searching for a Kop replacement.

[Kop]

I'm here, apologies. Reading back.

[Aristodog]

Kop will keep his slot.

[Kop]

{Vaxkiller}
{Gamma Emerald, alban}
{Not Mafia, bangthemafia}
{Kop}

Not interested in lynching top two lines. bang looked better after that wall post, but I didn't really have the time to dig into it due to everything that was going on.

Kop, why are you scumreading alban? Specifics, please. Broad generalizations won't do you any favors.

At the time I started scum reading Alban, he was posturing, where it seemed he was happy to pressure a wagon but not fully commit to it. He was stancing towards Spade with false logic and false reasoning, using anything within his merit not to look bad but at the same time appearing to have reads.

I also didn't like how he tried to explain himself in regards to yourself, people will disagree everytime, but the manner he revoked your questioning, I don't think he was willing to reach out, where town would give some hindsight to show that regardless of how wrong you are, or how you are playing, that they were town and are willing to listen.

[Carnelian]

Thank you for letting me out of my cage

- Annie

[bangthemafia]

Snipped. Talking about ongoing games. Instance #2. Very minor offense, but this is a very serious rule on the website. DO. NOT. TALK. ABOUT. ONGOING. GAMES.

~T

Sorry Mod.
I thought not mentioning game number will be fine. Was just trying to help Kop.
Sorry again.

No worries.

[Kop]

Protect Dave, not me.

I'm just vanilla now

Sadness.

Spade death has to be a vig shot. He was the defacto lynch today.

I wonder why there wasn't a second kill n1 when we lynched scum d1 though. That seems suboptimal, unless dave successfully protected someone.

We've only lost three town to two scum (due to conversion), so we're still in decent shape.

Why are you confident that it was a vig shot? Is it because of the lack of night one deaths spelling it that way?

It might sound anti town, but at this stage of the game, if it was indeed a vig shot, I think it might not be a daft idea for the vig to come forward and claim that shot. We are potentially in either mylo or lylo depending on how many anti town players there are at this stage. We really need to put pencils to paper and find out what we're dealing with, and potentially how many converted players we have who may have visited Spade.

If the vig doesn't come forward, and claim that shot, it's either potentially it's a bad idea from me for a person to come and claim it, or there isn't actually a vigilante out there and it's a second scum faction who may have shot a player that Dave doctored or may have been roleblocked on night one.

[bangthemafia]

Thank you for letting me out of my cage

- Annie

Welcome Carnelian! You joined the website just today? So whats your experience with Mafia? Did you also enlist for a newbie game? Or playing the greater mafia straightway?

[Kop]

Protect Dave, not me.

I'm just vanilla now

Sadness.

Spade death has to be a vig shot. He was the defacto lynch today.

I wonder why there wasn't a second kill n1 when we lynched scum d1 though. That seems suboptimal, unless dave successfully protected someone.

We've only lost three town to two scum (due to conversion), so we're still in decent shape.

Why are you confident that it was a vig shot? Is it because of the lack of night one deaths spelling it that way?

It might sound anti town, but at this stage of the game, if it was indeed a vig shot, I think it might not be a daft idea for the vig to come forward and claim that shot. We are potentially in either mylo or lylo depending on how many anti town players there are at this stage. We really need to put pencils to paper and find out what we're dealing with, and potentially how many converted players we have who may have visited Spade.

If the vig doesn't come forward, and claim that shot, it's either potentially it's a bad idea from me for a person to come and claim it, or there isn't actually a vigilante out there and it's a second scum faction who may have shot a player that Dave doctored or may have been roleblocked on night one.

Sorry grey, some points I've made you covered, and ignore the confidence bit, that does make sense to why it's a vig shot.

[Carnelian]

Carnelian promises that Carnelian has lots of experience, though Carnelian is still a bit clueless in some things.

[bangthemafia]

Carnelian promises that Carnelian has lots of experience, though Carnelian is still a bit clueless in some things.

