Open 669 - Nightless Vengeful Mayhem [Game Over]

Nahdia_Superfan · Post Post #1075 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:24 pm

{SuperHans} - Unlynchable. Don't even fucking think about touching my Supertown.
{Doomfeathers, UD} - Both seemed very town overall.
{Lucca} - Mehscum. Reasonably scummy but I think that MoI is more likely to be scum on the whole.
{MoI} - A team of newbscum would have gotten scared and shot him. He's blatantly chainsawed Fitz once but especially Revan this entire game. He needs to die, guaranteed.
{Revan} - Super scummy; just a modicum less scummy than Fitz.
{Fitz} - Literally just not even in consideration to be called town.

Nahdia_Superfan · Post Post #1076 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:26 pm

My conclusion, however, is that if I am actually wrong about one of the major scumreads, it is Revan.

There are several Fitz/MoI scumteams that make sense without Revan, but a scumteam without Fitz just doesn't really add up no matter how I parse it.

Nahdia_Superfan · Post Post #1077 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:27 pm

I am feeling more and more confident that MoI is scum. I want to lower him to the same level as Revan. If this were not LyLo I would be fucking him up right now but I have to take the modicum percentage play here.

Nahdia_Superfan · Post Post #1078 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:29 pm

Listen I get that a lot of you are townreading MoI but you are wrong. And like I don't have any issues whatsoever reading MoI.
He was shitting on my reads and nearly made a basically autowin game into a loss by how shitty he was playing and I STILL managed to never scumread him.
And then we're in this game and I'm like man this guy is a sickeningly obvious scumfuck. That vote hop onto Mozambis was SO BAD that I am still cringing over it.
I still think Mozambis was scummy in general but the manner in which he ended up voting Mozambis is so exceedingly unlikely to have been town.

Nahdia_Superfan · Post Post #1079 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:32 pm

There yall go. There's your catchup and do well with it. I have not lost this setup as town before (in fact I lynched all 3 scum consecutively for a perfect win last time) and I'd rather not start losing well.
Trust my reads please. There is a reason that I am going to be dayvigged as soon as scum log on. If they don't then they are as foolish as they were in my last iteration of this setup.

Good luck.

karnos · Post Post #1080 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:05 pm

Vote Count 3.2

havingfitz

(1): Nahdia_Superfan

Revan

(0):

Nahdia_Superfan

Not Voting

(8): Magnaofillusion, Revan, Ultimate Despair, lucca261, Superhans, doomfeathers, havingfitz

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

(expired on 2017-02-16 12:15:01) until deadline.

Ultimate Despair · Post Post #1081 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:03 pm

So at first glance a lot of what you says seems to make some sense. However,

In post 1078, Nahdia_Superfan wrote:And then we're in this game and I'm like man this guy is a sickeningly obvious scumfuck. That vote hop onto Mozambis was SO BAD that I am still cringing over it.

given that MOI's hop on was so awful in the first place, why did you choose to sheep it?

Ultimate Despair · Post Post #1082 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:24 pm

Spoiler: VC Data

Ultimate Despair · Post Post #1083 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:30 pm

So let's see what a fitz/magna team might look like:

Spoiler:

I'm not going to say no off the bat, but that would certainly be a pretty aggressive scum team, especially on Magna's part. No sitting back and watching town eat itself, but rather driving the action and happily being on big town wagons and helping push them through.

Kinda want to mull that over I think.

-M

Ultimate Despair · Post Post #1084 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:32 pm

In post 1029, havingfitz wrote:
In post 1026, Ultimate Despair wrote:
In post 737, havingfitz wrote:I didn't like the oopshammer.
I disagree. I think if I had known it was a hammer I would have done it anyway. I wanted FC lynched and extra discussion wasn't doing the town any good.
You disagree that I didn't like your oopshammer? Cause I didn't. It just wasn't worth fussing over when you had a plausible excuse with the mod's erroneous L-# in his last vote count.

Do you think Hans would have hammered if he'd known (according to him) that it wasn't an accident? And would that have effected your take on his hammer?

Fitz, can you explain why you responded to this as if Junko was disagreeing that you disliked the oopshammer (which would have been a pretty inspid time-wasting post on her part) as opposed to the much more obvious interpretation that she disagreed that the oopshammer SHOULD be disliked?

