Mafia 72: Peril in Panama - Game over!

[curiouskarmadog]

jesus christ ABR is in this game too? so many choices..

vote battle mage

,

for all of the future scummy crap you will end up doing.

[curiouskarmadog]

hmm CKD I think your overreacting towards Battle Mage,

unvote, vote CKD

wait a sec...

lol, and it begins a new.

[curiouskarmadog]

and now your reacting to my responce to you overreacting... we need a 20 page discussion on this...

welcome to my aneurysm, if those SA kids were here I am sure it would turn into one.

[curiouskarmadog]

hmm CKD I think your overreacting towards Battle Mage,

unvote, vote CKD

wait a sec...

I agree. BANDWAGON!

Vote: CKD

see post 8

[curiouskarmadog]

I think I'm beginning to see why some people hate the random voting that starts off every game.

When townies start doing joking uber-scummy posts, nothing can really be learned from it. And if you can't learn anything from it then it's useless.

how do

you

know the jokes are coming from townies?..

[curiouskarmadog]

Joking about produces responses. No responses means no info.

I didn't say it didn't produce responses. I said it didn't produce useful responses.

it produced this thread of conversation...I, too, didnt like your use of the word "townies", almost implies you know what everyone joking were townies..slip up, this early? Hard to tell....lets move to the pressure stage.

unvote, vote unright

what was your motivation behind letting us know you didnt like the random vote (joking) stage?

[curiouskarmadog]

first "what"=that

[curiouskarmadog]

Joking about produces responses. No responses means no info.

I didn't say it didn't produce responses. I said it didn't produce useful responses.

it produced this thread of conversation...I, too, didnt like your use of the word "townies", almost implies you know what everyone joking were townies..slip up, this early? Hard to tell....lets move to the pressure stage.

what was your motivation behind letting us know you didnt like the random vote (joking) stage?

You answered your own question for me. I wanted to bring an abrupt end to the joking stage and move the game into the main stage. Jokey self-votes and meta-gaming votes are impossible to analyze. So now that we've all gotten it out of our system, let's actually begin playing this game.

Additionally, I realize that this move makes me a lightning rod for votes. That's fine. I've got no reason to shy away from them and it invites people to judge others on who is using good logic and who isn't.

Well I guess you did indeed end the random (joke) stage....since this stage bothers you, how do you normally start a game? Attack the random (joke) vote stage? If that stage wasnt there, what would you do?

[curiouskarmadog]

Albert B. Rampage is right. JordanA24's suspicion and vote were his own and were first. He wasn't latching onto anyone else's train of thought or jumping on any bandwagons.

really?

how do

you

know the jokes are coming from townies?..

then,

I'm not sure I like how you said townies. I think this is a good place to put an early vote.

Vote: Unright

Seems pretty close to me...I think Jordan was agreeing with me.

Why are you putting words into ABR's mouth? ABR didnt say that Jordan's suspicions was his own, he only said Jordan didnt bandwagon...

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm not sure I like how you said townies. I think this is a good place to put an early vote.

Vote: Unright

Seems pretty close to me...I think Jordan was agreeing with me.

So on Post 36 were you agreeing with JordanA24 or re-agreeing with yourself?

When Jordan posted his post he was saying the exact samething I said, I thought maybe since he siad the same thing, my point was missed, so I wanted to reinstate what I said.

[curiouskarmadog]

did you ever address why you were putting words in ABR's mouth and I missed it?

When Jordan posted his post he was saying the exact samething I said, I thought maybe since he siad the same thing, my point was missed, so I wanted to reinstate what I said.

Why, though? I already responded to your point in post 31.

Actually, I'm wondering if you missed post 31 entirely since you chose to re-stress your point instead of acknowledging that I addressed your concerns.

I thought maybe I didnt make my point clear enough, because Jordan said something that was similar to what I said...

[curiouskarmadog]

did you ever address why you were putting words in ABR's mouth and I missed it?

