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Nero Cain has been modkilled!Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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Nero Cain has been mod revived.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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Uh yeah talk to me after you get wagering miller.In post 2344, Nero Cain wrote:
I'd argue that flailing is 10x more likely to come from town than scum.In post 2342, Aj The Epic wrote:Like zefiend has been... slightly more high key about his alignment with his flailing.
Like ok, I can understand the argument that he's fence sitting scum but its just meh since I think that's fairly null. I do kinda like Heartless' thing about him being so quick to rethink his Mastin read but idk...I'm on the fence. Can you guys nom me for a scummy? I think I'm the first scum player with a green pm and that's maybe Kodak moment worthy...
I think flailing completely depends on context of when it occurs. I've been known to scum read people who lose their read real fast like Zefiend did but those people also have a trackrecord of getting talked out of reads (so I reconsider that). And normally it's them being talked out of lynching someone, a sign of insecurity in their reads. Zefiend going the other way (bringing a town read into lynch range) is opportunistic. I mean, I think we both are sitting on the same wavelength here but that's where I'm at.
Given your no comment on my claim, I take it you believe a JK and Molla's JOAT are able to exist both on town?-
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This should not be a thingIn post 2346, Firebringer wrote:TheWayItEnds, Drunken Piper, BBmolla,-
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Are you full? Who'd you keep last night?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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yes, last time I was this confident about her she was scum too (Street Fighter)In post 2342, Aj The Epic wrote:Are you really that confident about Titus?
Like zefiend has been... slightly more high key about his alignment with his flailing.
Will you help lynch Titus tomorrow?In post 2343, Heartless wrote:
no don't give me thatIn post 2341, SirCakez wrote:Titus will get away though <.<
zefiend is scum. you see it. i see it.
let's get this done.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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she is playing just like Street Fighter huh?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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what aj is referring to as zefiend's "flailing" (kind of an imprecise word, imo) is well on the baseline i've seen from his scumgame. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=65913In post 2344, Nero Cain wrote:I'd argue that flailing is 10x more likely to come from town than scum.-
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No she's playing differently from that, but she's still scumIn post 2356, Nero Cain wrote:she is playing just like Street Fighter huh?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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if we're around and we're scumreading herIn post 2355, SirCakez wrote:Will you help lynch Titus tomorrow?
yes-
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I see parallels. Like how she lurked until there was major heat on her/PV and how she tunneled one player exclusivly early game (Jackrito/Infinity) but I guess it doesn't really matter. We both know she's scum. Let us be united in our efforts against the galactic republic.In post 2358, SirCakez wrote:No she's playing differently from that, but she's still scumOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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If it looks like an Infinity, walks like a SirCakez, and talks like a mastina...
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This is so scumIn post 2157, ɀefiend wrote:As to your second point, I will admit that my initial read of the game placed mastina as Town because I didn't think her tone was being faked; that it would come from a bus. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. But if you and other vets in the game are saying this is within scum!mastina's range, I will also give you the benefit of the doubt. I absolutely hate being tricked by tone and my gut feeling is that mastina's was Town who just had a really good tell on Pine. If enough people tell me that my gut is being stupid, I'll stop relying on it.In post 2255, SirCakez wrote:
Yeah looking at his recent posts agreed.In post 2161, Infinity 324 wrote:
This is so scumIn post 2157, ɀefiend wrote:As to your second point, I will admit that my initial read of the game placed mastina as Town because I didn't think her tone was being faked; that it would come from a bus. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. But if you and other vets in the game are saying this is within scum!mastina's range, I will also give you the benefit of the doubt. I absolutely hate being tricked by tone and my gut feeling is that mastina's was Town who just had a really good tell on Pine. If enough people tell me that my gut is being stupid, I'll stop relying on it.In post 2166, ɀefiend wrote:...
These two posts are terribad.In post 2203, ɀefiend wrote:...In post 2293, mastina wrote:
Okay. zefiend's previous posting was null enough: it wasn't town, but it wasn't something I felt was a strong indicator of being scum.In post 2157, ɀefiend wrote:As to your second point, I will admit that my initial read of the game placed mastina as Town because I didn't think her tone was being faked; that it would come from a bus. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. But if you and other vets in the game are saying this is within scum!mastina's range, I will also give you the benefit of the doubt. I absolutely hate being tricked by tone and my gut feeling is that mastina's was Town who just had a really good tell on Pine. If enough people tell me that my gut is being stupid, I'll stop relying on it.
This?
This, though? Pure scumposting.In post 2295, mastina wrote:
Did I say zefiend's last post was pure scumposting?In post 2163, ɀefiend wrote:@Nero
Interesting. You know, from an outsider perspective, the whole You (Nero)-Titus-Infinity triangle is perplexing. You keep hinting at lynching or flipping Infinity or possibly even that he's scum. You do know that that's Titus's top push?
Or is Infinity more like a "wait til more flips to reassess" type of lynch?
I take it back.
zefiend's last post is fucking SAINTLY compared to this.
THIS is essence le scum.In post 2306, mastina wrote:
And this is more scum posting in case there was any doubt to be had.In post 2187, ɀefiend wrote:What the fuck are you talking about?
