Mini Normal 1879 Bringer Mafia II [Game Over]

[WhemeStar]

Yah go fro99er you rock!

Why did you say this about my case on sheep, if you thought it was weak?

It wasn't meant to be taken seriously, more like a joke post. Look @ the posts before it and the one after it too. Most if not all of them are joke posts.

[WhemeStar]

Calling absolute bull on this one. Show me the receipts.

The only person I've "attacked" for filler so far has been Gerroat. I quoted all of WhemeStar's initial posts to prove against their statement that they already explained their vote against Hawk in the first couple of pages—which they really didn't.

Also, the bold text in your quote suggests you see me as a lurker. Care to elaborate on that? Since I've been added as a replacement I've been on top of this game fully.

Now about avoiding conflict, I have two responses to that:

• I'm not. I don't exactly see how calling out two players (Fro99er, Naomi) for their play styles and persisting that a player justifies their vote (WhemeStar) constitutes "avoiding conflict."
  
  
• If I was, what exactly would your point be? Avoiding conflict isn't necessarily a bad thing, particularly this early in the game. Right now we're still about deliberation and facilitating discussion. I don't have to be going at people like Fro99er is Cooperative Sheep to advance the game in this stage.

Okay,

now

I'm really leaving for the day. Just had to respond to that one.

this is not a towny response to pressure. Strong emotion without really wolf reading him, just wanting to prove him wrong and get him on another path. This last sentence especially shows he was just

responding

, and not doing anything active in terms of solving the player he lashed out on.

Simple defense isn't really something towns get super engaged in unless they're really forced to IME,

and even in that they constantly consider the pushing person's alignment more than i see this post doing.

Apologies, but I'm afraid I don't understand at all what you're getting at here. You dislike my post because you feel the emotion in it is too strong against a player I haven't explicitly stated as scum—I trust that's what you mean by "wolf read?" Are you saying that players should only defend themselves against players they feel are scum? And, to confirm, are you saying by the bold text that it's a scum tell to defend yourself before being threatened with action of lynch? If so, you'd be seriously wrong.

And, yes, my post was a response to Lowell without offering any read on him. You're saying that's a scum tell?

basically, im saying you investigating the accuser back usually comes naturally as town, even if it isn't the main pupose of the post, you usually can notice it. I didn't. And scum does that more yes. But nvm that for now, I just caught a scum

Want me to reveal?

[Terata]

look a the 2 statements i bolded and be amazed

and then look at the sentence right after. I said i find it suspicious he hasnt been posting, but at the same time would mafia really do that?

you said YOU found that suspicious, not that it would appear suspicious to others and therefore a wolf wouldn't do that. COMPLETELY different

[Terata]

Calling absolute bull on this one. Show me the receipts.

The only person I've "attacked" for filler so far has been Gerroat. I quoted all of WhemeStar's initial posts to prove against their statement that they already explained their vote against Hawk in the first couple of pages—which they really didn't.

Also, the bold text in your quote suggests you see me as a lurker. Care to elaborate on that? Since I've been added as a replacement I've been on top of this game fully.

Now about avoiding conflict, I have two responses to that:

• I'm not. I don't exactly see how calling out two players (Fro99er, Naomi) for their play styles and persisting that a player justifies their vote (WhemeStar) constitutes "avoiding conflict."
  
  
• If I was, what exactly would your point be? Avoiding conflict isn't necessarily a bad thing, particularly this early in the game. Right now we're still about deliberation and facilitating discussion. I don't have to be going at people like Fro99er is Cooperative Sheep to advance the game in this stage.

Okay,

now

I'm really leaving for the day. Just had to respond to that one.

this is not a towny response to pressure. Strong emotion without really wolf reading him, just wanting to prove him wrong and get him on another path. This last sentence especially shows he was just

responding

, and not doing anything active in terms of solving the player he lashed out on.

Simple defense isn't really something towns get super engaged in unless they're really forced to IME,

and even in that they constantly consider the pushing person's alignment more than i see this post doing.

Apologies, but I'm afraid I don't understand at all what you're getting at here. You dislike my post because you feel the emotion in it is too strong against a player I haven't explicitly stated as scum—I trust that's what you mean by "wolf read?" Are you saying that players should only defend themselves against players they feel are scum? And, to confirm, are you saying by the bold text that it's a scum tell to defend yourself before being threatened with action of lynch? If so, you'd be seriously wrong.

And, yes, my post was a response to Lowell without offering any read on him. You're saying that's a scum tell?

basically, im saying you investigating the accuser back usually comes naturally as town, even if it isn't the main pupose of the post, you usually can notice it. I didn't. And scum does that more yes. But nvm that for now, I just caught a scum

Want me to reveal?

no..

[WhemeStar]

If you think I'm scum I'm more than happy too. I feel your reaching with post #477. Yes, I find it suspicious that all his posts are useless, but at the same time I don't think that a scum would purposely seem suspicious

[Terata]

If you think I'm scum I'm more than happy too. I feel your reaching with post #477. Yes, I find it suspicious that all his posts are useless, but at the same time I don't think that a scum would purposely seem suspicious

but then you don't find it suspicious...

