Open 671: Greater Idea - OVER

[-Grey-]

Leaving aside the content of your posts,

Ignore anything you want in order to justify your self-righteousness.

[-Grey-]

Everyone knows that I tried it with you

That's a flat out lie.

You've been angling to justify a scumread on me from the beginning.

[-Grey-]

What was it that alban said, that made you change your read on me, from top townread to top scumread.

I'm convinced that one of you are scum.

Alban, as shit as his posts are, looks the townier of the two of you. Which I really dislike admitting, btw.

[Gamma Emerald]

My reads so far. More for myself so that I don't have to re-read:
Town
Vax (reasonable, logical), NM (looks like in a tvt with RC)

Null
Bang (mixed reactions on his posts), Dave, Kop & Gamma (no clear reads on them), Grey (illogical, selective blindness towards Spade's scumtells. scumleaning)

Scum
Spade (very opportunistic. especially with buddying and jumping the votes wherever the wagon is going)

VOTE: Spade

Will elaborate in 24 hours.

Pedit: You are an idiot, Grey.

>proceeds to lynch before you can get these thoughts out
do it now

[-Grey-]

My reads so far. More for myself so that I don't have to re-read:
Town
Vax (reasonable, logical), NM (looks like in a tvt with RC)

Null
Bang (mixed reactions on his posts), Dave, Kop & Gamma (no clear reads on them), Grey (illogical, selective blindness towards Spade's scumtells. scumleaning)

Scum
Spade (very opportunistic. especially with buddying and jumping the votes wherever the wagon is going)

VOTE: Spade

Will elaborate in 24 hours.

Pedit: You are an idiot, Grey.

>proceeds to lynch before you can get these thoughts out
do it now

He already did.

Shading noted.

[Gamma Emerald]

@grey if you had checked the 'place on the site' where i was active between the two posts, you will realise how much more imp it was that i participated there.

If this game isn't worth your time, replace out.

Selective activity is scummy.

do I need to quote the post that explains the "right" way to pressure activity
because your way is terrible, and sorta scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

My reads so far. More for myself so that I don't have to re-read:
Town
Vax (reasonable, logical), NM (looks like in a tvt with RC)

Null
Bang (mixed reactions on his posts), Dave, Kop & Gamma (no clear reads on them), Grey (illogical, selective blindness towards Spade's scumtells. scumleaning)

Scum
Spade (very opportunistic. especially with buddying and jumping the votes wherever the wagon is going)

VOTE: Spade

Will elaborate in 24 hours.

Pedit: You are an idiot, Grey.

>proceeds to lynch before you can get these thoughts out
do it now

He already did.

Shading noted.

It was partly a joke referring to a past game

[-Grey-]

You're just looking for excuses to shade, Gamma.

[Gamma Emerald]

ok well guess what
I'm pointing out things I take issue with, if that comes off as shading then whatever

[-Grey-]

do I need to quote the post that explains the "right" way to pressure activity
because your way is terrible, and sorta scummy

This, for example, is bullshit.

Actions are not scummy. Anything town can do, scum can do. Anything scum can do, town can do too.

What is done means nothing. It's why that matters.

WHY I'm pressuring Spade over his selective activity is because I suspect it was a strategic move to lie low on d1, followed by an attempt to garner some towncred for bussing after his buddy screwed the pooch.

[Gamma Emerald]

imo it's better to take a more respectful approach to selective activity, instead of assuming it is scummy, you should press them to explain it

[Spade_Ace]

Mention reasons for your top scum and townreads.

Scumread - Dave. He is either being setup or he is scum. There is a high chance for multiple scum factions in this game. That means the number of members in each faction is fewer. So if Charloux and Dave, belong to the same scum faction (mafia), then I can see Dave's motivation in killing Lowell to protect his wincon and then claiming that it was a setup.

Townreads- Grey, his reads reflect and change based on the game development. His aggressive scum hunting seems genuine to me and not forced. He is able to backup most of his reads logically.
Gamma: Mainly cos his reads were similar to mine. He is also actively involved in the game and his overall approach seems town motivated to me.

[-Grey-]

imo it's better to take a more respectful approach to selective activity, instead of assuming it is scummy, you should press them to explain it

More scummy shadecasting.