-M

Ultimate Despair · Post Post #1085 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:35 pm

@mod: Revan is due another prod I believe.

@Revan: what exactly is your headspace these days? You'd talked about wanting to provide content, and you'd be substantiating your reads, but it's been days and there's been nothing.

-M

Ultimate Despair · Post Post #1086 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:51 pm

In post 1075, Nahdia_Superfan wrote:{Fitz} - Literally just not even in consideration to be called town.

So can you talk about fitz a bit more here? It seems like your read on him is substantially gamestate and connections-related; has he been making specifically scummy posts in your mind as well, or is basically just a "the game state doesn't make sense unless he's scum" sort of thing?

I'll spend some time digging more into him as well, but I'd like you to flesh out your read of him a bit more, focusing on him specifically if possible.

-M

Nahdia_Superfan · Post Post #1087 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:33 pm

I had not actuallly read MoI's hop on the wagon. I cited MoI's vote as my reason as a mix of trolling, identity obfuscation, and to try and get him daykilled if he was town.

I replaced in, saw the biggest wagon, read their posts, thought they were scummy and the 'durr we're old hat guys we're so cool because of it' was obnoxious as fuck and wanted them dead.

Nahdia_Superfan · Post Post #1088 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:34 pm

And yes Fitz is fantastically scummy in general. I can go over a few things. More importantly, do you understand why I think MoI is scum and will you follow through if I get shot today?

Nahdia_Superfan · Post Post #1089 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:40 pm

Besides, everyone knows that MoI aggressively pushing mislynches isn't alignment indicative. He tries to be town leader as scum or town and ends up lynching mostly town either way.

Nahdia_Superfan · Post Post #1090 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:41 pm

Like I'm glad you're taking my input on Fitz/Revan under consideration but MoI is the one who is going to endgame town if my words aren't heeded here.

Ultimate Despair · Post Post #1091 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:57 pm

FWIW, I don't really know Magna that well, so I can't weigh in on his meta. If you're asking whether I'm willing to lynch him, potentially. Once we get scum flips it'll be easier to figure out connections and whether anyone's been decently spewed scum or town.

If you're asking whether I'm 100% sold on him being scum and will auto-lynch him if/when you get shot, not really. I'm willing to listen and think on it (if nothing else, the fact that the "easy play" has pretty consistently been wrong is pretty decent evidence that there's at least one high-quality scum pulling the strings), but I'd be lying if I said I was right there w you right now.

Frankly, I still need to do a full readthrough, and I've been putting it off to some degree (and certainly won't be doing it tomorrow given the super bowl), so I'm trying to keep an open mind and not rush to any conclusions.

-M

PS It would be helpful if you highlighted what from fitz in particular seems super scummy given that he's your current primary push.

Nahdia_Superfan · Post Post #1092 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:24 pm

I am not a player who finds it easy to do what you are asking me to do. It's a combination of gut, associatives, stuff not making sense in his ISO (buddying MoI while questioning him in the same posts), tons of active lurking with no content, his associatives with my picks for scum being really scummy, his tone (this entire game he's felt really awkward and out of sorts), and the fact that I have a large block of townreads.

What you call easy plays I call dumb. I went along with Mozambis because it had merit but I wouldn't have touched either of the other lynches.

Nahdia_Superfan · Post Post #1093 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:25 pm

Oh and there's a massive number of posts where he asks questions and never follows up on them. MASSIVE number.

Ultimate Despair · Post Post #1094 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:29 pm

In post 1093, Nahdia_Superfan wrote:Oh and there's a massive number of posts where he asks questions and never follows up on them. MASSIVE number.

well THAT I can definitely get behind. Will dig around and see if I agree. Possibly tomorrow night, possibly mondya.
-M

Nahdia_Superfan · Post Post #1095 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:35 pm

I can't believe we haven't even finished my first game and I already altslipped.

doomfeathers · Post Post #1096 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:46 pm

@MOD: V/LA until 5:00 PM Monday, CST. I may post before then if I get a chance.

Nahdia_Superfan · Post Post #1097 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:48 pm

No one wants to engage with me? >.<

Ultimate Despair · Post Post #1098 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:51 pm

well im sort of here but it's also saturday night and i don't want to actually do real thinking *shrugs*

Nahdia_Superfan · Post Post #1099 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:41 pm

Lucca, I've seen you online several times and I'd like you to engage with me rather than ignore this game.