~laundry~ FIN

[Pine]

You'll notice that, with three active wagons, the only one that is being seriously pushed is the one that is on scum, but SOMEHOW can't get enough votes to seal the deal?

Honestly. If Creature were Town, with 2.5 hours to deadline, scum would be CREAMING THEIR PANTS for the free excuse to "compromise on a deadline lynch OOPS IT WAS TOWN WHY DID YOU MAKE ME COMPROMISE"

[Nachomamma8]

You'll notice that, with three active wagons, the only one that is being seriously pushed is the one that is on scum, but SOMEHOW can't get enough votes to seal the deal?

Honestly. If Creature were Town, with 2.5 hours to deadline, scum would be CREAMING THEIR PANTS for the free excuse to "compromise on a deadline lynch OOPS IT WAS TOWN WHY DID YOU MAKE ME COMPROMISE"

you'll notice that the wagon being compromised on is... creature.
so umm no this doesn't make sense but keep pluggin away bud

[Nachomamma8]

I'm disappointed you keep teasing me with this enticing scumread and then end up floating away shortly after; if you really think i'm scum then you know you're not getting anywhere if you end up constantly running away.

[Pine]

It's that you're actively doing stuff that doesn't make much sense, ignoring important things, and are not gamesolving.

pick one.
explain it.

Well, given that what I just said is mostly an opinion-based assessment of your general activity level, that isn't an especially fair demand. I can't point to a particular post and say THIS RIGHT HERE when I'm talking about larger patterns, now can I?

I can, however, turn that right back around on you, and demand that you prove me full of shit by citing examples of you making logical deductions, identifying pertinent facts/making observations, or attempting to gamesolve. The difference is that while it is almost impossible to prove the absence of something, it is SUPER EASY to prove it exists.

Ball's in your court.

[Fro99er]

Votecount 1.23

I regret trying to put flavor in every votecount. Just these 3 votecounts doing jack shit is such a relief.

SlySly

(6): drealmerz7, Ser Arthur Dayne, Zachstralkita, Fro99er, Toogeloo, Nosferatu

Creature

(3): McMenno, gerryoat, Pine

gerryoat

(3): Nachomamma8, Andrius, Desperado

Desperado

(1): Firebringer

Pine

(1): MariaR

Zachstralkita

(1): Creature

Not Voting

(2): Tammy, SlySly
17 players, 9 majority.

Deadline in (expired on 2017-02-01 17:30:00)

Votecount 1.15

In this votecount, EP makes the observation that "Ser Arthur Dayne" shares all but one letter with "laundry"

gerryoat

(7): Nachomamma8, Creature, Andrius, SlySly, Desperado, Toogeloo, drealmerz7

Andrius

(3): Zachstralkita, Nosferatu, Fro99er

Creature

(2): McMenno, Ser Arthur Dayne

Desperado

(1): Firebringer

Firebringer

(1): MariaR

Ser Arthur Dayne

(1): Pine

Not Voting

(2): Tammy, gerryoat
17 players, 9 majority.

Deadline in (expired on 2017-02-01 17:30:00)

If creature flips scum, Nacho is very suspect to me.

If creature flips town, these two wagons (the one on Gerry and the one on Sly) are interesting. Which is the scum and which is the town. Personally, I feel better about sly being scum, because that sly wagon has more of my townreads.

[Nachomamma8]

sly isn't scum though

[Nachomamma8]

Well, given that what I just said is mostly an opinion-based assessment of your general activity level, that isn't an especially fair demand. I can't point to a particular post and say THIS RIGHT HERE when I'm talking about larger patterns, now can I?

I can, however, turn that right back around on you, and demand that you prove me full of shit by citing examples of you making logical deductions, identifying pertinent facts/making observations, or attempting to gamesolve. The difference is that while it is almost impossible to prove the absence of something, it is SUPER EASY to prove it exists.

Ball's in your court.

"Doing stuff that doesn't make sense" - easy to prove by pointing things that don't make sense.
"Ignoring important things" - easy to prove by pointing to things that I'm ignoring.
Gamesolving - OK.

[Pine]

You'll notice that, with three active wagons, the only one that is being seriously pushed is the one that is on scum, but SOMEHOW can't get enough votes to seal the deal?

Honestly. If Creature were Town, with 2.5 hours to deadline, scum would be CREAMING THEIR PANTS for the free excuse to "compromise on a deadline lynch OOPS IT WAS TOWN WHY DID YOU MAKE ME COMPROMISE"

you'll notice that the wagon being compromised on is... creature.
so umm no this doesn't make sense but keep pluggin away bud

How is Creature the compromise? The Creature wagon predates both the Sly wagon and the Gerry wagon, and has been the only consistent one. It's also the only one that has any real LIFE to it. The Sly wagon has been dead in the water at 5-6 for ages with nothing new or interesting, and the Gerry wagon is the "I dunno, maybe?" wagon.

Creature is the only viable wagon that has a solid foundation.

[Fro99er]

You'll notice that, with three active wagons, the only one that is being seriously pushed is the one that is on scum, but SOMEHOW can't get enough votes to seal the deal?

