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Post Post #225 (ISO) » Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:56 am

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Shanba wrote:
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A "town powerrole" claim is an ideal scum cover when under pressure, since they don't have to commit to claiming an actual role, they don't have to risk a possible counterclaim, and it may be enough to shed a couple of votes.
This may or may not be true, but I haven't actually ever seen scum claim this.
Me neither, but on paper, it's more beneficial for the scum to claim it than for town to, IMO...
In which case it's not really very good evidence of him being scum, then, is it?
If an action appears to be more useful for a scum to perform than a townie to, then the performing of it is a slight scumtell.

That action appears to be more useful for a scum to take (correct me if I'm wrong), and so it is a slight scumtell.
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Post Post #226 (ISO) » Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:01 am

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unless that player actually is a town powerrole, in which case theres more benefit to claiming it then going down with the role
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Post Post #227 (ISO) » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:40 pm

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Hi,

DragonsofSummer, long time no see!
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kabenon007 wrote:First post. Obviously scum.
If you can go through every other game on MS and prove that then I'll listen.

p.s I can't be arsed to joke around here, this game is deadly serious - heck I've been waiting a week for things to start.
Scum.

Personally(i have not read the entire thread at this point) I think the NPCs will play a more subtle role. Who would make their night choices? How would they deliver an investigation result? I think they're the fluff that we, as players, are suppose to manipulate to our liking. I could be wrong, but that's my guess at this point.

Phate joking = fine! Phate is not scum for joking. Kison is ignoring this. I will agree he did try fairly hard to appear to come across as unconcerned, and didn't offer perspective while demanding it on his own.

tyhess continuing to press the joke thing(HERE & HERE) is scummy.

Spambot is a little nutso early on. You might need to defrag your spambot's native machine's hard drive. Maybe run antivirus too.

Moving along!

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Phate wrote:If you're scum and accusing me, then you already know I'm town. If you're scum and accusing me, responding to your accusations is meaningless. If you're scum and accusing me and I respond, it's only to satisfy the rest of the town town, because they're the only ones who don't know whether I'm scum or town.
OK man of Phaith, you need to stop assuming Kabenon AKA the wannabe James Bond is scum here. Personally I find your initial hesitation to respond to his points scumm as well, but your "roleclaim" and weird play has be holding back. I'm gettin newb vibes from you, Mr. Phatemaker! I want to vote you like I want to vote Battle Mage, which means I probably shouldn't be doing it.

HAHA! Oh wow, I just got done reading the thread and was about to threaten to vote Spambot when I read this :

"Kison replaces Spambot."

Woops!

OK, that changes things.

I still don't feel that Phate is lying, but I wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong here and that the guy is completely messing with our heads. Honestly, there is simply too little content from some people for me to be certain of anything at this point.

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Vote : DragonsofSummer
because he did the whole under-the-radar thing in the last game I was in with him(COMPLETED) and wound up being scum. Claims it's his playstyle, but I'd really like some initiative taken on his part.

So tell me something new, DragonsofSummer!

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Post Post #228 (ISO) » Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:59 pm

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Hmm.the bit about you wanting to vote spambot kind of takes away a lot of that posts credibility. Anyways, you should respond to the attacks on Spam by me and (i think?) yagami, though mine arent very well organized.
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Post Post #229 (ISO) » Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:30 pm

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Well what I said was that spambot got tunnel visioned on Kabenon for something he and I had done. He posted after I pointed it out, and seemed to ignore it.
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Post Post #230 (ISO) » Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:36 pm

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I'm sure my being Spambot takes away any credibility I thought I might have had in the first place, but the irony definitely made my day.

And what can I say in response to the attacks? I am not Spambot. I am his role. I know it's tragic, but my uberness does not extend to the ability to read his mind. I don't know why he acted the way he did, but I can only guess based on my role that he genuinely over reacted. Short of a roleclaim, there's really not much else I can give you other than my own opinion on the subject.