I didn't say anything that was disrespectful in the slightest over that push, and I think everybody in this game knows that I have the tools to show mad disrespect.

[Spade_Ace]

What was it that alban said, that made you change your read on me, from top townread to top scumread.

I'm convinced that one of you are scum.

Alban, as shit as his posts are, looks the townier of the two of you. Which I really dislike admitting, btw.

Do you feel he is townier cos he seems to be attacking and challenging you whereas am not? Cos that could also be a mental bias.

[-Grey-]

What was it that alban said, that made you change your read on me, from top townread to top scumread.

I'm convinced that one of you are scum.

Alban, as shit as his posts are, looks the townier of the two of you. Which I really dislike admitting, btw.

Do you feel he is townier cos he seems to be attacking and challenging you whereas am not? Cos that could also be a mental bias.

On the flip side of that coin, why haven't

you

?

It's almost like you know I'm town.

Also, I'm not a fan of the way you were pushing NM to vote me in 231/232.

346 looks like scum pouncing on an excuse to PL. Self-voting is NAI, it's self-hammers that are scummy, and that's because they are done to terminate discussion. And hell, town self-hammers too, for that matter.

VOTE: Charloux
If he is scum why did Charloux choose RC as his kill? No faction has daychat right?

Hmm. Yes.

This doesn't look like town that discovered caught scum.

It looks, upon reread of your ISO, like scum that was cornered into bussing.

Don't understand? Here's what I see when I read between the lines:

VOTE: Charloux
If he is scum why did Charloux choose RC as his kill? No faction has daychat right?

{Charloux is in trouble here, but maybe I can distract town with irrelevant theory.}

Hmm. Yes.

{Well, I can't fight this.}

[davesaz]

I agree with the observations on Spade_Ace. I saw 485/487 last night when trying to switch to offense mode but ran out of gas.
VOTE: Spade_Ace

I'm sick, have been the past couple days. Enough to make it harder to concentrate. The dayquil/nyquil helps but the resulting buzz does not.

[Spade_Ace]

That is 4 votes. L-1. Time to claim.

I am a

Black Goo

. Anyone who targets me joins the Cult faction. I win when town wins.

[Spade_Ace]

I still didn't understand what your point is. I discarded alien prober, kept wildcard. Was given the new role when the game started.

You are saying your role is "Wild Card"

@grey and vaxkiller I dare you both to get me lynched today.

This can easily happen. Though I understand your exasoeration.

That wasn't an actual dare. I was trying to convey that I have a role that can be easily verified as town.

But it appears that i was mistaken on the actual power of my role and cant be verified.

My role is weird. I win when town wins. But my power is anti-town. Dont know what to do with that

.

[-Grey-]

I buy the claim and the wiki confirms it's a negative utility townie.

UNVOTE:

[davesaz]

UNVOTE:
I'm awake enough to see that.
I'm not sure it's not a fakeclaim though. It would be far better to claim it right away, to keep town from targeting and getting culted. Scum could fakeclaim that because it will permanently take them off the night target list (unless there is someone who wants to be cult) and town will prefer to not lynch a semi-confirmed player. I think this needs discussion. I don't know if I'm all there, if you get what I mean.

[-Grey-]

Yeah, but either way I don't want him in hammer range.

We can always run him back up if it comes to that.

[Spade_Ace]

@davesaz i didnt know whether to claim early or not. That is why i posted 198, where i mentioned my power is anti-town. If the majority thought it was best to claim, i would have. But i guess no one noticed it other than Gamma. And he didn't say anything more.

If i was a major suspect on day 1, i would have def claimed b4 the night started. There was also a chance that scum could target me. It would have screwed with their plans.

[-Grey-]

Looking at alban's discard, along with his play today, I really don't think he's scum.

Mafia Cupid is a great scum role.

[Spade_Ace]

!

NM's only post today.

NM and Kop should contribute more.

[-Grey-]

Spade, as far as I'm concerned us lynching mafia yesterday bought you breathing room.

If we continue to lynch mafia, I'm fine with letting you live... but if we get one mislynch, we need to seriously consider lynching you due to the simple fact we can't actually verify your claim.