Mini 1877: Spyro the Dragon (Game Over)

[SirCakez]

I will catch up after school because I can't feel my hands right now ^.^

[SirCakez]

Stream of consciousness atchup notes

-Gin is probably town for poking the beehive that is Elsa and Anna.
-Leon dodging Gin vs EA on pg 1 is scummy.
-Aella is scummy for same reason
-Reserving judgement on EA until later due to my awful record of reading them, mainly RC
-RagingSpammers is awktown
-Leonshade's posting later on did not impress me at all either.
-Definitely not trying to read Magna yet after The Thing
-i'm already skimming gg, too many posts from the same people.
-ProHawk gut town
-ignoring Not_Mafia and his shitposting, someone should vig him

VOTE: leonshade
tl;dr spam less

[SirCakez]

I'm excited

[SirCakez]

RagingSpammers' posting on the last page was town but jfc can you not live up to your name thanks.

eager if NM is getting vigged, why are you still voting him?

[SirCakez]

Stream of consciousness atchup notes

-Gin is probably town for poking the beehive that is Elsa and Anna.
-Leon dodging Gin vs EA on pg 1 is scummy.
-Aella is scummy for same reason
-Reserving judgement on EA until later due to my awful record of reading them, mainly RC
-RagingSpammers is awktown
-Leonshade's posting later on did not impress me at all either.
-Definitely not trying to read Magna yet after The Thing
-i'm already skimming gg, too many posts from the same people.
-ProHawk gut town
-ignoring Not_Mafia and his shitposting, someone should vig him

VOTE: leonshade
tl;dr spam less

Talk to me about what you're scumreading about me, outside my page 1 post.

Now that you've started posting good content, nothing actually. I do like how you're getting super engaged now and I think my early analysis of lurky scum is wrong so I'm going to rethink.

RagingSpammers' posting on the last page was town but jfc can you not live up to your name thanks.

eager if NM is getting vigged, why are you still voting him?

What was town about RS's posting?

They kept doing the same awkward posts despite getting a lot of shit for them. Like if I'm RS scum and start getting a lot of scumreads for awkwardness then I'm going to want to back off and start rethinking posting, not keep hyperposting.

Ya see, my votes going towards Not_Mafia because he's doing jack all besides utterly inexcusable accusations and shit posting.

This is a copout vote. It's super easy to be voting Not Maf right now because he's being a troll, but he's always a troll. He's going to be getting death either way, so this looks like just a way to avoid real scumhunting.

Uh Titus this is not Titusville, you don't decide who is dying. There's 13 of us here (16 if you consider hydras).

Eager answer my question pls (even though you have since changed your vote).

My read on gin hasn't changed

My read on Elsa is changing

What's the point of saying this if you aren't going to mention the actual read? Just looks like fluff otherwise.

UNVOTE:
Now to read all of these posts that happened while I was writing <.<

[SirCakez]

Ok before I review: Gin what do you think of snake vs elsa/anna?

[SirCakez]

Lol

What

You guys are garbage or scum? Huh?

Where are the good players at?

You didn't shoot anything.

You're probably scum tbh but hey if I'm wrong then I'm just as wrong as you are about me eh

I have to spoon feed this shit to you guys??

Yeah this series of posting along with the deflection Leon mentioned is really crappy. Looks like scum eager from ttyll.

VOTE: eager

Ok thanks lane. Wanted to make sure you actually could back that up.

[SirCakez]

What do you think about everything he's posted since not giving the readslist? That's the stuff I'm finding incriminating. I agree that being lazy and not posting a readslist isn't AI.

[SirCakez]

Looks like scum eager from ttyll.

STOP RIGHT THERE.

How is this scum eager from ttyll?

Scum eager from ttyll lurked the first 3 days and let himself get prodded each time before posting a prodgy post

I'm referring to when you came under pressure from Wisdom and started up a ton of flaming. That looks similar to this, except Wisdom = Elsa/Anna.

[SirCakez]

I'm starting to feel like lynching lynch bait when they call themselves lynchbait so they have an incentive to stop being lynchbait.

Stop purposefully playing like shit and then saying you're lynchbait.

How do you know it's purposeful?
Either way being willing to lynch lynch bait just because they want to play like lynch bait is baaaaaaaaaad.
You're scummy for attacking their playstyle.
-Ali

This is actually shit though.
If you know you're playing like lynchbait, then why are you still doing it????

