In post 1767, Firebringer wrote:Abilities:
2 Shot Vanillizer- At night you can select a player to vanilize and they will lose all their powersincluding special abilities.
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Ok, nero cain.In post 2628, mastina wrote:I'm predicting SirCakez will refuse (or maybe he'll join briefly, but leave for some bullshit reason), because they are in fact scumbuddies.
The problem is, I can help you lynch either of them, yet you won't give me anything in return. You won't help me lynch BBMolla when they flip scum, and that's the only thing which can make me switch. If you're going to be pursuing town after you lynch scum, it's not worth it. It's only if you pursue scum after lynching scum that it's worth a vote.
I KNOW that if I lynch BBMolla, you will continue to go after zefiend, maybe considering SirCakez.
I know that if I lynch zefiend, you'll be quick to pursue some moronic mislynch.
Am I wrong?
Tell me that, when zefiend flips scum, you'd consider going after BBMolla. Tell that to me with a straight face, absolute 100% sincerity. Do that, and you'll get my vote there. Otherwise, I'm sorry. No matter how much zefiend may be scum, I simply cannot in good faith vote there.
But yes, I'm considering the possibility of scum!molla now in fact. Not sure about heartless, but if you convince me molla is scum I will vote there. Good enough?-
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Oh yeah I remember thatIn post 2629, mastina wrote:I quite literally wrote the fucking book on NOT bussin-
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Ftr, I fall into neither of these categories.In post 2630, mastina wrote:Also, I don't feel the need to establish myself as town by lynching yet another scum. That won't stop idiots from scumreading me, and it won't give people who aren't scumreading me any more proof than what they already have. In short, it won't change how people view me at all, because they'll make excuses or because they already knew and didn't need proof.-
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I hate to yell, I hate to shout,In post 2603, Heartless wrote:
you're missing the part where you say if pine targeted bbmolla or notIn post 2582, Drunken Piper wrote:I get the following results: No Result, X visited X,
or X visited no one, not complex.
I got that sir cakez visited no one.
so what am I missing here, but the fun?
but if I knew, would I have a problem?, FIGURE IT THE FUCK OUT.
Also, since I am sure scum knows by now, "aids"
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In post 2602, Aj The Epic wrote:Titus had a really interesting vote change to me there... Like y'all have known my claim for a couple of days, what the hell was that delayed reaction?In post 2588, Drunken Piper wrote:DP sits on his bar stool. most of his gusto gone...
nowhe just wonders why AJ chose to JK Cakez 2 nights in a row, and why he claimed for no reason(hic)-
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Sure, but I don't really see that as likely rn. We barely have one wagon...In post 2633, mastina wrote:But I think the game would benefit most from having more than one wagon on scum today.
I think it depends. As scum if I saw a guilty on my partner, I sure as hell would be bussing right away. But you might be right on this point.In post 2634, mastina wrote: They start off questioning the guilty, trying to see where it comes from, what sort of validity it has, trying to see if it can be talked out of. And when they determine that it can't be, they vote the doomed scumbuddy.
That's a really crappy explanation of the concept, I need to go and explain exactly what I mean in more detail, but one of BBMolla's sins was that he did exactly that: he tried to argue against the Pine guilty, until he understood that it was not something which could be fought against. At that point, he sheepishly joined the wagon.
^^ remember this guysIn post 2636, mastina wrote:There's a reason I don't bus my scumbuddies.
It's because I can get away with being wrong on them.
That was another possibility I'm considering that I forgot to mention. I really do not want to go back and ISO cakez, so maybe I'll ISO you or you can give more reasons why he's scum too? That would be awesome.In post 2638, mastina wrote:
Where you go wriong is assuming in only one scum. It's two. Is there anything in particular I can do (aside from casing Molla) which I can do to convince you it's BOTH of them, not just ONE of them?In post 2507, Infinity 324 wrote:I think one of {molla, cakez, mastin} is scum. Zefiend is another scum.
Don't really see it. I mean piper is the only person not talking in a post restriction, so if he's reading everyone else's posts then that makes sense...In post 2641, mastina wrote:
Given molla;s apparent issue with people not talking to him, this is acout as close to a flat-out scumclaim as you're ever getting.In post 2553, BBmolla wrote:I generally skim your posts because I hate your self applied restriction with a passion
You're funny when you're tired I think Ijustmissed you since your last post was previewed in my first one. Hopefully we'll be on at the same time sometimes in the future. I'll go find the other reasons I was townreading molla.-
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I find this genuine btw.In post 2391, BBmolla wrote:like fuck man I really think you're town, mastina maybe not (?), but I really believe you are. can we talk about your worries about me and figure this shit out so we don't need to waste a lynch
Plus anti's issue of scum having too much power.In post 2409, Infinity 324 wrote:
This is a good point actually. What do you think mastin?In post 2404, Titus wrote:Either scum had to risk a broken situation occurring by holding one of their vanillaize shots, or whenever Pine flipped we'd get 3 vanillaized claims for two shots.
