I do think RC is town. The inclusion of Not_Mafia is WIFOMy at best and I kinda expected Infinity to call me on it.In post 1527, MagnaofIllusion wrote: So you are reading RC and Not Mafia as lock Town then?
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And now that the game is officiallly over I can quote the following -
From Nightless Vengeful Mayhem Open 669. Nahdia_Superfan is an RC alt.In post 1135, Nahdia_Superfan wrote:I would prefer that you vote Fitz first because I'm like 99.9% certain Fitz is scum vs 99.6% certain MoI is scum and I think that Fitz is more palatable as a wagon anyway.
I was Town that game. So was RC. So take with a heaping dose of salt what RC says about his accuracy on reads (regardless of what you think his alignment is). Because you cannot be much more certain than 99.6%."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Well they did have fitz rightIn post 1552, MagnaofIllusion wrote:And now that the game is officiallly over I can quote the following -
From Nightless Vengeful Mayhem Open 669. Nahdia_Superfan is an RC alt.In post 1135, Nahdia_Superfan wrote:I would prefer that you vote Fitz first because I'm like 99.9% certain Fitz is scum vs 99.6% certain MoI is scum and I think that Fitz is more palatable as a wagon anyway.
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Interesting, I didn't think it was relevant to the point so I didn't botherIn post 1551, massive wrote:
I do think RC is town. The inclusion of Not_Mafia is WIFOMy at best and I kinda expected Infinity to call me on it.In post 1527, MagnaofIllusion wrote: So you are reading RC and Not Mafia as lock Town then?-
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I was just going to say... I simultaneously trust him and distrust him. I don't know if I could sheep them on that. I've maybe ever been so duped once (if Gin was actually scum) which is why I wish he'd answer you when asking about other people.In post 1547, Infinity 324 wrote:Ok interesting. How much do you think we should trust RC if he's town?
Also what do you think about his play post-AtE?
I think his play post AtE looks like he did everything he could to get pressure off him so he can stop with the charade. He still hasn't done any of the things asked of him during the freak out-
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So my Princess Bride review – Infinity was Town.
My immediate impression is that Infinity’s reads there are significantly different from her. At 41 he already has two scumreads (Primate and Leon) and only has expressed a single Town read (Nero, based on a recently ended game where Nero was scum). Infinity also votes Massive at 61 which should indicate some sort of scum-read.
Adds a Town-read for Rach at 75. Indicates he can see a case on Shaddowez at 87. Reiterates his Nero Town meta read at 90.
First read list at 106. I’m quoting it because I think it reflected very differently than the Poker Mafia reads list –
No stratified tiers … just Town reads (4), scum reads (3) and the rest Null. So Town Infinity once again has a pretty well balanced reads list, at least early on. At 420 we get a reads list with 4 Town, 2 Meh Town, 2 Meh Scum, and 1 Scum read.Infinity 324 wrote:Oh so we have a double voter do we?
That makes farside more likely to be town.
So we have
town - me, farside, nero, rach
null - PEP, DPR, massive, MoI, sword (entrance slightly towny but I'm not sure)
scum - shadow, leon, primate
Another quote I think needs presented …
This is consistent with his stance from this game. On the other hand we have this –Infinity 324 wrote: I actually have never seen a scum player who looks like he's saying everything that comes to his mind, and that's the feeling I get from nero.
Town Infinity is actively acknowledging that having similar reads and being Proactive being the basis for a Townread might be poor.Infinity 324 wrote:I kinda wanna townread Leon cause I like his reads and the PEP vote is proactive, but that seems naive
At 216 Infinity posits that scum win games by lurking and lists 5 players who were low on content. He expresses that very likely all the scum are in this pool. He was2/3rds correct (1 mafia and the Serial Killer)."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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WHich isn't really relevant because you replaced in with like 30 pages of contentIn post 1559, Infinity 324 wrote:except maybe "fewer early townreads".-
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Yeah that is sketchy but the slot is lock townIn post 1562, lane0168 wrote:I'm bummed I didn't do more to figure out why Elsa claimed friendly neighbor, when apparently that had nothing to do with their role-
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I told everyone to lynch Fitz first for a reason.
I was nowhere near 99.6% sure that you were scum, I just had you as my third biggest scumread and really didn't want to see you make it to endgame.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Which is why I don't believe a word coming out of your mouth about how strong your Gin scum-read is regardless of your alignment here. Because I've seen far too often you retract on junk statements after the fact saying "Oh, it was a gambit".In post 1564, RadiantCowbells wrote:I told everyone to lynch Fitz first for a reason.
I was nowhere near 99.6% sure that you were scum, I just had you as my third biggest scumread and really didn't want to see you make it to endgame."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Also along these lines -In post 1564, RadiantCowbells wrote:I just had you as my third biggest scumread andreally didn't want to see you make it to endgame
Everyone pay attention- If RC makes it to MYLO / LYLO lynch them. No questions asked. I don't care if he is Cop / Gunsmith cleared. I don't care if he retracts FA's claim and claims Mason with an unflipped player. I don't care if a Role Cop results look to clear him. Unless he is literally a Mod confirmed Innocent Child then he needs to die if he gets to MYLO / LYLO."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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So for those playing along at home – my thoughts based on my read of Poker Mafia and Princess Bride Mafia –
After looking over both games I think the differences are much more pronounced than Infinity is trying to suggest. Looking back over his ISO I see much more in common with Poker Scum Infinity than Town PB Infinity.