I started the pressure on Wisdom, SC. As soon as day 3 started, and I did not let up. It was a Red Herring. And I never flamed anyone.

You look like scum Sir Cakez from Blood on the Streets mafia.

Rereading your ISO, you are correct about that. mb.

You were however, rather obnoxious to people you were arguing with in that game and I'm seeing the same thing here.
And that's an accusation that looks pulled out of your ass.

P-edit: wtf??

I don't believe it for a god damn second

UNVOTE:

[SirCakez]

Seriously Gin.
Pretty sure he softed vig by now
You need me to point out the soft?
Really Gin? Cause it was obvious
Obvious as all fucking hell.

Come on Gin.
Can't you see that stuff?

VOTE: Snakey
-Ali

WTF are you doing RS?
I'm getting to the point where I almost want to PL you.

Regardless eager is probably town with that claim and his earlier soft so

VOTE: Aella
This looks like scum hiding in the sidelines, avoiding real conflict

[SirCakez]

and also it's like 99% town

[SirCakez]

Personally Id like to hear from more players at this point

Like yourself?

VOTE: Eagersnake

Fuck you. get pled

Stop this.

[SirCakez]

Not me Id like to hear from MoI/Massive/Prohawk tho

I mean we basically know nothing about what YOU think. Give some content.

Gin good find on ProHawk, I hadn't been paying attention to him. He should say what the point of all of those questions were.

[SirCakez]

I've been saying who I think is town for a minute now @__@

I mean you're throwing out reads but there's nothing backing them up.
Who do you think is scum?

P-edit: Well yeah when someone points out a scummy player who's been under the radar more then one person is gonna notice it.
P-p-edit: lmao

[SirCakez]

I do think there's scum in MoI/Massive/Not_Mafia tho

This scumpool is kinda sketchy
There's a lurker who always lurks, a troll and an unreadable wallposter

Why are these three scum?

[SirCakez]

I don't have any tells or anything I just think there are people here more likely be town than the others

Then where did you pull that scumpool from?

not a single post pinged you as a scum post?

To confirm, do you concur that I can say you don't have a single read of a post that you find scummy?

There are things here and there that I noted, I think MoI's argument with Elsa was kind of dumb and I didn't see why he was harping on it


Massive's vote on RS didn't look too good to me either, like RS mentioned earlier


Other than that nah

I thought you didn't have any tells...

Spoiler:

lol, what kind of analysis could you do on me? I haven't even hardly been playing.

Holy F - When did this game start?

Anyone want to tell me the reason why this post was worth making? Especially considering a PM about day start was given. Also with the daystart PM being only 8 hours difference from when he made his post to when the PM was sent.

The post reads as useless and fake given the conditions that it was made under.

Rc starts a lot of games accusing someone to be their scum partner to find a scum like you - attacking back

Can you point to a game where this has happened? - Specifically where scum attacked RC for starting the game in a similar manner.

why does verifying that meta matter actually?

I want to know if this is real, or just a knee-jerk reaction to "RC does this all the time". - This I do not doubt.

What I doubt is that RC was town doing this while scum - specifically scum attacked her for it.

These two questions, I'm actually at a loss as for why he asked them because he didn't do anything with the questions. He asked the questions to just ask something.

It's like sometimes I can sit back and realize and admit I might be wrong about something

Is this what you are doing? Admiting that you were/are wrong?

This furthers what I just said above. This question is not one that is used to see if something is AI. It did nothing and again, it's a question that looks fake, one that you would say to fake being productive.

Super duper behind, will dedicate time tonight.

The beloved catch up posters. TwoFace in mini nor-1862, played catch up, Large Normal 200, Wraith played catch up, etc.

My memory still serves me blank from a town catch up poster. Catch up posting is really an excuse to lurk the thread, judge the opinion of the crowd and spit out ideas that have been hashed out so people agree with "your reads" when really you fake them based off of what they like.

First post because this game has an inordinate amount of activity. Wasn't asking literally when the game started, more a comment of the level of activity.

I haven't had time to do anything with the few posts I have made. Been busy.

Your analysis that catch-up posting is wrong. If you dont freaking have time to read the game because of people who have more time to play than others, what the hell are you supposed to do?