I read the thread and gave my initial read on mastina. Since then, two people with more tenure have engaged me and I'm trying to walk through their perspective with them. Where did I ever say my read on mastina is now scum or I would consider lynching them?? I said that my position on town-reading mastina based on tone/unlikely to bus Pine was flexible with the proper input.
At this point your are being glaringly dense or scum grasping for straws. There is no way a town mindset concocts some sort of interpretation where my read of mastina flips 180 because of a brief conversation with two players.
The feeling when {Infinity, SirCakez, mastina} are unironically the scumteam. Wow.In post 2322, SirCakez wrote:...
Same with this scumbutt. He was just looking for an excuse to start discrediting, like he's doing with infinity.
Three players, all saying I'm scum, with no evident reasoning. Infinity defending mastina, SirCakez defending Infinity, and mastina posturing on SirCakez. Let's not forget that SirCakez slid a very pointed question I had for him about Pine. Or that now SirCakez is trying to line up lynches:
Let's not forget Infinity claiming mastina was a poor lynch D1 because mastina's a strong player, but also willing to move freely between Klingon and Thinker. Or how about the fact that Infinity wanted Pine for a majority of D1, felt he was the best, scummiest lynch, but abandoned that with no natural progression.In post 2355, SirCakez wrote:
yes, last time I was this confident about her she was scum too (Street Fighter)In post 2342, Aj The Epic wrote:Are you really that confident about Titus?
Like zefiend has been... slightly more high key about his alignment with his flailing.
Will you help lynch Titus tomorrow?In post 2343, Heartless wrote:
no don't give me thatIn post 2341, SirCakez wrote:Titus will get away though <.<
zefiend is scum. you see it. i see it.
let's get this done.
Here are the posts for consideration,@Heartless, that comprise the case I was trying to explain to you earlier. Read them and tell me there is no inconsistency with Infinity's mannerisms towards EoD D1.
Spoiler:
By the way, you are no longer engaging me in good faith. I have tried to explain everything to you. Despite you saying that you understand my points, you are conf-biasing based on my entry post. Your DEFAULT is to assume everything I'm saying afterward is bullshit even though I'm being transparent as possible with my thought process. There is no productive development here. You are claiming to meta read me when you there is plenty of conflict in my meta. 1) I showed you a gamethat you were inwhere I did the exact same sort of catch-up post as town, 2) you assume me to be the type of player who holds my town-reads in high esteem when I am quite the opposite, 3) and you claim that because I didn't ask Nero & Pere for games, I shouldn't take their opinion into account -- I have NEVER asked ANYONE in ANY game I've ever been in to "supply" games for meta tells (the only time I've asked for games is in 3-way-LYLO as a clear, to have more information). I judge things based on the context of the current game. Titus can vouch for me on that as we've completed two recent games where I held strongfast to that mentality with regard to meta.
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Yes, he is, and I'd be happy to bus him if you'd vote with me there! Push come to shove, if nothing else.In post 2106, PeregrineV wrote:SirCake into the scumpile also.
This. So much this.In post 2339, PeregrineV wrote:
Let's see it.In post 2288, mastina wrote:
Yes, he is, and I'd be happy to bus him if you'd vote with me there! Push come to shove, if nothing else.In post 2106, PeregrineV wrote:SirCake into the scumpile also.
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you spelled Titus wrong.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Nero, why do you tunnel me in every game? You and Cakez both have mistepresented my early game vla as lurking, and now that I am here, you refuse to engage me but continuously take potshots and spam.
I have asked you repeatedly for your stance on BBMolla and Mastina. Nothing.
Everytime a wagon gets going, you speculate that I am their partner. Yet, you haven't speculated that with SirCakez. Why?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Cakez is town.
Mastina I've been hard pushing and I can't fathom that a town you that's active and engaged wouldn't know this.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Molla I'm kinda fence sitting on. I'm weighing the whole AJ is a keeper and can that exist with Bollas role if the vanilla thing is a scum gambit. Though its a marathon not a sprint so we'll see how flips go.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I don't see how this is any different than you.In post 2363, Titus wrote:refuse to engage me but continuously take potshots
Can you talk to me about your scumreads because you seem to go back and forth between scum and town all the time.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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yeah.... what i see is a bunch of quotes and i STILL have no idea what the conclusion i'm supposed to draw from them is. what's supposed to be out-of-sorts here?In post 2361, ɀefiend wrote:Read them and tell me there is no inconsistency with Infinity's mannerisms towards EoD D1.
so throwing a bunch of quotes at me constitutes the good faith effort on your part and now it's back on me?In post 2361, ɀefiend wrote:By the way, you are no longer engaging me in good faith. I have tried to explain everything to you. Despite you saying that you understand my points, you are conf-biasing based on my entry post. Your DEFAULT is to assume everything I'm saying afterward is bullshit even though I'm being transparent as possible with my thought process. There is no productive development here.
