Open 669 - Nightless Vengeful Mayhem [Game Over]

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Don't you dare look at him in the eye
As we dance with the devil tonight

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Hi is my slot SUPER TOWNREAD because I'm hoping it is!

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Wow MOI is on a wagon I should vote there.

VOTE: Mozamis

[Nahdia_Superfan]

And for the record that part where Mozamis said that I was obviously town Day 1 was white knighting not defending a scumbuddy~

(That's my way of saying that I have in fact read the game and independently came to the scumread. Or maybe I'm just sheeping MOI ^.^)

[Nahdia_Superfan]

That was a thing that happened!

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Rejoice for scum has been lynched. MOI senpai shall not lead us astray~

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Rejoice for scum has been lynched. MOI senpai shall not lead us astray~

Let's hope anyway

ARE YOU SUGGESTING MOI SENPAI WOULD LEAD US WRONG YOU B-BAKA!

[Nahdia_Superfan]

And you think that SUPERHANS is a SCUMBAKA because of his quickhammer!?

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I c-can't be a scumbaka I'm a citizen how dare you cast these asperions on my character >_<

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Sorry Doomfeathers but I think you're wrong on at least 1/3 and probably 2/3.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

UD can I get a readslist?

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Unvote or I will vote you.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I am not saying that you're wrong. Revan could be scum. I am telling you to slow down.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I know Magna but that post was more of a joke because I independently scumread the slot.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

What's the problem with voting? Also, do you usually use your vote as to threaten people rather than to hunt scum?

Short answer: yes. I came from EM and that's rather commonplace.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

The issue with voting is that I am trying to think my way through the best way to deal with this day phase and I don't want people to start wagons and enable scum quickhammers.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I am going to do nothing in this game until the 4th. I will do my catchup then. Don't vote anyone or get too entrenched in reads between then and now.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Don't vote anyone yet. I have a lot to add to this game but I have major commitments tonight and tomorrow.
I sincerely, sincerely doubt that you have correctly sussed out my alt because I am not playing this like any game that I have ever played.
That said if you had then my play thus far this game which has been called scummy by others would make a ton more sense and you should hard townread me for it.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I think your point MOI is that he tried to tie a bunch of people to Revan to make an excuse for voting them and then hopping back on Revan the next day like nothing happened.
I am going to make no comment as to whether it's a tell or not but I think there are better lynches in this game. He may be scum but just better lynches.
Please don't get too entrenched in any reads.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

And on that note...I think the current Hans push on MOI today is quite humorous (based on the assumed relative disparities in their mafia experience levels and associated auras/experience cred). Kind of like a mouse getting pissed at an elephant. I think it's actually a bit of a town tell for me.

This is unproductive and worthless thinking. Superhans being a new player doesn't make him incapable of detecting experienced scum nor does it make his pushes less valuable unless they're legitimately bad.
I will not be pushing MOI today but I'm not a fan of you dismissing Superhans outright for suggesting it.

Have a good night guys. I promise tons of content tomorrow. Continue to not vote people nor get too entrenched in reads.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Maybe Superhans is scum but he's not today's lynch for reasons that I will get into. That's a good catch but don't vote him or condone anyone else doing so.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

No, I will vote you until you unvote. I am only asking for 24 hours here and there's no real deadline. Give me my time.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Fitz, it's felt to me for a long time like you're trying to buddy MoI. I'm not saying that you're scum for it but is there a reason? do you think he's super town or super skilled or something?

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Showtime.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I want to point out on this page it feels to me like Lucca got scared of me calling Fitz out on the buddying and is now FoSing me for it. Potential scumpartners.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

So, for starters, I think that the Doomfeather slot is town and the Superhans slot is very probably town.
I am very sketched out by some of the reactions to my slot after how townread my predecessors were and it feels like it's coming from scum scared that I am going to break the status quo.
I have been playing this as quiet as I can in the hopes of not being the dayvig target but it seems like no other town is going to step up to the plate so I will try to carry as hard as I can while I am alive.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I also am inclined to think that MoI is town but I am not 100%sies on that read and it's just a lean. If there's a point where there's a choice between lynching one of my real townreads and him you lynch him.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

So assuming that I am right on my townreads that leaves a pool of four people that we are going to want to lynch in today.