Well one thing you're not supposed to do is get super denfensive and hide behind the same excuse.
VOTE: ProHawk
-Ali

Oh you mean the truth?

What response were you expecting from me? And how is that being super defensive?

Scum posting
Only holding off from voting that because of the replaceout

[SirCakez]

POE

So then what were those other reasons you mentioned?
<.<

Scum posting
Only holding off from voting that because of the replaceout

Is it just me, or do I think this is a shitty reason for not voting them.
-Ali

What's the point of voting an empty slot? None.

[SirCakez]

To lynch them, same as every other slot

And what about getting a claim or defense from the slot, hmmm?

P-Edit: @Cakez, I know you dont want to vote an empty slot but how does that condition make one town or scum? Considering there was actually discussion held before that?

See above.

massive wagon should be massive rn

What's the reasoning for this beyond lurking? (which is massive 101)

I mean we basically know nothing about what YOU think. Give some content.

Does this look like Town talking to a scum read to you? Sir Cakez’s vote was on Aella at this point. Looks very much like “Be more Town” to a partner.

I can see where your other parts of your read on me come from but this is bogus. I have literally never seen scum perform a "psst psst be more town" kind of post in thread and I'm pretty sure that means you haven't either. It's just a bogus scumtell, like AtE.

[SirCakez]

Can someone tell me the benefit of telling not Mafia my flavor in the neighborhood chat when I told him I won't use it unless I can use it as a masonry?

No. So specifically he’s asking you to spill flavor in the Neighborhood despite his “Down with Hoods” stance in the actual thread?

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I can see where your other parts of your read on me come from but this is bogus. I have literally never seen scum perform a "psst psst be more town" kind of post in thread and I'm pretty sure that means you haven't either. It's just a bogus scumtell, like AtE.

So you just want to shuffle to the side the fact that you were not approaching Aella in that post like a Town player would approach an actual scum-read? Ok.

???
Asking a scumread to give something to better evaluate them on isn't town behavior? TIL

Yeah

How do you guys feel about lynching MoI today

It would be a total tossup

[SirCakez]

I HAVE TWENTY PAGES TO READ WISH ME LUCK

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

Asking a scumread to give something to better evaluate them on isn't town behavior?

No but it is behavior from scum wanting to look Town. Town behavior would be digging into their ISO and Aella’s very weak and surface level reads. Or whatever else you are positing comes from Scum-Aella. But you aren't doing that. Instead you lofted the "Post more" softball their way.

I've already called out Aella's bad reads, you're missing the point.

Don't worry, Not_Mafia is getting vigged tonight.

He basically claimed vig on page 11, which guarantees his lynch on d2 when there's only 1 kill or n1 if there's another vig.

It's bad play, but he's essentially confirmed town.

Ok where the hell did this happen?

It's just I'm sitting here laughing at RC flailing and crying because RC isn't getting what RC wants. I mean everyone tells her how she's wrong but some people don't listen to reason.


Also RC, you actually admitted to saying you could make a case and say shit you found but not producing that...well doesn't help your case. No one cares about your opinion if it isn't evidence based. So get to it young warrior!

This post is atrociously bad discrediting.

I actually don't know sweetie. If you don't have the friendly neighbor thing my vote would be on you.

P-Edit: Lolz I'm not a miller

VOTE: RC

And this followup is terribad too.

MoI has played one game where I was scum. Why don't you ask someone with actual experience with my scum meta, such as Lane who has actually correctly read me as scum every game I've been scum and townread me 'most' of the time where I was town, Sircakez who has extensive play experience with both alignments, or Flubber who was town in the game where I won functional autoloss as scum?

I can confirm this. I can also confirm that, after Science uPick nothing I'm seeing here is really super AI from RC.
That said the reaction of GIn (especially the two I've quoted above) was awful. And I really dislike Aella just sneaking their vote in there too.

My biggest question rn though: we have 3 vig claims apparently (Gin, NM, eager)??? There's no way those are all town.

[SirCakez]

I am willing to be vigged if I am wrong about Gin. I am that convinced that he is scum. The fact that he just got CCed just makes me wonder how no one else is seeing it.

As to whether Infinity is scum? Truthfully I don't know: but I do know that he is scum's MVP up to this point in the game and would cry no tears if he flipped town.