The post right above yours (86) in the last paragraph. Literally 5 cm above where you asked the question.

fair enough you did...thanks

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote Unright

not feeling it right now

[curiouskarmadog]

These games always move this slowly?

good point,

have you asked any questions or scum hunted...or did you plan to just blindly start voting and lynching without any information?

[curiouskarmadog]

before we get all lynch crazy, is there a way we might be able to confirm him or his partner without a lynch? I have been in a game where I had to claim Mason (earlier than I wanted to) because my Mason buddy was acting super scummy and I had to stop his lynch, so I understand pressure. I, however, dont get this early claim, there was hardly any pressure him. On the other side of the coin, would you have believed the claim any more if he had done it at -1?

Gage why did you claim so early?

ABR, how could this be a scum gambit? Seems like a poor gambit if it is one.

Either way I think it was a newbie mistake. Whether is it is scum or town, remains to be seen.

[curiouskarmadog]

A bunch of SA kids came over a couple of weeks ago, but most have departed..could be left over from that.

[curiouskarmadog]

A bunch of SA kids came over a couple of weeks ago, but most have departed..could be left over from that.

Yep, thank God, they sure lived up to their name.

agreed

[curiouskarmadog]

Of course, I suspect I'm now the favorite to lynch. If need be, I can roleclaim, because it isn't like I'm terribly important. There is also one person who can back me up, but I certainly am not going to roleclaim for them. If and when I roleclaim, they can back me up if they see fit.

Hang on. Did you just claim Mason or did you just say that you could be proven by the cop?

That "1 person who might not back me up" stuff sounds like he's Mason, but his Mason partner (he specified that there is only one) won't confirm his claim, although that is the only "power" that two Masons have.

Actualy, it was my intent to start by apologizing for submarrining. But, since my only post inluded a vote on Gage, more power to for cuting down on spam.

does this mean you believe the claim or not?

[curiouskarmadog]

going to be a light poster 11/09-11/12..long weekend holiday..

[curiouskarmadog]

I think I'll just quit posting. Apparently I'm a moron.

The sooner you realize it the sooner you can do something to change it.

else you might end up like Albert.

Unvote, Vote: Gage

btw. Giving up scumtell, and licence to lurk, rolled into one.

BM

vote battle Mage

any reason you wont let a cop investigate their claim first before a lynch?

Maybe it is because I have been in a similiar situation lately, but I believe ABR's claim, and think Gage's early claim is probably due to a newbie mistake and he is not used to the speed (or lack thereof) the games on this site. I find that a lot of other sites (according to their members) play mafia a lot faster.

[curiouskarmadog]

I think I'll just quit posting. Apparently I'm a moron.

The sooner you realize it the sooner you can do something to change it.

else you might end up like Albert.

Unvote, Vote: Gage

btw. Giving up scumtell, and licence to lurk, rolled into one.

BM

vote battle Mage

any reason you wont let a cop investigate their claim first before a lynch?

Maybe it is because I have been in a similiar situation lately, but I believe ABR's claim, and think Gage's early claim is probably due to a newbie mistake and he is not used to the speed (or lack thereof) the games on this site. I find that a lot of other sites (according to their members) play mafia a lot faster.

lol i had to read your post 4 times before i realised what you were talking about. I'm in so many games atm, i ocassionally forget what the heck is going on in them. lol

Unvote

I should note that this does not mean i agree with your logic-just that my vote was a ridiculous one.

BM

jesus, it just burns your ass to ever admit I am right?

if you can explain why my logic is wrong and why your vote was ridiculous, I will unvote.

[curiouskarmadog]

My vote was ridiculous because i forgot that they had claimed mason. Your logic is wrong because telling the cop who to investigate is stupid.

BM

I wasnt telling the cop who to investigate, I was suggesting an alternative to lynching the claimed masons Day 1. That being said, how to you purpose the claim is confirmed?

[curiouskarmadog]

I confirm my vote on BM

[curiouskarmadog]

PBPA- Nekka Lucifer

Starts with a self-vote, which gets him under some pressure. I feel he makes a fair point, and he gets some good reactions, primarily from Unright and CKD, who both try and push a wagon on him. His post 9 shows some rolefishing however. On the other hand, he correctly draws our attention to a lot of scummy play.