<Fitz, Lucca261, ObnoxiousHydra, Revan>

[Nahdia_Superfan]

So from here on out my focus is twofold.

1) I want to try and single out the person who is town if I am correct on my townreads.
AND
2) I want to try to figure out who is

most likely to be scum

if I am wrong on one of my townreads.

The correct lynch today is the person who best fits category 2 while not targetting anyone in category 1.
Keep in mind that if we lynch scum correctly today we gain an additional mislynch. For every scum that dies this game becomes significantly easier.
I do not expect to have a long lifespan from this point on so I will not have much influence on future content so I am going to get as much content as I can out on current gamestate.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

So before we start I am going to clarify my townreads.

1) Doomfeathers

I feel like this is mostly self explanatory and the read is fairly universally held. They seem to be obviously attempting to solve the game. Not much detail to get into.

2) Superhans

I feel like their Revan push is pretty town. I don't think they as scum sit there calling one person scum the whole game. I also think that Revan is highly likely to be scum and I don't think Suxtperhans is just sitting and bussingbussingbussing. I also think that the hammer itself looked somewhat townie; I don't see the point in quickhammering someone who was getting lynched.

3) MoI

This is weaker than the other two but I have a feeling that he may actually somehow have deduced my identity. This being the case I would 100% have expected him to instantly dayvig me; and that's not claiming that he thinks I'm an extreme threat but simply because there's nowhere else to use the dayvig and I would be not just an outside influence but also a (in MoI's view, debatalbly) highly useful one and one that would be inclned to shake things up. I also follow along with his pushes in general; even though I strongly disagree with the Hans one I thought Mozam was scummy too so that inclines me to think positively of his slot.

Gong back into the 'shaking up the power structure thing' is that I feel like scum think they have this game on lock and feel threatened by my replace in. People already in my scumblock like Fitz and Lcca reacting as negatively as they are to me putting in thoughts and opinions that are against the stream of the game correlates with that.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Like I gutread this game as scum kissing MoI's ass and waiting for him to win the game for them. I may be wrong on that view but it's coloured a lot of the way I've been viewing this game.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is my first game where mafia has daytalk, so this is going to be interesting.

UNVOTE:

Question: what are the odds that someone picks up on mafia having daytalk as town?

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Also obligatory how the fuck did you guys lynch Hawk he was bleeding obvious town I am going to smack someone.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Uhh scratch that last one.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I'd like to point out that upon reading Hawk's ISO all of his scumreads have flipped town. Besides Revan.

So if he was killed for his reads, he was killed to protect Revan. And then Revan was saying not to analyze the daykills or nightkills because they're all wifom.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I feel like I want to counterargue something. Yes, there is a tendency for scum to put other scum into nullscum and a tendency for scum to then not vote and avoid bussing or bus way too easily.
That's not what's been happening this game and a look at the votecounts confirms it. The living players did not vote the living players much at all besides like Hans's deathtunnel on Revan.

So it should be really fucking clear to everyone that scum are defending each other and putting each other in their townblocks.
If anyone after I dies implies that scum wouldn't be cheeky enough to hard defend and townread each other then they are scum.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Like besides (what I view as the) scumblock piling onto UD and Superhans there's been very little cross voting. The simple guess of Lucca/Revan/Fitz hasn't voted each other once this game and has had hard townreads on each other from very early on with the support given for it being absolute shit.

I am removing UD from my lynchpool based on that analysis and saying that MoI is far more liable to be scum than he was previously. We are still not lynching him today and I wouldn't lynch him before the scumtrio.
I am going to look for a potential outlier in the Lucca/Revan/Fitz category which at this time seems to be Fitz but I'm not sure.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Yeah, what I read as scum kowtowing to Town!MoI to win them the game could easily be a mutual decision by all 3 scumfucks to form their own pseudo-townblock.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

nstead of Magna doing that, he found the tiniest straw and speculated on it in a way that seemed like: "Hey, I'm certain that this is scum. Look at me analysing this, trying to scumhunt"

I think that now this is more his playstyle than scummy, but it was something interesting to look after, specially on the second pages.

Stuff like this is a very common scumpartner tell but it could still also be buddying so still on the fence here.

