Open 671: Greater Idea - OVER

[Vaxkiller]

Are you sure you are still mafia? Can you check your inbox?

[Spade_Ace]

Wikki: A Saulus is originally an anti-town role, but when it should die (either by lynch or other kill), it stays alive and converts to the Town's side instead.

@grey that means you don't need to be immediately lynched. Ur role for now has immunity

[Spade_Ace]

Wikki: A Saulus is originally an anti-town role, but when it should die

(either by lynch or other kill)

, it stays alive and converts to the Town's side instead.

@grey that means you don't need to be immediately lynched. Ur role for now has immunity

[Spade_Ace]

Also grey, as you are still mafia, isn't what you are doing right now technically against your current wincon

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm
On my HS the policy is to play to your current wincon, but I don't know the exact policy here

[-Grey-]

Are you sure you are still mafia? Can you check your inbox?

I'm still mafia. I get email and pop up notifications on pm.

[-Grey-]

Also grey, as you are still mafia, isn't what you are doing right now technically against your current wincon

Considering I don't know who else is mafia, no.

All I can do is speculate. I'm not sacrificing my team.

[Vaxkiller]

Are you sure you are still mafia? Can you check your inbox?

I'm still mafia. I get email and pop up notifications on pm.

Just needed to make sure.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm fairly sure grey is telling the truth.

VOTE: grey

[-Grey-]

@grey that means you don't need to be immediately lynched.

I can agree with this, if we have strong evidence for another scum lynch.

Otherwise, my lynch is basically a NL with the benefit of reducing scum.

[-Grey-]

{Vaxkiller, Spade Ace}
{Gamma Emerald, alban}
{Not Mafia, davesaz}
{Kop}
{bangthemafia}

[-Grey-]

I'm actually tempted to review bang's play and consider a push.

[Aristodog]

VC 2.2

-Grey-

(3): Not_Mafia 696, Spade_Ace 775, Vaxkiller 833

Spade_Ace

(2): BangTheMafia 559, Alban 626

BangTheMafia

(1): Gamma Emerald 594

Not Voting

(4): Kop, -Grey- 668, Davesaz 669

With 9 Alive, it takes 5 to lynch

The day will end on February 14th, 2017 at 3 AM EST. (V-Day ♥)
(expired on 2017-02-14 02:00:00)

Mod Notes:

BangTheMafia is V/LA until Monday

[Gamma Emerald]

I am Survivor

[-Grey-]

15 is slimy. bang accuses me of outing PR's then fishes for those same PR's to cc me. On top of that, he votes RC instead of me which makes absolutely no sense at all to me.

His prod dodge in 228 originally had me thinking he was lying low, but he wasn't active anywhere else on the site during that timeframe so he gets a pass on that.

His attempt at hairsplitting in 239 doesn't sit right with me. It's an overly defensive response to a simple deduction. Also, he seems to use lynching as a weapon to threaten those who suspect him.

269, he questions why Spade would claim his wincon, but he's not at all curious about Spade's antitown power?

270/274 - possible S/S interaction? Anyone?

277, he butters Gamma a little unnecessarily (others had already brought up opinions and questions for others based on discards). Also, he admits my deduction from his initial post was correct.

285 is NAI. It could come from any alignment at all. Nothing town or scum in there.

291, he paints town as needing less effort than scum. This is factually untrue, but I can't really say whether that post comes from a scum mindset or if he's just really bad at town.

296, he continues trying to split hairs and ignoring the fact that the only PR's town needs to worry about outting are town PR's. That he was objecting to me possibly outing PR's implied that he was concerned that I was risking town power, which is why his immediate vote for RC in the same post he called me out made his entire post look scummy as hell.

341, he had

nothing

he wanted to accomplish when he questioned me in 15. I'm sorry, but that's not town. Town asks questions to gamesolve and sort alignments. bang admitted he was doing neither. Also, putting the two players who are interacting with him the most as strong town, while simultaneously listing the player his strongtown read replaced as nullscum. Very scummy. No mention of davesaz in his reads.

386, he hints at suspicion towards both of his strong town reads, but isn't actively trying to nail down those reads. His response to Spade's question about the self-vote was a deflection. Why didn't he just give his opinion on it right there instead of make an excuse to ignore it?

397 seems AtEish; excuses

398 seems townish

399 is something I want to come back to if/when bang does die.

400 Spade's first non-RVS vote was actually me, but he completely ignored that.

500, desperation to shade

559, he admits it's his style to push for the lynch of those who scumreads him as scum... and then votes for Spade... who is scumreading him!

587 criticizes Spade for "buttering" me, and appeals to me in the same post. Meh feels.

619, trying to keep town pitted against each other (response to 602)

629, he goes from abrasiveness to appeasing, which feels like cogdiss. Either approach on its own might have been genuine, but they're two conflicting states of mind.