Another issue I have with the molla!scum narrative is why pine would risk dying before using all his shots given the day1 wagon thing and him joining the rogue crew.-
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Will say that my townread on cakez is fading. The reasons I was townreading him before seem weak now. But I don't see any huge reasons to scumread him either. He is different from order of the stick, a recent scumgame of his. But I don't feel like going through his ISO, so uh, yeah.-
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Like others have said, that's not how JK usually works. AJ is still scum, but not for that reason.In post 2574, Drunken Piper wrote:it is my understanding the a JK, makes the "target" untargetable.
"no result" was not my result label.
Because it's a scum fakeclaim and he was desperate to get it out.In post 2588, Drunken Piper wrote:DP sits on his bar stool. most of his gusto gone...
now he just wonders why AJ chose to JK Cakez 2 nights in a row, and why he claimed for no reason
lol rekt (sorry I had to)In post 2628, mastina wrote:I'm predicting SirCakez will refuse (or maybe he'll join briefly, but leave for some bullshit reason), because they are in fact scumbuddies.
Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Wait, explain this. Why does scum claim jk out of the blue which makes him potentially look suspicious (for reasons I can't understand, but nonetheless) when molla flips?In post 2661, SirCakez wrote:Because it's a scum fakeclaim and he was desperate to get it out.-
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Because of what you just said afterward!In post 2662, Infinity 324 wrote:
Wait, explain this. Why does scum claim jk out of the blue which makes him potentially look suspicious (for reasons I can't understand, but nonetheless) when molla flips?In post 2661, SirCakez wrote:Because it's a scum fakeclaim and he was desperate to get it out.
I didn't care about it because I disagree.In post 2663, Infinity 324 wrote:And why did you not care aboutme and heartless both calling the claim town? And what's your read on molla/how is it affected by your read on aj?
I scumread Molla but it's unrelated to my AJ read.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Just because it's WIFOM doesn't mean it's wrong.Because of what you just said afterward!
How often do you see scum claim roles out of the blue?
I didn't care about it because I disagree.In post 2663, Infinity 324 wrote:And why did you not care aboutme and heartless both calling the claim town? And what's your read on molla/how is it affected by your read on aj?
I scumread Molla but it's unrelated to my AJ read.[/quote]
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What WIFOM?
Are you concerned that you may have too many scumreads?In post 2666, Infinity 324 wrote:
Just because it's WIFOM doesn't mean it's wrong.Because of what you just said afterward!
How often do you see scum claim roles out of the blue?
I didn't care about it because I disagree.In post 2663, Infinity 324 wrote:And why did you not care aboutme and heartless both calling the claim town? And what's your read on molla/how is it affected by your read on aj?
I scumread Molla but it's unrelated to my AJ read.
When they're being pressured, a good amount.
No, I have 4: Titus, Molla, AJ, Zefiend. Since there's probably 3 scum left that seems about right to me, one is likely town.
P-edit: What makes it bad play? I'm curious.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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AJ had, what, 3 votes on him? That's not a lot of pressure. What do you think about the whole thing where he was trying to figure out if he could jk heartless and still have them gives out roles?
Who do you think is the most likely to be wrong of the scumreads?
It's bad play because it doesn't help the town work together. Especially when it's a relatively important event, you should weigh in. People not engaging the people they disagree with is a lot of the reason why the game is stagnating imo. (though a little bit less in the past day)-
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yeah... no, you have now formally surrendered the right to bitch about "engagement" with me because the point of me asking was for you to state the reasoning IN YOUR OWN WORDS not to just glibly quote posts, which i can already see.In post 2612, ɀefiend wrote:
This is the bulk of the conversation with Pere and Nero about mastinIn post 2374, Heartless wrote:
what were these points?In post 2370, ɀefiend wrote:That in combination with Nero's points heavily challenged my one-dimensjonal read on mastina
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i have seen this variation of jk used before on this site, but only by mods not from this site (i believe aero is one of these iirc)In post 2620, ɀefiend wrote:Aeronaut's interpretation of Jailkeeper in that game goes against what some of y'all are saying is normal/standard on MS.
the only precedence i can find of fire's is that he used the MS definition of jailkeeper in mass effect http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8174705-
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not about where i stand on bbmollaIn post 2628, mastina wrote:Am I wrong?
you do what you feel like you have to, mastin. if you don't trust my reads beyond zefiend, i can respect that. and i can see how you have a scumread on molla bc frankly his posting sucks. but i have a very hard time bringing myself to think that fire thought molla's role (as a scum role) would be acceptable w/ ari's role AND that rc would let that through, not to mention i think they would have a hard time balancing molla+pine's powers.-
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nope.Last edited by Firebringer on Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:12 am, edited 1 time in total.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
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