So then come straight to the point. Tell us who you think is scum and why.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Not Mafia

This is not an OMGUS vote or a lurker vote. Not mafia is scum.

On a scale of 1 to Scum, how 10 is Not Mafia?

10

I was hoping to not have to come out and explain it. I watched Davesaz last night. Not mafia visited him, now hes dead.

[Not_Mafia]

Liar liar pants on fire

[Kop]

VOTE: Not Mafia

This is not an OMGUS vote or a lurker vote. Not mafia is scum.

On a scale of 1 to Scum, how 10 is Not Mafia?

10

I was hoping to not have to come out and explain it. I watched Davesaz last night. Not mafia visited him, now hes dead.

What made you watch Davesaz?

[Vaxkiller]

Lol, that was quick, bang asked you some questions a while back, but your lurking around to call me a liar!

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Not Mafia

This is not an OMGUS vote or a lurker vote. Not mafia is scum.

On a scale of 1 to Scum, how 10 is Not Mafia?

10

I was hoping to not have to come out and explain it. I watched Davesaz last night. Not mafia visited him, now hes dead.

What made you watch Davesaz?

A post grey made yesterday, im a little busy at the moment, but it alerted me that maybe I was wrong about him. I'll find it later tonight.

[bangthemafia]

Before we start voting for NM, we need a strategy for night and day 4, since some of us may not be around.

VAX, who do u feel are the other scum? I know I m a town, you and Grey hav claimed townies, I also feel Alban is a town. If we hav 3+2+2, or 3+3+1, one of the above 4 is lying. For me, it will be either u or alban.

On the other hand, if we are 4+3, why were there 2 kills on night 2? I think if it was a vig, they must claim right now. Coz it makes us understand the number of factions we are dealing with. What do u feel Grey, Alban, Vax?

Also i wanna check if watcher is always a townie in this setup

[bangthemafia]

Fuck! There is a werewolf watcher listed in the roles!!!

[Not_Mafia]

I am Mafia,but Charloux was my only partner, I'm pretty Vax is wolf and probably has a partner, if we lynch Vax you can tell me who to NK

[Vaxkiller]

I am Mafia,but Charloux was my only partner, I'm pretty Vax is wolf and probably has a partner, if we lynch Vax you can tell me who to NK

ROFL!

[Vaxkiller]

Guys, im mafia, but im on YOUR side!

[Not_Mafia]

If there's more than one wolf, which is most likely, town is fucked, you're town's optimal lynch

[Vaxkiller]

you're town's optimal lynch

I get your point if there are multiple wearwolves, but how the fuck am i the optimal lynch if I saw you visit davesaz last night, you lied about it, then admitted it?

Is wearwolf watcher a role?

Ugh, it is a role. How convenient for what ever your agenda is here.

[bangthemafia]

@Alban, Grey, you guys online?

If NM is speaking truth, we have 3+3+1 now. That only means-
if alban is town, 3 werewolves (vax, kop, gamma slot), 1 scum (Not mafia)
If vax is town watcher, alban replaces him in the above configuration.

2 possibilities-
Lynching NM will ensure that there wont b 2 kills assuming we dont have a vig. But night 3 will start with 3+3. So scum will kill a townie, and win with 2+3.

Lynching Vax will mean night 3 starting as 3+2+1.
Even in the best scenario, where NM kills a werewolf and a townie is killed by werewolves, we start day 4 with 2+1+1. It is a sure loss for town as the surviving scum will win at night 4.
In worst scenario, both factions kill a townie, so day 4 starts with 1+2+1, its town loss.
In another scenario, on night 3, NM kills a wolf, wolves kill NM. So we start day 4 as 3+1. Thats the only town win situation, and so wolves will NOT kill NM but go for town on night 3.

So what do u guys think?

My suggestion-
1. Dont hurry for this lynch. Lets think carefully.
2. Vax, please claim completely.
3. If there is a town Vig, come out instantly coz then town has lot of possibilities.
4. I think its time for a complete claim.

What do u guys say?