As mentioned in the Poker catchup there is a consistency with Infinity’s play here regarding Town-reads and how readily he hands them out. His first reads list (1102) has 4 players as scum and the rest Town “above the Null line”. The fact that there isn’t a null category (and he hasn’t finished catching up at this stage, it was “boring” and had only read to page 11) is a pretty strong scum indicator. Posts like 1373 where he gets “Town vibes” from Massive are another example. Nothing concrete there.
And his push and then back-off of RC I think resembles his play in Poker as well. The wagon got to L-1 and he finds a weak motivation (1367 – which basically is “He’s Town because he AtEd for an extended period and then under pressure is cooperating) to reverse fields and call RC Town. And another one at 1428 where “timing” is the reason that slot is Town. Best not to stay on RC's bad side if RC is Town.
And as pointed out in my re-read he has a distinct lack of scum Reads in 1477 (and comments on it which happened twice in Poker Mafia). Infinity did not as Town have a problem finding scum reads in Princess Bride Mafia. Which is good scum play – keep your pool of people who might call you out on suspecting them for poor reason to a minimum Day1.
He’s also doing the “Hey PlayerX what do you think of PlayerY” routine ( I count at least two so far) that he did as scum in Poker.
So Infinity is in my Scum Pool with SirCakez and Aella but I don’t think they are all partners together as it stands.
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Ok so he didn’t and I did. What does that say given Infinity is Town reading you?In post 1551, massive wrote:I do think RC is town. The inclusion of Not_Mafia is WIFOMy at best and I kinda expected Infinity to call me on it.
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Funny you would say this given the following reads lists from players you are solidly Town reading ..In post 1553, eagerSnake wrote:I don't see how any true townie could have N_M as anything other than null tbh
In post 1497, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:New reads would be
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{eagerSnake, RagingSpammers, Not_Mafia}
{RadiantCowbells, AElla Was Spine}
{Infinity324, lane0168}
Null {Flubbernugget, massive, LeonShade}
{SirCakez, MagnaofIllusion}
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I mean I agree but the fact that it looks like you are throwing shade Massive’s way while not even blinking when both Gin and Infinity listed him as Town on their latest lists is puzzling.In post 1476, Infinity 324 wrote:{spammers, eager}
{gin, cakez, RC, leon}
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That's one too many townreads. Ok
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Hmmm … if Infinity is scum then I need to rethink my read on Cakez because this doesn’t look like how he treats partners traditionally.In post 1507, Infinity 324 wrote:Me? I think he's town. He's brought up a lot of points I agree with and I like his tone.
Oh the righteous indignation …In post 1570, Infinity 324 wrote:Don't criticize me for missing shit then not answer my questions -_-
It’s been less than 3 hours since the Princess Bride review. I have other games and other responsibilities to attend to. The fact that I didn’t instantly get back to you (and Eager) given the complexity of the post involved but could make quick posts doesn’t warrant this response IMO."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Yeah I want those reads explained further that's why I poked at itIn post 1571, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I mean I agree but the fact that it looks like you are throwing shade Massive’s way while not even blinking when both Gin and Infinity listed him as Town on their latest lists is puzzling.-
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I don't remember specific cases, but I probably have had towngames where I had few/no nullreads and have definitely had towngames where I townread people off of nothing concrete.In post 1571, MagnaofIllusion wrote:The fact that there isn’t a null category (and he hasn’t finished catching up at this stage, it was “boring” and had only read to page 11) is a pretty strong scum indicator. Posts like 1373 where he gets “Town vibes” from Massive are another example. Nothing concrete there.
...in what way?And his push and then back-off of RC I think resembles his play in Poker as well.
Both of these are common things for me to do as town as wellAnd as pointed out in my re-read he has a distinct lack of scum Reads in 1477 (and comments on it which happened twice in Poker Mafia). Infinity did not as Town have a problem finding scum reads in Princess Bride Mafia. Which is good scum play – keep your pool of people who might call you out on suspecting them for poor reason to a minimum Day1.
He’s also doing the “Hey PlayerX what do you think of PlayerY” routine ( I count at least two so far) that he did as scum in Poker.
Using such a small about of meta is fine for part of a read, but when you use it to base almost your entire read on me that's pretty damn weak. Not to mention, those games were a while ago so it's possible my playstyle has changed since then. I only brought up princess bride as a counterexample.
Speaking of which, are you sure there weren't any other times I gave townreads for reasons you thought were bad?
What's different about it from poker mafia? Have you seen any other scum games of mine that you're going off of?Hmmm … if Infinity is scum then I need to rethink my read on Cakez because this doesn’t look like how he treats partners traditionally.
Ok sorryIt’s been less than 3 hours since the Princess Bride review. I have other games and other responsibilities to attend to. The fact that I didn’t instantly get back to you (and Eager) given the complexity of the post involved but could make quick posts doesn’t warrant this response IMO.
PEdit: The only reason n_m is above null for me is modWIFOM with the claims-
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