In post 5139, Nachomamma8 wrote: In post 5129, Tammy wrote:I do want you to talk to me about Pine because he was my dark horse scum read that I wanted to push yesterday before the crapfest sponsored by Gerry and his fake claim.
I think that most of Pine's reads are fake, shallow, and convenient. I don't really but that he didn't bus Creature because he "never busses", I think the fact that so many of his reads depend on the Creature flip imply that he bussed and I think that the "quiet, stubborn, but 100% confident" is setting up for cred in case Creature fails to survive Day 1, same as McMenno's approach.
Okay so here are my issues with Pine. Day one was mostly a gut read. I just didn't feel it from Pine, it just felt kinda flat like meh he's there when he's there but nothing really felt like he was solvey. I told toogeloo that I thought he might be scum and I was going to start to push there then got distracted. There was a little part of me that thought that him doubting the mason claim could be town paranoia, but the reasoning for it blows super chunks. Like he said that we were being stubborn or unhelpful or something due to looking at vote counts. Now if he'd actually bothered to read the posts in the game and the argument people were making, he'd have seen me say I was fine with Creature or Gerry (I was always going to vote there) and Toogs made his concerns very clearly known. I think that someone like Pine should have some kind of idea why a mason would be having issues with claims that run counter to their own and being very stubborn about that. Hell one of the reasons the creature wagon got off the ground is because frogger claimed cop and the two investigatives didn't seem to work together on the same team.
So he's hard town read Gerry who has fake claimed or not a role that the way he's claimed it does not seem compatible with masons, but he has no questions or no cares about that and he's actually fanning the flames of Gerry to try to discredit the masons. I'm thinking about the joss whedon game and how ffery in team mafia talked about how some scum will interact with confirmed town. Both Pine and SlySly are doing that to an extent, I think Sly looks really scummy but he could just be a miserable person. (Also why are you town read slysly that would be amazing to know. He doesn't even read and makes bad accusations based upon not actually reading.) Anyway, Pine gives this really rudimentary "lesson" on scum bussing practices all about how scum don't behave which assumes that scum are automatons following some guidebook for bussing instead of actual real people. And his bussing information runs counter to what I've actually experienced. The people on the front of a wagon aren't the busers WHAT? Also waxing simply about scum behavior he actually has the nerve to offer up the possibility that we're fake claiming.
There's just so much internal disconnect with actual behavior of scum and what he's doing that I'm just completely baffled here.