Regardless: Lucca is my 100% confident this shit must be murdered with fire read at this point. I will probably be voting for him at the end of my catchup.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Superhans/Doomfeather just remember you need to stick together. The game will come down to you never doubting each other. Don't doubt each other.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I have been misspelling wgeurts since the start. Definitely a difficult username.

Funny how I was so happy I was on page 4, but then there's a page 5.

Sorry for the fluff, needed a breather. Later, will post my initial reads.

For now:

VOTE: Revan

Would like to see more content.

This is the only intra-scumblock vote that I have seen this game and it's purely 'hey I want more content'.
Then Revan posts some absolute bullshit that is totally not related to the game.

lucca261 (it's all gut, idk)

Don't doubt gut reads.

Town are lucca, Revan and Hawk

Huh. This is fitting the scumblock theory a little too well.
UD any thoughts on how you would have had to be dead wrong here and how the only person in your townbloc who was town got dayvigged?

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I'd like to point out that I see absolutely no drive from Lucca to probe anything from Revan.

Honestly, too tired to post and analyse right now.

Will post by the morning.

By now, the Hawk kill seems random. There was not any[thing about his kill that would make anyone townier or scummier. I think that maybe we were going on the right track, and so, they killed Hawk to reset the lynches and try to put paranoia on us.

Ehhh.

UD being kinda towny in their reaction to that dayshot.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I'm stalling out a bit on the Lucca scumread. And also UD.

Revan sticking in the scumpile, Fitz inactive, all my townreads staying townreads. Possible Revan/Fitz/Magna?

[Nahdia_Superfan]

VOTE: Revan

I'm confident that this is the lynch for today. Still reading shit.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

havingfitz are you caught up yet?

*side eyes*

[Nahdia_Superfan]

There's at least 1 scum in {havingfitz, Sesq, Superhans}

Thank you for essentially mod confirming Fitz as scum. I can't tell you how much that I appreciate it

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Alright if I'm wrong to this extent then we're just going to lose anyway so from now on we've got 2 confirmed scumfucks.

{havingfitz, Revan}

[Nahdia_Superfan]

In spite of the votes my conjecture about scum hard defending each other... doesn't seem to have panned out. It's more like the typical throwing FoSes at each other but not actually voting each other.

So I need to review a lot of the more recent shit with that in mind because I was absolutely looking at Lucca's defense of Fitz as cheeky scum but now I'm not so sure.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Superhans is being incredibly town motivated in response to the wagon on Sesq.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I may need to remove Doomfeathers from conftown status after my review of the game.

Superhans is not scum this game however; no ifs ands or buts.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

VOTE: Fitz

THis is the more guaranteed of the two wagons. Both are almost certainly scum but this is just borderline confscum.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I am really starting to think that MoI is just a scumfuck and that Lucca and the rest of the game are town.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Here is an ultimatum Rev. Either you vote Moz or I am voting you. I have my reasons. You have about 24 hours.

There's daytalk. It's still a really interesting move to pull to post this in thread because people will say but why wouldn't they ask this in scum thread durdurdur. I mean it's unreadable without a flip but I'm scumreading MOI here.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

{SuperHans} - Unlynchable. Don't even fucking think about touching my Supertown.
{Doomfeathers, UD} - Both seemed very town overall.
{Lucca} - Mehscum. Reasonably scummy but I think that MoI is more likely to be scum on the whole.
{MoI} - A team of newbscum would have gotten scared and shot him. He's blatantly chainsawed Fitz once but especially Revan this entire game. He needs to die, guaranteed.
{Revan} - Super scummy; just a modicum less scummy than Fitz.
{Fitz} - Literally just not even in consideration to be called town.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

My conclusion, however, is that if I am actually wrong about one of the major scumreads, it is Revan.