So I mean, either ask me questions, move on, or lynch me, because waiting for me to make up an excuse for my predecessor won't work. =)

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Post Post #231 (ISO) » Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:57 pm

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Well, the way I see it, when someone is replaced you should consider the original players actions since they have the same role pm, but not as strongly since the replacement doesn't know why the player did so in most cases, and it could have been as you said. So, I don't really expect you to be able to answer anything about why spambot did what he did.
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Post Post #232 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:45 am

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Well, I guess it's true that it's hard for you to answer for spambot, seeing as Spam's play was mainly just oppertunism and tunnel-vision. I think it would be a good idea to give you a mostly clean slate for now, but IGMEOY.
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Post Post #233 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:25 am

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Greggo replaces Vampyrusddg/CTD.
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Post Post #234 (ISO) » Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:58 am

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somestrangeflea wrote:
Shanba wrote:
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A "town powerrole" claim is an ideal scum cover when under pressure, since they don't have to commit to claiming an actual role, they don't have to risk a possible counterclaim, and it may be enough to shed a couple of votes.
This may or may not be true, but I haven't actually ever seen scum claim this.
Me neither, but on paper, it's more beneficial for the scum to claim it than for town to, IMO...
In which case it's not really very good evidence of him being scum, then, is it?
If an action appears to be more useful for a scum to perform than a townie to, then the performing of it is a slight scumtell.

That action appears to be more useful for a scum to take (correct me if I'm wrong), and so it is a slight scumtell.
This premise is wrong. Something is a scumtelll if and only if scum do it more than town. It doesn't matter whether it's beneficial to scum (that might explain why it is a scumtell) but unless scum do it more than town it's not, well, indicative of scum.
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Post Post #235 (ISO) » Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:40 pm

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Er....I dont really know how I feel about this current discussion. I'm thinking I might have to take Shanbas side in it, but its really irrelevant. Its a meta issue, and I suggest we abandon it.
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Post Post #236 (ISO) » Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:00 am

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Elias_the_thief wrote:Er....I dont really know how I feel about this current discussion. I'm thinking I might have to take Shanbas side in it, but its really irrelevant. Its a meta issue, and I suggest we abandon it.
I guess so. It's important as flea is using it as a justification for an action, but what's more important than whether it's true or not is whether he believes it's true, which it seems like he does. Still...

Flea, do you still think that's a valid justification for the pressure?
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Post Post #237 (ISO) » Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:12 am

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Shanba wrote:
somestrangeflea wrote:
Shanba wrote:
somestrangeflea wrote:
Shanba wrote:
A "town powerrole" claim is an ideal scum cover when under pressure, since they don't have to commit to claiming an actual role, they don't have to risk a possible counterclaim, and it may be enough to shed a couple of votes.
This may or may not be true, but I haven't actually ever seen scum claim this.
Me neither, but on paper, it's more beneficial for the scum to claim it than for town to, IMO...
In which case it's not really very good evidence of him being scum, then, is it?
If an action appears to be more useful for a scum to perform than a townie to, then the performing of it is a slight scumtell.

That action appears to be more useful for a scum to take (correct me if I'm wrong), and so it is a slight scumtell.
This premise is wrong. Something is a scumtelll if and only if scum do it more than town. It doesn't matter whether it's beneficial to scum (that might explain why it is a scumtell) but unless scum do it more than town it's not, well, indicative of scum.
That's fair. I assumed that, since the sample of past occurrences is relatively small, "benefits scum more" would be a valid substitute for "scum perform it more", since the former would logically lead to the latter. It would appear I was mistaken.
Shanba wrote:Flea, do you still think that's a valid justification for the pressure?
In brief, no.
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Post Post #238 (ISO) » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:46 am

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Hello, I'm replacing Vampyrusddg and CTD. I'll post more stuff as soon as I've read through the thread.
Just a minor warning, I'm a bit of a newbie, but I know how the game works, as I play the game in real life.
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Post Post #239 (ISO) » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:23 am

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Shanba wrote: what's more important than whether it's true or not is whether he believes it's true, which it seems like he does.
Yeah, thats what I was getting at.
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Post Post #240 (ISO) » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:24 am

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Post Post #241 (ISO) » Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:28 am

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Hi,

Waiting on DoS.

To my accusers, aside from what I commented on in my initial rundown, is there any commentary you wish that I provide on any specific subject?
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Post Post #242 (ISO) » Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:34 am

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Primate – Is the deadline still in effect? Because I’ve only just got here and made an analysis, and haven’t had a chance to vote.


I’ll post the analysis anyway!
OK, having read through only once, here is my current analysis of each player. I apologise in advance for gender confusion, and the fact that I can’t read post numbers!