Conclusion: Probably Protown

I thought you said you were reading the game?...where did I push lynch on NL? should I assume this too was a misread, since you have been doing this all game...that being said, why should any of listen to any of the cases you are putting together if you can not even read a couple pages correctly?

[curiouskarmadog]

BM is probably protown. Only an idiot would try to lynch him at this point. *checks VC* Oh yeah...

ouch...that hurts...ummm, why do you think BM is protown? and why are those voting for him idiots?

did I miss a post?

[curiouskarmadog]

BM is probably protown. Only an idiot would try to lynch him at this point. *checks VC* Oh yeah...

ouch...that hurts...ummm, why do you think BM is protown? and why are those voting for him idiots?

did I miss a post?

Well, BM did something incredibly stupid (vote for a claimed mason twice). So whether or not you consider him to be scummy depends on how much WIFOM thinking you're willing to put into the situation.

I'm interested in seeing him finish his PBPA, though.

I am confused why MoS thinks BM is protown based on him voting for the claimed mason twice?..couldnt scum or town be incredibly stupid, why are these actions obviously town?

[curiouskarmadog]

BM is probably protown. Only an idiot would try to lynch him at this point. *checks VC* Oh yeah...

ouch...that hurts...ummm, why do you think BM is protown? and why are those voting for him idiots?

did I miss a post?

Well, BM did something incredibly stupid (vote for a claimed mason twice). So whether or not you consider him to be scummy depends on how much WIFOM thinking you're willing to put into the situation.

I'm interested in seeing him finish his PBPA, though.

I am confused why MoS thinks BM is protown based on him voting for the claimed mason twice?..couldnt scum or town be incredibly stupid, why are these actions obviously town?

I think MoS is getting at the fact that i tend to concentrate alot more as scum. lol
will finish pbpa as soon as i get a chance.

is this true MoS?

[curiouskarmadog]

I will except that it could be a null tell for now...

unvote BM

going to reread again when I have a moment and see where to go now.

[curiouskarmadog]

Alright

minor FoS: ckd

. I think he was opportunistic in jumping on BM, don't like post 185.
I was considering FoSing Nekka for lack of meaningful content, but then I saw he's planning to come to a decision soon, so I'll leave that for now.
Some of Jordan's first few posts were a bit scummy, mostly his overreaction towards DP in #2 (I'm searching posts by user here), but he seemed better later on.
If non-contributers are still hanging around (richman, Kakeng, and to a lesser extent mandalorian) you should post like now. From mandalorian's few posts I get a townish vibe, Kakeng hasn't said much but the no lynch vote is bad.
BM, DP, MoS all seem ok to me from a skim read, ABR and Gage claimed masons iirc.
So now I'll get around to looking at Unright and Porochaz a bit closer, didn't get much from them on first read.

what about BM seems ok to you?

[curiouskarmadog]

I am not pushing the case, I understand why MoS sees your actions as a possible null tell because you are not paying attention to the game (thus the unvote), but I have noted the "mistake"

my question was to pete (not you)..I got an FoS for being opportunistic (because I voted for someone who voted for a claimed mason), yet you seem ok in his book, I wanted to know why you (BM) seemed ok in his(pete's) book...was there some action you did (or didnt) that you got the OK in his book?

in reference to the reread, I nothing really sticking out to me (other than previously discussed Gage, ABR, and BM actions). I understand DP vote (I think) and wonder if he has got any questions for anyone.

[curiouskarmadog]

the fact that you noted me is noted..

so we have different scum finding tactics, speaking of which how is the rest of your PbP going?

[curiouskarmadog]

PBPA – Mastermind of Sin

Starts the game with a typical random.org vote. I think his attack on Jordan is a slight over-reaction, but he makes a good point. He hasn’t given too much content to analyse, but I disagree with his colour choices (I’ve never seen a Cult listed as Green before-Green tends to mean Protown, and Blue is Neutral in my experience). But that’s by the by. I’ll be interested to hear his thoughts on the recent events, when he gets back.
In the meantime, as he is not giving me any real bad vibes (which he almost always does), I’d say he is Slightly Protown.