I am probably going to replace out if FA is done. I'll give a final answer tonight. I might be wrong on secondpick Infinity and he might just be an obtuse dumbfuck who legitimately thinks that he can read me.

I am not, however, wrong on Gin. N_M just counterclaimed Gin. I love who everyone is trying to sweep that fact under the rug.

I claimed the same as Gin, that doesn't preclude him from having the same role, especially since we're neighbours whose claimed favour is twins. I feel like town you wouldn't be simplifying that despite your Gin read

Then wtf is this about NM CCing Gin?

[SirCakez]

I DID
But I was skimming because there was literally 500 posts to read and it would have taken me hours to catchup w/o skimming

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

oh I get it I misread the stupid quote
I thought in 1140 Infinity was saying NM claimed Vig on page 11, but he was saying eager claimed vig there. And the CCs are referring to the neighbor claims.
jfc I'm dumb

[SirCakez]

anyways

After reading up I don't have a townread on RC because I know he could easily fake all of this but the wagon on him was full of sketchy people and votes, particularly Aella's sneak-in and Gin's basically OMGUS. MoI voting RC for AtEing (which is super NAI for him, and I'm pretty sure MoI knows that) is also sketchy. I think regardless of his alignment there was scum on that wagon within those three.
Infinity's engagement and entrance was strong enough to redeem the slot for me.

I don't see the point of lynching RC today anyway because we'll know he's scum if he's still alive in a few days and atm it just feels like a total tossup.

P-edit: I see they also both claimed 1-shot rolecop, cool beans.

[SirCakez]

Only voted for E&A/RC after RC faked a guilty so fuck off with that misrep

You don't know about how RC always claims fake guilties?

[SirCakez]

I never played with RC before, I know nothing, she said in the thread that she faked claim guilties before so when she did it, I knew she was lying. I still don't condone lying

I will always find it scummy or worthy of blacklisting a player who uses fake guilties as a means to lynch a player

Then my bad.

That said
RC your guilty isn't fake?

[SirCakez]

I will say that gin could be opportunistic scum. But he'd have to be essentially a god scum to be scum this game so I prefer to wait and see if he gets NKed. Like its so unlikely he's able to fake convincing paranoia, convincing efforts to get the game going, good questions, etc.

Gin is a good player, I don't think it's above him to be scum here.

[SirCakez]

I read Hunger Games 2, so I know what he's capable of

[SirCakez]

Cakez, did you have the alignments when you were spectating that game?

No, but I don't see how that's relevant.

The divergence from Town Cakez at this point is pretty large. Walking Dead is a perfect example of Town SirCakez. There he was active, had opinions, pointed out specific posts and provided reasons why they are scum indicative on a regular basis. There is no engagement here. He pops in to make so very weak posts and is just going with the flow. The “I’m skimming how are we not lynching in the three Vigs” episode shows. He isn’t reading the game for any level of comprehension because as scum he doesn’t have to actually get reads ... he just has to find things he can frame as scummy or that make him look more Town.

Yeah and Walking Dead was over the summer/start of school. I have 1/4 of the time now, so I can't exactly get very engaged. My posting is down sitewide.

I've already called out Aella's bad reads, you're missing the point.

No, I’m really not. Here is every instance where Aella is mentioned in your ISO.
-snip-
Yup that’s the depth of your discussion with Aella. You keep lobbing weak questions at him (where did you get the scum-pool from as an example) and when he says PoE you just drop the matter entirely. And you haven’t followed up with the fact that their level of content has not changed at all from when you said “You wanted to hear more from their slot”. If I wanted to show an example of textbook weak distancing this looks to me like a great place to start.

I pretty clearly called out their crappy reads in those posts.
And I'm still scumreading the slot, so no clue what you're saying here. My vote is still there too. [/quote]

After reading up I don't have a townread on RC because I know he could easily fake all of this but the wagon on him was full of sketchy people and votes, particularly Aella's sneak-in and Gin's basically OMGUS. MoI voting RC for AtEing (which is super NAI for him, and I'm pretty sure MoI knows that) is also sketchy. I think regardless of his alignment there was scum on that wagon within those three.

So you refuses to commit to a Town read on RC but you are concluding that there is scum on the wagon. Speaking of holding your options open …

Yes, because there's this thing called bussing.