Honestly. If Creature were Town, with 2.5 hours to deadline, scum would be CREAMING THEIR PANTS for the free excuse to "compromise on a deadline lynch OOPS IT WAS TOWN WHY DID YOU MAKE ME COMPROMISE"

you'll notice that the wagon being compromised on is... creature.
so umm no this doesn't make sense but keep pluggin away bud

I mean, I think pine's makes more sense.

Could be town was split over town!Sly and town!Gerry, and are compromising on scum.

If Creature was town I agree he'd probably be lynched pretty quickly.

[Pine]

If Creature was town I agree he'd probably be lynched pretty quickly.

This right here is the important thing. If Creature were Town, scum would have an absolutely free shot at him right now. There wouldn't be a whisper of consequence. The fallout would be "Oh it was a deadline compromise, bad decisions were made."

Instead, he's scum and they're desperately clinging to vanity wagons and counterwagons hoping to wait out the clock.

[Andrius]

Agree with what Pine's saying - at this juncture I think there's enough people missing/staying on their vanity wagons to, collectively, prevent us from doing things.

[Toogeloo]

You guys really have a hard time reading between the lines.

Says the guy who I told to read between the lines and didn't see Tammy/Me as Masons.

[Pine]

Creature

(6): McMenno, gerryoat, Pine, Andrius, Nachomamma8, Fro99er

SlySly

(5): drealmerz7, Ser Arthur Dayne, Zachstralkita, Nosferatu, MariaR

gerryoat

(3):

Toogeloo

, SlySly, Desperado

Desperado

(1):

Firebringer

Zachstralkita

(1): Creature

Not Voting

(1):

Tammy

Really, Toogeloo? Because I was just looking at this, and the people who are objectively helping the least right now are bolded. I am seriously questioning the Mason claim.

[Fro99er]

Toog, now is not the time for that. Vote creature.

[Pine]

Creature

(6): McMenno, gerryoat, Pine, Andrius, Nachomamma8, Fro99er

SlySly

(5):

drealmerz7

, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Zachstralkita

,

Nosferatu, MariaR

gerryoat

(3):

Toogeloo

, SlySly, Desperado

Desperado

(1):

Firebringer

Zachstralkita

(1): Creature

Not Voting

(1):

Tammy

This is actually the completed version of that. I posted an incomplete version in haste because Toogeloo being present and useless infuriates me way more than the people who are AFK and useless.

[Andrius]

I am seriously questioning the Mason claim.

I mean, I know THE ONLY INNOCENTS ARE BODIES but that doesn't mean they're scum.

[Toogeloo]

What is the case on creature again?

[Toogeloo]

gerry and Sly are my preferred lynches, if I were to change, it would likely be back on Sly, I would only vote creature in the waning minutes of day if it prevents a No Lynch.

[Toogeloo]

We're just going in circles anyways. The only person who has reached L-1 all day has been SAD.

[Fro99er]

gerry and Sly are my preferred lynches, if I were to change, it would likely be back on Sly, I would only vote creature in the waning minutes of day if it prevents a No Lynch.

Why don't you think creature is scum?

Rephrased, why do you think Creature is town?

[Pine]

Criteria for the above: Bolded are the people who are being inflexible about their vote, who seem to be ignoring the deadline situation and just whistling their way to deadline. People given a pass were the people who have expressed hard reads excluding the other viable wagons, people who have been moving their vote around to adapt to the situation, even if their vote is stupid, and people who have been actively and repeatedly justifying their vote. SAD, for example, appears to be the true believer on the Sly wagon, while the others are mostly ghosts parking their vote. Same for Desp on Gerry. The entire Creature wagon, not counting scum!Nacho, has been consistent and ardent.

[Toogeloo]

why should I think he is scum? He's been largely useless, sure, but I have no interest in lynching a Watcher claim when I have issues with other claims, and if we are going to lynch based on overall usefulness, I can think of a lot of other players other than creature who should be lynched as well. So again, why is he a lynch candidate?

[Toogeloo]

Pine, your bolded above are people who won't lynch Creature, that's the simple of it. The same thing could be said for your unbolded not wanting to lynch Sly or gerry.

[Fro99er]

Actually, if creature were town and sly was scum, then sly is almost confscum in my mind, because he wants to be off town.

and if creature is scum, then we hit scum, yay, but sly doesn't get a point toward the doublevote.

[Pine]

Honestly. If Creature were Town, with 2.5 hours to deadline, scum would be CREAMING THEIR PANTS for the free excuse to "compromise on a deadline lynch OOPS IT WAS TOWN WHY DID YOU MAKE ME COMPROMISE"

Right this minute, Toogeloo, this is the only case that matters.

Read my ISO for more details.

PEdit: First of all, Watcher is a very common and useful scum role. Second, this is role madness. We cannot and will not pull back on someone because they claimed a limited and frankly fairly pedestrian role. Third, there are a metric shitload of investigative and pseudo-investigative roles claimed ALREADY, some of them have to be false. I think it's Creature, the one so far that has the most scum utility.

Pine, your bolded above are people who won't lynch Creature, that's the simple of it. The same thing could be said for your unbolded not wanting to lynch Sly or gerry.

This is a gross oversimplification.