nice try, but that's not "engagement"
....and the fact that you had that game on-hand tells me you're very ACUTELY aware of the meta so... no, no townie-points for you.In post 2361, ɀefiend wrote:1) I showed you a game that you were in where I did the exact same sort of catch-up post as town
given that the probability of townreads are FAR more likely to be accurate than scumreads just through sheer numbers, this is a very illogical habit, but whatever...In post 2361, ɀefiend wrote:2) you assume me to be the type of player who holds my town-reads in high esteem when I am quite the opposite,
now you're misstating my issue. the issue isn't "taking other people's opinions into account." it's "there's this strange absence of YOUR own judgment and/or curiosity in this WHOLE process." that should be present even when you're taking other people's opinions into account. ESPECIALLY when the "other people" are null reads. unless you're in the habit of taking null reads' opinions at face value and there's no fucking wayIn post 2361, ɀefiend wrote:and you claim that because I didn't ask Nero & Pere for games, I shouldn't take their opinion into account-
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oh and, you know, i'm glad you brought up RC's game again because i remember IMMEDIATELY townreading that catchup (because you were town that time) so no you can't claim i'm just scumreading style-
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Read the quotes in the context of my earlier summation case on Infinity. There is blatant pandering to wagons (KoC and Thinker, both town btw), avoidance to wagon (mastina), and dissonance between words and actions on the Pine wagon. All of this directly contrasts with a "no time to act" mantra he was spewing.In post 2367, Heartless wrote:
yeah.... what i see is a bunch of quotes and i STILL have no idea what the conclusion i'm supposed to draw from them is. what's supposed to be out-of-sorts here?In post 2361, ɀefiend wrote:Read them and tell me there is no inconsistency with Infinity's mannerisms towards EoD D1.
so throwing a bunch of quotes at me constitutes the good faith effort on your part and now it's back on me?In post 2361, ɀefiend wrote:By the way, you are no longer engaging me in good faith. I have tried to explain everything to you. Despite you saying that you understand my points, you are conf-biasing based on my entry post. Your DEFAULT is to assume everything I'm saying afterward is bullshit even though I'm being transparent as possible with my thought process. There is no productive development here.
nice try, but that's not "engagement"
....and the fact that you had that game on-hand tells me you're very ACUTELY aware of the meta so... no, no townie-points for you.In post 2361, ɀefiend wrote:1) I showed you a game that you were in where I did the exact same sort of catch-up post as town
given that the probability of townreads are FAR more likely to be accurate than scumreads just through sheer numbers, this is a very illogical habit, but whatever...In post 2361, ɀefiend wrote:2) you assume me to be the type of player who holds my town-reads in high esteem when I am quite the opposite,
now you're misstating my issue. the issue isn't "taking other people's opinions into account." it's "there's this strange absence of YOUR own judgment and/or curiosity in this WHOLE process." that should be present even when you're taking other people's opinions into account. ESPECIALLY when the "other people" are null reads. unless you're in the habit of taking null reads' opinions at face value and there's no fucking wayIn post 2361, ɀefiend wrote:and you claim that because I didn't ask Nero & Pere for games, I shouldn't take their opinion into account
This was your initial problem with my post:
I brought up the RC game to show that my intentions were exactly the same, I wasn't TRYING to be anything but superficial. I was trying to lay out my first-read-thru thoughts on paper and that's what I did here.In post 2237, Heartless wrote:
anyway back to thisIn post 2225, Heartless wrote:bc you use a ton of words to say not very much and the reads themselves are so cookie cutter and meh
talk about this more when not on a phone
in the opening post i feel like he's just sort of going through the motions and dryly pointing out things that MIGHT be scummy but there's really no direction to any of the thoughts and most all the reads just kind of end up in this weird limbo. i'm not really seeing any effort to go beyond surface level or any attempt to say what the most LIKELY situation is. it's the appearance of "gamesolving" without really solving anything.
How was I not taking my own judgment into account? As a first time player with mastina I picked up on a pure tonal read on her which led me to believe she was town. As the only person who commented on her tone this game (besides perhaps herself) how can you assert that my independent thoughts weren't going into this process?
Peregrine was null as of the catch-up post because of the LUV slot. But he immediately towned it up and made several points about mastina. That in combination with Nero's points heavily challenged my one-dimensjonal read on mastina and so I promised to reassess. For some reason you're not seeing this progression as a good thing and instead just conf-biasing through all my explanations. Look at the depth of my play since then and get with the program.-
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Like, you're not even reading the substance of my posts. You're just brigading all of my other content. How do I know this? You admitted you follow my explanations and yet you don't even acknowledge my efforts at hunting other players (even though you asked for me to help you understand my reads)In post 2369, Heartless wrote:cakez, please vote zefiend
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NOW we're not even talking about the same eventIn post 2370, ɀefiend wrote:How was I not taking my own judgment into account? As a first time player with mastina I picked up on a pure tonal read on her which led me to believe she was town. As the only person who commented on her tone this game (besides perhaps herself) how can you assert that my independent thoughts weren't going into this process?
^this is talking about the formulation of the initial mastin "read"
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what were these points?In post 2370, ɀefiend wrote:That in combination with Nero's points heavily challenged my one-dimensjonal read on mastina
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