691

RED FLAG

- bang was so sold on Spade being scum, but completely buys an unverifiable claim that makes for an excellent fake claim. Why? Because he knew it would simply make it that much easier to lynch him for being negative utility.

765, there is no pro-town reason to massclaim. Doing so only gives scum a roadmap for their kills.

772, where was that skepticism of Spade's claim when he first made it?

804, paints laziness as maliciousness

I'd go so far as to say a bang scum flip confirms Spade town.

VOTE: bangthemafia

[-Grey-]

Well, I'd say a bang mafia flip confirms Spade not!Mafia.

There IS Werewolf/Alien/etc

[bangthemafia]

Well, I'd say a bang mafia flip confirms Spade not!Mafia.

There IS Werewolf/Alien/etc

You are truely an idiot.

Dont do this. At the cost of Vaxkiller cringing again, I am a town.

Your 839 is nothing but a prejudiced view from tainted glass. Still will try to respond point by point by tonight.

If u r town convertible by kills as well as lynches, I prefer lynching Spade or anyone from the lurkers. I just hate lurkers. They help aggressive scum get into town leader roles.

[-Grey-]

Lololol, pushing lurker lynches is a classic scum move.

[-Grey-]

15 is slimy. bang accuses me of outing PR's then fishes for those same PR's to cc me. On top of that, he votes RC instead of me which makes absolutely no sense at all to me.

His attempt at hairsplitting in 239 doesn't sit right with me. It's an overly defensive response to a simple deduction. Also, he seems to use lynching as a weapon to threaten those who suspect him.

269, he questions why Spade would claim his wincon, but he's not at all curious about Spade's antitown power?

270/274 - possible S/S interaction? Anyone?

277, he butters Gamma a little unnecessarily (others had already brought up opinions and questions for others based on discards). Also, he admits my deduction from his initial post was correct.

296, he continues trying to split hairs and ignoring the fact that the only PR's town needs to worry about outting are town PR's. That he was objecting to me possibly outing PR's implied that he was concerned that I was risking town power, which is why his immediate vote for RC in the same post he called me out made his entire post look scummy as hell.

341,

RED FLAG

he had

nothing

he wanted to accomplish when he questioned me in 15. I'm sorry, but that's not town. Town asks questions to gamesolve and sort alignments. bang admitted he was doing neither. Also, putting the two players who are interacting with him the most as strong town, while simultaneously listing the player his strongtown read replaced as nullscum. Very scummy. No mention of davesaz in his reads.

386,

RED FLAG

he hints at suspicion towards both of his strong town reads, but isn't actively trying to nail down those reads. His response to Spade's question about the self-vote was a deflection. Why didn't he just give his opinion on it right there instead of make an excuse to ignore it?

397 seems AtEish; excuses

500, desperation to shade

559, he admits it's his style to push for the lynch of those who scumreads him as scum... and then votes for Spade... who is scumreading him!

587 criticizes Spade for "buttering" me, and appeals to me in the same post. Meh feels.

619, trying to keep town pitted against each other (response to 602)

629,

RED FLAG

he goes from abrasiveness to appeasing, which feels like cogdiss. Either approach on its own might have been genuine, but they're two conflicting states of mind.

691

RED FLAG

- bang was so sold on Spade being scum, but completely buys an unverifiable claim that makes for an excellent fake claim. Why? Because he knew it would simply make it that much easier to lynch him for being negative utility.

765,

RED FLAG

there is no pro-town reason to massclaim. Doing so only gives scum a roadmap for their kills.

772, where was that skepticism of Spade's claim when he first made it?

804, paints laziness as maliciousness

There's a more manageable list. Red flags are the particularly troublesome items.

[Spade_Ace]

I am Survivor

Gamma, are there any variations to your role. Like, you just need to survive till day 3 kind?

A quick wikki read suggests that survivor role is essentially anti-town as scum now needs to focus on one less person to win their game. Your role could also be a liability to town at Lylo. If all you care is your wincon you could vote town and wait for scum to hammer.

We are sure there are 4 town members alive. Excluding the Saulus and the survivor, we could still have a maximum of 3 scum alive.

If you are indeed a survivor, the game now reduces to 8 players fighting for their wincons. I dont think scum will nk you.

Also, gamma what was the reason for your claim?

[Spade_Ace]

@grey scum is not going to nk you. We should lynch you tomorrow and check out who are resisting your lynch. I might get killed tonight.

A bang lynch sounds good today.

I

[Spade_Ace]

But if bang is a town and i end up getting killed at night. Town could end up with just 2 members.

[Spade_Ace]

NM is playing is just trying to avoid Prods. I think you are right, he could have been culted.

[Spade_Ace]

NM is just trying to avoid Prods. I think you are right, he could have been a town who ended up being culted.

[Spade_Ace]

I prefer lynching Spade or anyone from the lurkers. I just hate lurkers. They help aggressive scum get into town leader roles.

@bang who are the lurkers according to you? And if you hate them why havent you directed any questions at them throughout the game?