Edit to this PBPA. I'm moving MoS to Probably Protown, simply due to his accurate meta of me. Knowing my playstyle so well, i reckon if he wanted to fabricate a case on me (as he has done in the past) he could have done.

Meanwhile, CKD's recent play moves him from Neutral, to Fairly Scummy.
Not quite as scummy as Porochaz though.

More analyses forthcoming.

BM

LOL, Mos calls you town, so he is now town, I dont 100% believe this, but unvote for the time being and ask someone else why I they feel you are OK, and I am moved to scummy...nice

[curiouskarmadog]

who the crap is richman, and why was this is second post in a 12 page game 11/03

K. Active time now. Have to go out shopping, but then will read previous pages and vote.

MOD please prod or replace.

[curiouskarmadog]

Yay Woo Vote Count!

Battle Mage (3) – mandalorian, Gage, Albert B. Rampage
JordanA24 (1) -- Mastermind of Sin
Unright (1) -- curiouskarmadog
curiouskarmadog (1) -- Dragon Phoenix

Not Voting (7) -- richman99, Kakeng, Nekka-Lucifer, Unright, JordanA24, Porochaz, curiouskarmadog, pete d

Prodded: Albert B. Rampage, Gage, mandalorian, Unright

Kakeng and richman99 have approximately 24 hours to post or they will be replaced.

MOD, my vote hasnt been on unright since 11/04

[curiouskarmadog]

asdf

?

[curiouskarmadog]

i'm disappointed with Jordan's analysis of Porochaz.

Will post more later hopefully.

BM

What about Jordans analysis of everyone else?

like you and Nekka for instance.

[curiouskarmadog]

that one post by lowell is more content than I have seen him ever post in all the game I have been in with him combined x2...

going to read (not just skim) to catch up.

[curiouskarmadog]

Why does Aimee keep modding games if she always has to rely on a back up mod!?

this is the 3rd game this has occured.

[curiouskarmadog]

jesus, Nek, I dont think i have ever been in a game with you that you finished..I assume there are some right?

Also, I agree with DP...we need a deadline..even if it is something like 2-3 weeks, we need one..

MODs please acknowledge that you see this request!

[curiouskarmadog]

thank you for filling in (again) for Aimee, Patrick

[curiouskarmadog]

morons...
I'm not claiming till i get to -1. And if you had any sense, you wouldnt put me there.

I await a response from Porochaz.

vote BM...

think that is -1..

claim now?

[curiouskarmadog]

jesus...

unvote BM

although you would think the Doc would have kept closer attention to the game...

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm pretty sure he's lying. Anyone up for lynching him anyway ?

yeh i havent breadcrumbed, although i was trying out an interesting idea at the start of the game, which apparently has backfired. lol

BM

idea=vote claimed mason twice then claim ignorance?

[curiouskarmadog]

waiting on flavor

[curiouskarmadog]

Who is your alternative and why?

More than likely "The person I'm voting for, because I said so". MoS has been thoroughly unhelpful all game.

how so?

[curiouskarmadog]

Well between the two, Gage and MoS, who has been more helpful?

[curiouskarmadog]

still waiting for flavor...or post from Mod.

[curiouskarmadog]

I will be gone until the 26th. Also giving you the heads up, I am in a ton of games so it might be slow going updating all the games I am in, but I will get to it when I get back.

Thanks for the entertainment, I hope you and yours have a good holiday!

[curiouskarmadog]

Im back from the holidays,

I dont understand why people (Gage, pete d, Albert B. Rampage) are still voting for our claim doc..any reason why those voting for him want to do the mafia work for them?

[curiouskarmadog]

well I dont like the fact he cant remember flavor...OR the fact that he "lost" the PM..

but I would be more inclined to lynch him tomorrow to see if mafia bags him tonight.

[curiouskarmadog]

sure maybe we could get lucky and the mafia would do that.

so you would rather lynch the doc claim today, then?