[WhemeStar]

If you think I'm scum I'm more than happy too. I feel your reaching with post #477. Yes, I find it suspicious that all his posts are useless, but at the same time I don't think that a scum would purposely seem suspicious

but then you don't find it suspicious...

Yes, I do find it suspicious, but why would a scum want to be suspicious?

[Fro99er]

Yo Mitchell.

terata is town.

I think he's made an excellent case against WhemeStar. Are you basing your town read on him entirely on that?

No. I've already gone into great detail on my terata town read. It's in my ISO.

[Fro99er]

Want me to reveal?

Scum excited for his fakeclaim

[Fro99er]

Want me to reveal?

Scum excited for his fakeclaim

either that or appeasing town again. "oh town please just tell me when to reveal"

one or the other. either way saying that sucks.

[Terata]

If you think I'm scum I'm more than happy too. I feel your reaching with post #477. Yes, I find it suspicious that all his posts are useless, but at the same time I don't think that a scum would purposely seem suspicious

but then you don't find it suspicious...

Yes, I do find it suspicious, but why would a scum want to be suspicious?

i get your logic, but if your final conclusion is that he's town for what he's doing, then you're not finding his play suspicious. Then you're just expecting others to find it suspicious and therefore it's not suspicious to you. Like i wouldn't necessarily have a problem with you going back on what you mean, but it looks to me like you wanted to shade Gerry and mention he's been worse than you but also keep your earlier read because it's one of the original few you had. I feel like that's a strong scum motive that fits together

[Fro99er]

If you think I'm scum I'm more than happy too.

I barfed

[Terata]

i really feel like this is not inexperienced town but inexperienced scum. but im gonna feel so bad if im wrong :/

[WhemeStar]

No, I'm not throwing shade at him, I was just trying to voice my explanation on why I thought he could be town. Which started with his useless posts.

[Terata]

hmm. i re-read that part. I thought on the first read that the "But I don't think mafia would do what gerry is doing" was only regarding the taking cred for the slip, but i see now you kinda made clear it was a summary of his play. so i kinda retract half of that point (even if i dislike how you mentioned that he was worse than you AND how you helf fast the point that Gerry wasn't the one pointing out the slip)

Actually, can you respond to that? Why you don't listen to Frogg saying it WAS gerry who pointed out Sheep's slip?

[WhemeStar]

Just looked @ page 1 and 2, and yes Gerry did point out the slip, not froggy. I thought froggy was responding to the slip @ post 23, but that was a different post of sheep's.

[Terata]

Does your read somehow change on Gerry knowing that or is it as strong for the other reason in that he's not solved

[WhemeStar]

No, it doesn't change my read on him, but what does "he's not solved mean?"

[Fro99er]

VOTE: WhemeStar

Wheme, what are your thoughts on Sheep and the quick L-2 wagon on him?

I think their both town, froggy dude pushing him to get reactions out of others. And it worked, which makes me suspect Lil Uzi, Hawk, and Gerryoak.

I'll keep my vote on Uzi.

How come you never tried to push and poke at LUV, Hawk, and Gerry more?

You just were content to be on any one of the three.

You still haven't tried to sort them, just moved over to Lowell. What happened to your read of LUV and Hawk? You've now ruled Gerry null-town, I guess, but not from your own pressure of that spot.

[Terata]

No, it doesn't change my read on him, but what does "he's not solved mean?"

well your read on him is that he's not been solving the game, and wolves wouldn't do that no? that's what i meant.

and ok.

What's your read on me?

[WhemeStar]

No, it doesn't change my read on him, but what does "he's not solved mean?"

well your read on him is that he's not been solving the game, and wolves wouldn't do that no? that's what i meant.

and ok.

What's your read on me?

Your town, I like how your pushing me and other players.

[WhemeStar]

VOTE: WhemeStar

Wheme, what are your thoughts on Sheep and the quick L-2 wagon on him?

I think their both town, froggy dude pushing him to get reactions out of others. And it worked, which makes me suspect Lil Uzi, Hawk, and Gerryoak.

I'll keep my vote on Uzi.

How come you never tried to push and poke at LUV, Hawk, and Gerry more?

You just were content to be on any one of the three.

You still haven't tried to sort them, just moved over to Lowell. What happened to your read of LUV and Hawk? You've now ruled Gerry null-town, I guess, but not from your own pressure of that spot.

Forgot about them, I really only had a FOS on them, and in previous pages they haven't said much that gives me a read on them.

[Terata]

No, it doesn't change my read on him, but what does "he's not solved mean?"

well your read on him is that he's not been solving the game, and wolves wouldn't do that no? that's what i meant.

and ok.

What's your read on me?

Your town, I like how your pushing me and other players.

Which other players specifically?

[WhemeStar]

No, it doesn't change my read on him, but what does "he's not solved mean?"

well your read on him is that he's not been solving the game, and wolves wouldn't do that no? that's what i meant.

and ok.

What's your read on me?

Your town, I like how your pushing me and other players.

Which other players specifically?

Lil Uzi early on, and Chaos.

[Terata]

can you actually give a full reads list. I didn't know you had me town for example. Maybe there are more hidden people in there. you don't have to give more than names if you don't want to, but a few keywords each would be widely appriciated if you have the time