Mini 1877: Spyro the Dragon (Game Over)

[Infinity 324]

ok I'm caught up. Please answer my questions

[Infinity 324]

{spammers, eager}
{gin, cakez, RC, leon}
{aella, n_m, massive, flubber}
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{MoI, lane}

That's one too many townreads. Ok

[Infinity 324]

Eager should be above spammers lol

[SirCakez]

I will say that gin could be opportunistic scum. But he'd have to be essentially a god scum to be scum this game so I prefer to wait and see if he gets NKed. Like its so unlikely he's able to fake convincing paranoia, convincing efforts to get the game going, good questions, etc.

Gin is a good player, I don't think it's above him to be scum here.

[Infinity 324]

Do you have a scumgame of his I can see?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Interestingly enough, my only scum game has been in a hydra.

I'm pretty sure I linked it this game.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Bloop

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69088

I'm under Blawb and sign under /Gin

I'll later take over the account completely and just post as "Blawb"

Go ahead and meta me

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Oh and the scum chat

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=69090

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I thank Cakez for the compliment, the only thing tho that I'd surmise is to not fucking trust me with a cop shot in MyLo

[Infinity 324]

Oh yeah.

Where are you at with reads now?

[eagerSnake]

I will say that gin could be opportunistic scum. But he'd have to be essentially a god scum to be scum this game so I prefer to wait and see if he gets NKed. Like its so unlikely he's able to fake convincing paranoia, convincing efforts to get the game going, good questions, etc.

Gin is a good player, I don't think it's above him to be scum here.

So Im being lazy and dont feel like checking

how many games have you played with Gin?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

All ongoing eager

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Where are you at with reads now?

I'll have reads and a vote around Thursday, i'm too busy IRL atm

[Not_Mafia]

What a rollercoaster

[SirCakez]

I read Hunger Games 2, so I know what he's capable of

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Cakez, did you have the alignments when you were spectating that game?

[Infinity 324]

Can I have a towngame as well?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Literally any finished game on my solo account

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69768
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=69704
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69849

[Leonshade]

Yesterday got me to go "no more mafia for today", stressed out enough as it is.

It wasn't a town read. You were voting there. You unvoted with the claim? I just think maybe you would've checked to see if there was any information that would hint at spyros alignment. Because figuring out people's alignment is how you play this game. Scum don't need to if course

I couldn't tell you how much experience I have with that. I can't remember. I don't know that it's relevant considering you not knowing the alignment is not the reason for the vote. It's the fact you didn't do the simple things that could've alluded to it. Like read the setup

The townread was post-claim, I was scumreading him before. The slot is probably town even with just the vig claim, and Infinity brought up that he had softed it earlier, which raises the claim's credibility even higher. Looking up clues to see if Spyro is town is not something that would've ever even entered my mind, this is not an open setup so I wouldn't expect the mod to go "btw Spyro is confirmed town" in the opening post. I think your accusation is silly, I've been playing this like a normal mafia game where I try to read people, and you claim I'm scum because I'm not going through the mod posts with a fine comb to look for alignment clues.

You wouldn't do that regardless of alignment and you know it, you're too confident in your play as scum to do that.

Nice generalization. The fact remains that scum (especially in a know alignment distribution set-up like this one) have more reason to placate a claimed Vig than Town. I might not go Surrender Cobra like FA did but I wouldn’t go out of my way to rock the boat on Eager’s power-trip.

Do you disagree?

Of course you wouldn't want him to shoot you, but you wouldn't blatantly placate him, either. That would be too out of character for you. You're not in the position where you would need to go out of your way to placate Snake, so the fact that you haven't done isn't alignment indicative. The fact remains that in response to an accusation, you said "no, scummy players act like this" when that's not the way you would act as scum in this position.

[Infinity 324]

Gin, the reason I asked for a reads list is that you don't seem to have a consistent flow of reads throughout the game, you mainly jump on wagons as they come up. At least that's what it looks like to me

[Leonshade]

By RC's own admission it's almost impossible to read him without meta, which I don't have. I don't like RC's playstyle, but FA's play made me townread the slot. I've also been townreading Gin all day, so I'm not interested in lynching either slot today. The arguments between the two get too heated and it's not what I enjoy in my mafia games (or anywhere else for that matter), so I'm probably just going to nope out if there's another five pages of those.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Do you think it's fair to assume reads have to be concrete on D1?

Also if I haven't made another reads list, then the last one I made would be the most up to date, starting from memory/no review of thread, then it would be what I have below.

Spoiler: Old Reads

Town
{eagerSnake, RagingSpammers}
{lane0168 ,Not_Mafia, Leonshade}
{Ælla Was Spine, Elsa and Anna}
{}
Null {, Flubbernugget, massive}
{SirCakez, MagnaofIllusion}
{ProHawk}
Scum

Needs Review on placement:

lane, Leon
*Any on/under null*

New reads would be
Town
{eagerSnake, RagingSpammers, Not_Mafia}
{RadiantCowbells, AElla Was Spine}
{Infinity324, lane0168}
Null {Flubbernugget, massive, LeonShade}
{SirCakez, MagnaofIllusion}
{}
Scum

[massive]

I will say that gin could be opportunistic scum. But he'd have to be essentially a god scum to be scum this game so I prefer to wait and see if he gets NKed. Like its so unlikely he's able to fake convincing paranoia, convincing efforts to get the game going, good questions, etc.

How long would you like to wait to see if he gets NKed? Because, off the top of my head, I'd kill the vig, RC, and then maybe even the other claimed rolecop just for WIFOM fun before I'd kill Gin. Why is that an important part of your current feelings about Gin?

[Leonshade]

RC,

I'm sorry for scumreading you

, maybe you can understand given the tactics you used and I didn't know you'd go to that extent as town. Not saying it's not justified, maybe it is, but at least for me it's a lot more helpful if you try to cooperate even if I scumread you for shit reasons.

Why apologize to someone for scumreading them?