Open 671: Greater Idea - OVER

[Kop]

Also we need to be careful now. Coz if anyone wants to be a cult, they would target u. These would be players who wanted to be scum but got both town roles. So those with town discards.

I don't think anyone will want to be a cult in between the game. Getting a wincon as a cult is quite difficult. So I doubt anyone would willing target me at night.

Cult doesn't have a nightkill, so they have to rely on mislynches, dodging death, and recruiting to win.

Nobody WANTS to be in a cult.

I agree i hav zero experience with cult. But I dont completely agred. Think of a player who wanted to play some anti town role but got both town cards. Black goo is like an angel to them.

Lack of night kill doesnt take away their fun of having anti town role, especially with a continuously increading chance of expanding faction

Black goo doesn't win with cult here

I think keeping him in the game isn't such a bad idea. I can't see scum or any active PR visiting him and his win con is to win with town.

Only way I can see scum targeting black goo is if they are suspected and the last remaining scum, and taking a chance at having a pop so they can join cult and go out winning.

[Aristodog]

VC will come after this.
So many questions!!

@MOD if there is a Saulus in the game, does the other mafia member know about it? If they know that role exists, do they know the identity of that player?

The Mafia would n know neither that the role exists nor their identity.

@MOD do alignment changes only happen as a function of existing roles? Or is it possible for people to have their wincons be changed in the middle of the game?

Alignment changes cam only occur within the bounds of the chosen roles within this game.

@Mod,

I think some of us are playing this setup for the first time, so a lot of queries from last few pages will get solved if you answer these 3 questions clearly-

1. If a faction player (scum, werewolf, alien) targets black goo and gets converted to cult, will the alignment change be made known to the other partners of the faction? If no, wont it be obvious due to that player being deleted from the factional chat PT?

2. Does the members of scum faction know the identity of saulus from game start?

3. If a saulus/judas is lynched, will you end day with revealing their roles or will it be just end of day with lynch failed?

1. If a kill is attempted on a Black Goo, the killer will not change alignment. If any other action is performed, the player's alignment will change and they will lose access to their Factional PTs should they have any.

2. See previous answer.

3. The day would end in a failed lynch.

@ Mod, I will be V/LA till Monday. Will try to keep checking in between though.

Noted.

[Spade_Ace]

If a kill is attempted on a Black Goo, the killer will not change alignment.

If any other action is performed, the player's alignment will change and they will lose access to their Factional PTs should they have any.

Well that means the role isn't immune. So it is basically useless.

[Gamma Emerald]

OK that's fucked up.

[bangthemafia]

Yes. Thats fucked up. I think both Spade and Grey could have clarified these simple issues with mod. Esp Spade, if u r really black goo u shud hav checked out the powers with the mod before claiming.

[bangthemafia]

@grey I don't mind being lynched if it is for the the town's benefit. But I want to be convinced that it is beneficial first. Not arguments like a person who wanted to play scum might target me at night sort of.

Assuming I am not lynched, there are 8 alive. I am assuming there won't be more than two scum in each faction right now. Excluding me, they have 5 players to choose from. It is not like there are just 1or 2 players left and my existence is hurting their survival chances. Even if am lynched, scum could still end up killing a power role. So you end up losing one confimed Townie and a PR.

Awww. Such a sacrificial statement. You dont mind being lynched if its for town's benefit!?

Ok answer my question. If town had only 2 choices- you and Grey for lynch, whom do you think we shud lynch? And why?

You said- "Even if am lynched, scum could still end up killing a power role. So you end up losing one confimed Townie and a PR."

Well, one, thats what i was trying to say, if we dont find anyone scummier by end of day2, maybe we shud just lynch you, if scum kills a PR, we can lynch Grey on day3, and get back 1 townie though VT. If scum kills Grey, they are killing an anti townie.

Two, you are not at all a confirmed townie. For me its too much of a coincidence that my top scum read claims a role thats almost untouchable to town PRs.

[bangthemafia]

Also we need to be careful now. Coz if anyone wants to be a cult, they would target u. These would be players who wanted to be scum but got both town roles. So those with town discards.