[curiouskarmadog]

well, seems to me this game can not function with 5-6 active players...

out of those active players the only ones I thought were scum both claimed doc and mason, so apparently I cant get a read on the game.

at a loss..I assume things will pick back up after the new year?

[curiouskarmadog]

I guess I dont understand why mafia would leave a doctor alive. Now, we could all go into a long discussion about this but I would rather not give the mafia any more reason to act, or not to act.

In reference to Bookitty, I agree with her theory, but I dont think PeteD was scummy for saying it. That said, I think what Pete D didnt say could be viewed as scummy. I said I didnt understand why people are still voting the claim doc...instead of answering me (like you blatantly did ABR) he came back with this response:

"Why are you assuming that mafia will automatically take him out?" "With statements like this, why would mafia get rid of BM if he was a doc?"

this doesnt sounds like someone who thinks BM is scum. So again, I dont understand the vote or the prespective.

I might have voted Pete D, but Bookkitty's response was..strange...I think Pete D response was scummy for different reasons, and I dont understand why she thinks it was scummy and it seemed forced...

so I am at a loss.

thoughts?

[curiouskarmadog]

Well if ABR wants it, I cant handle all the peer pressure.

vote bookitty

, actually I think your alignment will tell us a lot (looking at pete d)

I offer you...the HAMMER!!!!

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote

...refuse to vote with lowell not to mention his vote looks shady..however, I am sure he knows that.

[curiouskarmadog]

I never switch anything..I thought your reply was odd.

ALSO, you never addressed the comment.

"Why are you assuming that mafia will automatically take him out?" "With statements like this, why would mafia get rid of BM if he was a doc?"

this doesnt sounds like someone who thinks BM is scum. So again, I dont understand the vote or the prespective.

and I am scummy because I wanted to see bookitty's alignment so I hammered?


Also ABR, I unvoted (at first) because my vote was no longer needed...I really was on the fence about Peted and Bookitty...if PeteD had more votes I would have voted him. But now that he was right about Bookitty...I dont find him as scummy anymore..

[curiouskarmadog]

Yes, like I said, this post is a direct contradiction of itself:

I guess I dont understand why mafia would leave a doctor alive. Now, we could all go into a long discussion about this but I would rather not give the mafia any more reason to act, or not to act.

In reference to Bookitty,

I agree with her theory, but I dont think PeteD was scummy for saying it. That said, I think what Pete D didnt say could be viewed as scummy.

I said I didnt understand why people are still voting the claim doc...instead of answering me (like you blatantly did ABR) he came back with this response:

"Why are you assuming that mafia will automatically take him out?" "With statements like this, why would mafia get rid of BM if he was a doc?"

this doesnt sounds like someone who thinks BM is scum. So again, I dont understand the vote or the prespective.

I might have voted Pete D, but Bookkitty's response was..strange...I think Pete D response was scummy for different reasons,

and I dont understand why she thinks it was scummy and it seemed forced...

so I am at a loss.

thoughts?

look, you want a reason to vote me, I get it...but your wrong about me being scum and you are wrong (at least ABR is wrong in his post) about the reason.

I'm really tempted to vote for pete d based on this. It looks to me like an excuse in advance for Battle Mage not being nightkilled.

The reason for Mafia to get rid of doc-Battle Mage is the same as for any other doctor... because they don't want their nightkill interfered with. That doesn't change just because Battle Mage is likely to be lynched tomorrow. Additionally, if Battle Mage is scum, you've just provided an excuse for him when he's not nightkilled.

Why would you suggest the scum-strategy you employed in a previous game if you're town, pete d?

I agreed with Bookitty's theory IN PART. Peted's reponse DOES look like an excuse in advance for Battle Mage not being NKed. HOWEVER, is does not look scummy (in my eyes) because we (peted and mylsef) were having a conversation about BM at the time (go back and reread the events). I CONTINUED to explain that I felt the Pete D WAS scummy for another reason (see last post). At this point I would have voted Pete D for my own reasons not bookitty's. The latter red quote (from ABR) I am explaining that I dont understand why Bookitty's thinks Pete D was scum (we had different reasons remember)...the attack DOES seem forced. At this point in the game (when that was posted) I thought either Peted or bookitty were scum but I didnt know which one, thus the "I am at a loss".
I wasnt sure that Bookitty was scum. The reason I first voted Bookitty, was because it was needed to have a lynch at deadline and a no lynch is bad. When someone voted her after I did, I unvoted because again, I WAS NOT SURE and my vote wasnt needed.