Then my bad.

That said
RC your guilty isn't fake?

How does this not get more votes? He’s just finished telling Pine that RC always fake-claims guilties. And the fact that Frozen already claimed Messenger already means there is no chance RC has a “real” Daycop guity much less the fact that I’d doubt Cakez has ever seen an actual Daycop in his games.

RC made this post:

Like I am so, so certain that you are scum this game but you are still not at the level that I would fakeclaim a guilty on you.

which made it look like his claimed guilty on Gin wasn't fake
So yeah I was confused!

[SirCakez]

which made it look like his claimed guilty on Gin wasn't fake

He meant he wouldn't seriously fakeclaim a guilty.

Yeah I figured it out now

@cakez Can you explain why hunger games made you think gin could fake his play here? I didn't read the whole ISO there but he seemed much different.

iirc in Hunger Games while reading I townread the Gin hydra the whole game because of the strength of its analysis and scumhunting. I don't recall any big differences other then him being in a hydra obv.

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

Cakez, can I get a readslist?

At the end of this post

It's not unlikely that we have 1-2 very powerful roles we want to keep hidden.

This is why we shouldn't massclaim, for anyone still supporting that.

Yeah and Walking Dead was over the summer/start of school. I have 1/4 of the time now, so I can't exactly get very engaged. My posting is down sitewide.

It has nothing to do with post volume. It absolutely has to do with lack of any engagement in the post you make. But nice sideline attempt.

With less time and less posts ofc I'm going to be less engaged. They're very intertwined

I pretty clearly called out their crappy reads in those posts.
And I'm still scumreading the slot, so no clue what you're saying here. My vote is still there too.

So you’ve parked your vote on a player that isn’t the main wagon, aren’t doing anything of consequence in pointing out why they are scum (which my summary shows) and claim that I shouldn’t see that as potential distancing?

I literally just showed where I called out Aella scum, wtf?

Yes, because there's this thing called bussing.

Garbage. Of course bussing / distancing exists. It’s why my independent scum reads on you and Aella get enhanced with the interactions I am seeing. But using that fact as an excuse to not commit to an opinion in the present time is scummy fence-sitting.

You were in Science uPick, you should understand why I'm holding off on RC. This is a super special case.

I think not wanting to mass claim and the openly opposing it is blatantly anti-town in this situation

VOTE: MoI

Good vote but the reasoning is bad. Opposing the massclaim is protown here if anything.

It's very unlikely that eager is in fact a strongman. He was fakeclaiming to up the pressure. Now unvote.

Did he say he was fakeclaiming? No he didn't.

I am not unvoting until you prove to me that Strongman is town aligned

This is so absurdly bad I could only see scum pushing it.
Like why would scum claim that strongman here???? There's absolutely no reason. And town Strongman does exist.

now for those reads
Town - RS, eager
Nulltown - Leon, infinity, lane (I'm disregarding the IC claim for this read since it's unconfirmed and could be trolling, if it's legit then he's top town obv)
Null - Flubber, massive, NM
Nullscum - MoI
Scum - Aella, Gin

Special category - RC

VOTE: Gin

[SirCakez]

I don't like that gin vote from cakez

Why tho?

[SirCakez]

I've been scumreading Gin for a while though.
Because he's frustrated with toxicity? I've felt super frustrated as scum before (although I've never replaced out).

[SirCakez]

It could be "this guy so bad and he's going to catch me? fuck that" as scum but I find it more likely that it's "this idiot is going to shoot me? fuck that" or "this guy is so bad and I have to work with him? fuck that" from town

And I didn't realize you were scumreading gin before, fair

Exactly, it could be either. I think the replace out is NAI.

While you're here Cakez: Explain your RS townread and Aella scumread.

I've talked about both already, iso me.

RC stop being mopey and help us run up Gin

[SirCakez]

You were in Science uPick, you should understand why I'm holding off on RC. This is a super special case.

So super special that you also applied the same reasoning to me at the start of the game? Nope.

Also have you not played any other games with RC or his alts beside Science?

Yeah, remember how much shit I got postgame for my read on RC? I'd really rather not repeat that. Thus why I'm bringing it up again.

Let's not massclaim!

[SirCakez]

Oh this ended, gg! Thanks for modding TTH
I got totally carried