YagamiLight - In post #58, she votes for Phate, and then in post #60, says she doesn't want to lynch him, saying it's not enough to lynch. She makes the point that Phate is joking, and says that these are the only things standing out. Could be, as she says in post #59, that she’s just looking for somewhere to place her vote, or could be that she trying to spark discussion, either way, quite pro-town behaviour. Then we don't hear much until post #92, saying she agrees with groinhammer. Since we don’t know what part groinhammer plays, this might just be irrelevant. Or possibly two scum buddies (highly doubtful), or two masons, or just casual agreement. Then, in post #104, she posts supporting kabenon. We know that kabenon was pro town, backing up the fact that Yagami is pro-town. However, she hasn’t posted as much as others, but what she does post is good stuff.
Scumdar level – 10%

Theopor_COD/thedragonprincess – Really hasn’t posted much, so not much to point out. The only thing I can find is her backing up of Phate in post #184, and her subsequent vote for spambot. Again, as we don’t know what phate is, we can’t really get much from this, but it is of note for later.
Scumdar level – N/A% (mainly due to there being not enough data!)

Shanba – In post #53, she votes Phate. At this point, the wagon was just beginning to form, so it may not be as random as it says. However, it was probably to spark discussion, and to get Phate to react and defend himself. In post #119, she votes groinhammer, with no reason given. All I ask is, why? In post #191, she says she dislikes the way the wagon on spambot is growing, but in post #102, she said spambot was getting tunnel visioned. However, the problem is (mainly) cleared up now, so is not much of a scum tell.
Scumdar level – 20%

DragonsofSummer – Again, not a lot to go on. In post #115, he backs up Phate, spambot and groinhammer, but says he finds kabenon scummy. This is probably just an analysis. In post #127, he backs up YagamiLight. Since I don’t find Yagami scummy, I don’t really think this is a scumtell.
Scumdar level – 10%

CrashTestDummy/Vampyrussddg/Me – Yes, I would analyse myself, if there was anything to analyse. I hope that I can be of more use than my predecessors.
Scumdar level – 0% (obviously!)

Zakarum/Creampuffeater – Really hasn’t posted anything that’s useful. He’s really just been lurking in plain sight, saying that he doesn’t want to post anything, and has really just been posting so that he’s there. IMO, that’s not a huge scumtell, but might suggest something.
Scumdar level – N/A

Tyhess/mole – err…I can’t really put much here. There isn’t really anything at all. So, if you post a bit more, it might redeem you.
Scumdar level – N/A

Somestrangeflea. – His first post, post #105, doesn’t really contain much at all. In post #196, he backs up spambot, and has a big post about a ‘Too Townie’ argument. Again, there isn’t really a lot here.
Scumdar level – N/A

Groinhammer/elias – Posted quite a bit more than others, so there is more stuff to go on. In post #56, he seems very eager to lynch Phate, but this might just be a townie wanting to lynch the scum. However, this was quite early on in the Phate debate, so could be possible in game scum communication, but this is quit doubtful. We then don’t hear anything until about post #91, where he says he was scared to post. Can I just ask why? If you’re townie, you want more stuff to talk about, not less. Later, in post #111 he says spambot was switching, and adds that he is echoing shanba. This is probably just agreement, but could be something else… However, in post #199, he makes an analysis, saying that he finds shanba scummy (distancing?) but phate pro-town. He also says that he finds a link between phate and shanba. If they’re on opposite sides, how can they be linked? He also adds that he’s suspicious of somestrangeflea for pressurising phate, but then resolves his suspicions.
Scumdar level – 25%