I was tired of being hounded by Pete D (and ABR) so I returned my vote (this time the hammer) mostly out of spite toward Pete D. I was sort of hoping she would come up town so I could go after PeteD, which is reflected in the post. As it stands, she was mafia, so he was right...

ABR, not voting set, because I dont think I even understand the case agianst her..please provide.

I really cant explain myself any better here...so we are in a good position, if you need to lynch me..lynch me. We can probably afford a mislynch or two, and my loss is not going to hurt the town (soft claim vanilla)...so go ahead lynch me or save me for an investigation. I will try to reread to provide some insight before I go, but this game is not a priority.

[curiouskarmadog]

did I say I was certian about Set? The reason I voted with Bookitty (with you) was because a.) we were close to deadline and b.) there was something scummy about bookitty. What do you feel Set is scum?

[curiouskarmadog]

well great, better jump on my wagon while you can before it looks scummy to people tomorrow.

any reason?

[curiouskarmadog]

sorry rampage(btw ABR is easier to say), I just dont see that Set as scum yet. At least with Bookitty (and peted at the time) I saw some action that I felt was odd. The only thing scummy I find that Set is doing is jumping on my wagon to save her own ass (turning me into the vote leader). This could be easily considered self preservation. If I am on your scum list, man, feel free to vote me...I am not giving the game the time I should, it is not a priority atm, and I am lacking the time to give it a thorough read to actually scum hunt (most my time here seems to be in defense).

[curiouskarmadog]

ahh screw tomorrow, lets do it today.

albert I dont see the case...but really I am sort of done with this game and lack the time..

vote curiouskarmadog

..that puts me at -1 too...so now you got your choice of hammer lynches..dont worry I am just a boring old vanilla, so you are not losing a power role or anything.

[curiouskarmadog]

I know I put it at -1....

No matter what I do at this point, scum will spin it.

I dont see the case and at this point no matter if I vote for Set today or not I will hang tomorrow (unless a cop clears me).

If I hammer Set (like I hammered bootkitty) I will hang tomorrow no matter her alignment. Innocent, I jumped on a townie lynch with no reason. Guilty, he bussed yet another partner and waited forever to do it.

if I dont vote an she comes up innocent, he knew she was innocent and didnt want to be part of a innocent lynch....if she comes up guilty, he didnt vote her because he didnt want to lose another partner.

the only thing that can clear me is a cop investigation...and I dont really want the cop to reveal himself tomorrow to clear the name of a vanilla..there is no point.

so hammer me today..get it over with..we are still in a good position with the GF dead...

[curiouskarmadog]

Votecount

Setael (6) -- Albert B. Rampage, Porochaz, Mastermind of Sin, Lowell, volkan, farside22
curiouskarmadog (5) -- pete d, Dragon Phoenix, Setael, Shanba, curiouskarmadog

Not voting: Battle Mage, Streeflo
13 alive, 7 to lynch.

oh, I thought I was at -1..well at least 4 people on the set wagon think I am scum...so just switch.

[curiouskarmadog]

please

[curiouskarmadog]

go town

[curiouskarmadog]

lol, such an evil mason

[curiouskarmadog]

that was probably my worst game ever...I thought BM was going to submit the kill (very little conversation from him at night) the first night when I realized we had a 72 hours it was too late...the next day I was just at a loss and played like ass, thought my gambit with ABR would have saved me from lynching..but it didnt....I was not surprised when BM didnt send a NK night 2....I was however surprised to see that he made it to the last 3..

town, you got lucky because the mafia was disorganized and played horridly...

this was an embarassment...but I learned much..thanks for the game.