I don't think anyone will want to be a cult in between the game. Getting a wincon as a cult is quite difficult. So I doubt anyone would willing target me at night.

Cult doesn't have a nightkill, so they have to rely on mislynches, dodging death, and recruiting to win.

Nobody WANTS to be in a cult.

I agree i hav zero experience with cult. But I dont completely agred. Think of a player who wanted to play some anti town role but got both town cards. Black goo is like an angel to them.

Lack of night kill doesnt take away their fun of having anti town role, especially with a continuously increading chance of expanding faction

Black goo doesn't win with cult here

Right. My bad.

But what beats me is why a black goo would not have researched/discussed with mod and known fully aboit the role and its immunity. How and why wouldnt a real black goo not know that kills will be succesful on him?

Only when he is fakeclaiming and was not bothered in first place about getting NKed

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what I think?
I think bang is mafia/other scum trying his damnedest to lynch a townie player, so he can kill someone else tonight

[bangthemafia]

U r wrong Gamma. I am a town. Just weighing the options because I just dont trust Spade and his claim. If there was any bloody to confirm their claims, I would just go for one of Dave or NM.

[Vaxkiller]

That is 4 votes. L-1. Time to claim.

I am a

Black Goo

. Anyone who targets me joins the Cult faction. I win when town wins.

I'm caught up. Why negative town utility over alien prober? Also why didnt you fucking claim day1 instead of (possibly)converting someone? If I had the option of Alien prober or black goo, Id choose the alien because it would help myself and my potential team. Your choice did neither!

[Vaxkiller]

I am a town.

When people say this I cringe.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Charloux. Nice to see you again.

@grey I don't think it was shitty. I like being surprised.

My choice was pretty Wild....
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wait for it.
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... card.
It was wildcard. The only role whose revealation has zero impact.

Vax is scum.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm still lost on grey offering himself up for a lynch, how would this help town to get a failed lynch?

[Gamma Emerald]

Grey counts as mafia for win condition purposes.

[Vaxkiller]

Hey Charloux. Nice to see you again.

@grey I don't think it was shitty. I like being surprised.

My choice was pretty Wild....
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wait for it.
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... card.
It was wildcard. The only role whose revealation has zero impact.

Vax is scum.

You quote spade and call me scum?

[Not_Mafia]

Why are we not lynching black goo?

[Vaxkiller]

Because a lot of shit is going on right now. Grey claimed Saulus for one. I'm not sure about him.

Grey, are you claiming to still be mafia aligned at the moment? (You didn't already change to town?)

[-Grey-]

You know what I think?
I think bang is mafia/other scum trying his damnedest to lynch a townie player, so he can kill someone else tonight

I kinda agree. He's painting laziness as malice.

[Spade_Ace]

@vax I chose wildcard not 'black goo'. This was assigned to me after all the discards.

@bang I thought the word 'target' was self-evident to include kills as well. Though I did ask the mod something else.

@NM black goo is a town role.

[Spade_Ace]

@grey at this point town is probably going to lose two members

[-Grey-]

Grey, are you claiming to still be mafia aligned at the moment? (You didn't already change to town?)

I have to be lynched to become town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Charloux. Nice to see you again.

@grey I don't think it was shitty. I like being surprised.

My choice was pretty Wild....
.
.
.
wait for it.
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.
.
... card.
It was wildcard. The only role whose revealation has zero impact.

Vax is scum.

You quote spade and call me scum?

Spade picked wild card. Do you still scumread him?

[Vaxkiller]

@vax I chose wildcard not 'black goo'. This was assigned to me after all the discards.

Oh yeah, well that makes more sense. Still, why didnt you tell anyone?

[Vaxkiller]

Grey, are you claiming to still be mafia aligned at the moment? (You didn't already change to town?)

I have to be lynched to become town.

Wiki says "or other kill"

[-Grey-]

Grey, are you claiming to still be mafia aligned at the moment? (You didn't already change to town?)

I have to be lynched to become town.

Wiki says "or other kill"

I noez. I missed a detail.

Now bang will scumread me.