There are several Fitz/MoI scumteams that make sense without Revan, but a scumteam without Fitz just doesn't really add up no matter how I parse it.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I am feeling more and more confident that MoI is scum. I want to lower him to the same level as Revan. If this were not LyLo I would be fucking him up right now but I have to take the modicum percentage play here.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Listen I get that a lot of you are townreading MoI but you are wrong. And like I don't have any issues whatsoever reading MoI.
He was shitting on my reads and nearly made a basically autowin game into a loss by how shitty he was playing and I STILL managed to never scumread him.
And then we're in this game and I'm like man this guy is a sickeningly obvious scumfuck. That vote hop onto Mozambis was SO BAD that I am still cringing over it.
I still think Mozambis was scummy in general but the manner in which he ended up voting Mozambis is so exceedingly unlikely to have been town.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

There yall go. There's your catchup and do well with it. I have not lost this setup as town before (in fact I lynched all 3 scum consecutively for a perfect win last time) and I'd rather not start losing well.
Trust my reads please. There is a reason that I am going to be dayvigged as soon as scum log on. If they don't then they are as foolish as they were in my last iteration of this setup.

Good luck.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I had not actuallly read MoI's hop on the wagon. I cited MoI's vote as my reason as a mix of trolling, identity obfuscation, and to try and get him daykilled if he was town.

I replaced in, saw the biggest wagon, read their posts, thought they were scummy and the 'durr we're old hat guys we're so cool because of it' was obnoxious as fuck and wanted them dead.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

And yes Fitz is fantastically scummy in general. I can go over a few things. More importantly, do you understand why I think MoI is scum and will you follow through if I get shot today?

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Besides, everyone knows that MoI aggressively pushing mislynches isn't alignment indicative. He tries to be town leader as scum or town and ends up lynching mostly town either way.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Like I'm glad you're taking my input on Fitz/Revan under consideration but MoI is the one who is going to endgame town if my words aren't heeded here.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I am not a player who finds it easy to do what you are asking me to do. It's a combination of gut, associatives, stuff not making sense in his ISO (buddying MoI while questioning him in the same posts), tons of active lurking with no content, his associatives with my picks for scum being really scummy, his tone (this entire game he's felt really awkward and out of sorts), and the fact that I have a large block of townreads.

What you call easy plays I call dumb. I went along with Mozambis because it had merit but I wouldn't have touched either of the other lynches.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Oh and there's a massive number of posts where he asks questions and never follows up on them. MASSIVE number.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I can't believe we haven't even finished my first game and I already altslipped.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

No one wants to engage with me? >.<

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Lucca, I've seen you online several times and I'd like you to engage with me rather than ignore this game.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Okay, but believe me: there won't be a tomorrow to engage with me. Just please follow my reads. UD is a bit more scummy than I put them down and MOI is a lot more scummy than I put them down but remember.

Yall followed MoI's wagons onto town and got yourselves to LyLo. MoI was universally townread town leader and he never got shot; yet scum were trigger happy enough to shoot Hawk.

That doens't add up whatsoever.

I am so bad at this.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I can be 100% confident that Superhans is town because he is one of the towniest players I have ever played with.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

As for why I am so confident that MoI is scum? I'd like to point out that immediately after replacing in I agreed with your theory that he was just being led by scum. Now I believe that he is scum.
The difference in this case is the specific moments he jumps on wagons. I strongly believe that the jump on the Mozambis wagon was a reaction to Doomfeathers voting Hans.
I may not be able to convince you of that but I feel in my gut that the jump on Mozambis and the timing was really half baked because he needed to do something fast.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Also, I want to point out that literally this entire game HavingFitz and MOI have been alternating throwing shade at each other and buddying yet neither has voted the other.

Town!MoI is paranoid as FUCK about buddying. There is no way he would continue letting Fitz go. It's a transparent scumbuddy/scumbuddy partnership there.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Also, I want to point out that literally this entire game HavingFitz and MOI have been alternating throwing shade at each other and buddying yet neither has voted the other.

Town!MoI is paranoid as FUCK about buddying. There is no way he would continue letting Fitz go. It's a transparent scumbuddy/scumbuddy partnership there.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Like the associatives between MoI and HavingFitz are the point where I seriously consider fakeclaiming as cop with two guilties. They are scum, pure and simple.

COULD I potentially be wrong on Revan? Yes. Revan is the one scum I am least sure about and if after lynching MoI and Fitz you think that it's not Revan? Sure, vote elsewhere.

Just don't touch Doomfeather or Superhans who are both town and when neither of them get lynched town wins this game.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I am the least sure about Revan but they are still probably scum.

I know like beyond the shadow of a doubt that Fitz/MoI are scum. When they're dead I truly don't give a shit who you lynch.