Phate – Now we get interesting! I think Phate has posted the most out of everyone, which means there’s lots to talk about, and lots to use against him, and lots to support him. In the early game, he was very talkative, and made quite a few jokes. This seems mainly having fun. IMO, I think he was got at for a rubbish reason. In post #59, he gets at Yagami for voting, and supports shanba and groinhammer. Seems very slightly tunnel visioned. He defends himself well in post #63. In post #51, he asks for activity, doing nothing in that post to look for scum, however when challenged, he defended well. In many cases, if you’re being targeted, and you switch attention to someone else, that’s seen as a scumtell. In this case, there wasn’t really anyone else to switch to. He was up in a bit of a corner, and got himself out well. When defending himself in post #71, he has a minor slip. He says spambot uses WIFOM, which is fine, but then plays the ‘I’m not very experienced’ card, which managed to slip unnoticed. This may just be him trying to climb out of the hole he dug. Then in post #80, he admits that he’s scummy. Generally a scumtell, but not always. He then realises he has a random votes still on, unvotes and votes Yagami. This makes me rather suspicious. If he was town, he would want to vote for who is scum, and not knowing who he’s voting for makes him seem scummy. However, if he’s scum, he wants to get rid of the townies, so that he can get rid of two people in a night/day cycle. Scum have the real power at night, so he might just be waiting for night to fall, and not worrying about his vote. Moving on, in posts #81 and #109, he is quite rude to kabenon, who had earlier said he was scummy. This may just be retaliation, or broadcasting pro-town-ness by aiming at the most scummy person there is. In #129 he claims a town powerrole. He again plays the ‘I’m not very experienced’ card, and by saying ‘town powerrole’ he doesn’t have to say what. He later says it affects NPCs, but doesn’t say how. This is quite suspicious to me. If he’s a town powerrole, why doesn’t he claim? It would make us less suspicious, and after kabenon claimed, the scum can only get one or the other. The SK just has to be alive, so he’s not going to go for anyone in particular (usually). In post #133, he wants to know what the rest of the town thinks, pehaps trying to appear more friendly and less scum-like. He then doesn’t want to vote for kabenon, and switches to spambot. Seeing as kabenon is pro-town, shows perhaps that he’s pro-town. However, in post # 177, he says it ‘turned out as expected’. If he’s scum, of course it’s going to turn out as expected if they attacked him in the night. On the other hand, if he’s town, he might be showing sympathy, or just saying that he expected the scum to kill one of them. However, why did the scum go for kabenon, rather than Phate?
Scumdar level – 55%

Spambot/kison – Again, there is a lot to talk about here. In the early game, he gets very tunnel visioned, concentrating only on Phate. Either he’s a townie who’s sure he’s scum, or he’s scum either trying to look protown, or doing some major bussing. The fact that he later backs down makes me suspect the latter. In post #78 says he is going to act scummy. Again, often a scumtell. He also voices suspicions about groinhammer. Then, in post #101 votes for kabenon. He seems to be flickering a lot, as if he a scum unsure who other than him looks the most scummy, or a townie doing some unorthodox scumhunting. We then don’t here much for quite a while, and then in post #227 simply says that theopor is ‘Scum’ (exact wording) Why do you find him scummy? While there isn’t a lot here, he does look rather scummy.
Scumdar level – 50%

And a list of the (IMO) scummyist people.

Phate – 55%
Kison – 50%
Elias – 25%
Shanba – 20%
YagamiLight – 10%
DragonofSummer – 10%
Everyone else – N/A because of little posting.

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Post Post #243 (ISO) » Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:37 am

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:!: That was long!
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Post Post #244 (ISO) » Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:54 am

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Is anyone actually still playing this game?
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Post Post #245 (ISO) » Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:14 am

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yah yah I'm here.

Tbh, I'm ever so slightly breathless after that post. Lot's of information in a little space. I don't think it's worth responding to all of it, so I'mma ask you which bits you think I ought to respond to? Which bits do you feel are the most important?
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Post Post #246 (ISO) » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:53 pm

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So are we lynching anyone yet?
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Post Post #247 (ISO) » Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:25 pm

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Yes. Kison. Unless someone wants to do something interesting and create some discussion, in which case I'd reconsider.
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Post Post #248 (ISO) » Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:53 pm

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I'm considering it just to get this game out of this dreadful day 2. NOTHING is happening.
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Post Post #249 (ISO) » Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:55 am

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@shanba - Yeah, after rereading it, I realised that it's mostly fluff. Reading would give you some good insight, but mostly put very simply there are two important points to note -
1. It's a close call between Phate and Kison/Spambot as to who is more scummy. (for reasons stated in the above post.)
2. This game has been plagued by inactivity.
I will shorten the post when I have time to do so.

@Elias - If you want something to happen, then we'll have to make it happen!
Who do you think is the scummyist?
Idea - If everyone posted a list of their top three possible scum, we might get some conversation going.

Announcing, Greggo's TTPS
Phate
Kison
Elias
Logically, by careful analysis of the workings of this primitive device, that is hardly like the machines that I am used to, I have come to the logical conclusion that this is a signature.

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