What matters to win this game Superhans is that you never vote Doomfeather. What matters to win this game Doomfeather is that you never vote Hans.
If you are town that is not one of those two people you are never going to vote either of them even to save your life because town will eventually win by attrition.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I agree with you. I think the most likely explanation is that MoI has been hard pushing lynches to keep Revan from being lynched. However, it's ALSO possible that Revan is town and kept around to LyLo for you to lynch him here.
Lucca is possible scum and was in my original scumblock theory and I note that he literally just waffled on MoI and said NOPE to fitz scum. UD seems really unlikely but like, hey maybe they're playing a fucking great scumgame.
But Fitz has to get lynched today and MoI has to get lynched tomorrow.

HOLY FUCKING CHRIST FROM NOW ON I AM NEVER GOING TO HAVE MORE THAN 2 ACCOUNTS ACTIVE IN GAMES AT ONCE THIS IS LITERAL CANCER

[Nahdia_Superfan]

And yeah since my main got outed anyway and I've made myself the obligatory dayvig kill let me show you my last game in this setup

Yeah, that's probably a good idea superhans. I'm actually using IE for my other current secret alt but I flubbed it this game cuz I didn't go as seriousmode about hiding this one.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Same goes to you Revan. In hindsight I am liking your slot more and more. You took contrarian stances and stood up for yourself. I think that you are actually probably town and that Lucca is the last scum.

You agree that Fitz is scum. That's a good read. We disagree on a lot but we have common ground there and you need to vote with town here.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

UD, I'm pretty sure I know at least one of your heads. I'm counting on you guys.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

And remember: once the dominos start falling it doesn't matter if you get lynched. MoI and Fitz down and you have two conftown in Hans and Doom leaves the game over.

Just go up the list and the game will be a win.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

@Hans because Revan has been a lurker fuck but isn't actually egregiously scummy and I can see MoI keeping Revan alive so that he can use you to lynch them today.
Revan took several intriguing contrarian stances and has just generally struck me as being wrong but for the right reasons if that sort of makes sense.
I'm not saying they're definitely town and when MoI and Fitz are down go the fuck ahead because it's 90% in Lucca/Revan and like 10% UD.
But Fitz/MoI are the next two lynches and that can't be stalled for anything.

Scum thought they had this game in the bag. Prove them wrong. lynch Fitz then MoI.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

If Revan is town I think they just shot Hawk because he was obvtown. There's been no universal townreads besides *COUGH SCUMFUCK* MoI *COUGH* so they haven't been shooting.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Nah. Hawk was obvtown and he has a good head on his shoulders, though his reads up to that point were meh. It would not surprise me at all if scum wanted him out of the game.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

{Doomfeathers, Superhans}
{UD}
{Revan}
{Lucca}
{Fitz, MoI}

Final. I am going to bed.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Don't forget me and don't allow me to be discredited by scumfucks. powerwagon Fitz. powerwagon MoI. lynch Revan/UD/Lucca however you see fit, Doom/Hans. GL.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Thank you. Sorry that scum has been discrediting you this whole game, you've done good so far.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

I would prefer that you vote Fitz first because I'm like 99.9% certain Fitz is scum vs 99.6% certain MoI is scum and I think that Fitz is more palatable as a wagon anyway.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

He's not, I promise you. Like I am fine on principle with lynching MoI first but I think that will be harder to do and every single living town needs to vote scum for scum to get lynched today.

I really don't want town getting divided on two scum wagons and letting scum get a lynch on town through

[Nahdia_Superfan]

Like go ahead and vote MoI but if push comes to shove and UD/Revan/Doom/Lucca are voting Fitz you need to lynch Fitz with them.

The longer it takes for ScumFitz and ScumMoI to get lynched the more chance that one town gets cold feet and starts getting paranoid in the townblock.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

#1 weapon that faces you guys is attrition when I'm dead. If the game drags on people's faith in the scumblock will wane and the lynch will get harder and harder.

Town needs to be super fucking decisive from here on in. No long discussion periods, no discussing shit with scumMoI and scumFitz. Just fucking murder them in cold blood.

[Nahdia_Superfan]

When MoI and Fitz are dead take all the time you want for the future lynches. But they need to die lightning quick before anyone can get cold feet.