Micro 680: Matrix6 No Reveal (Game Over!?)

[EchoVision]

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2. so what's preventing me from stating the law with dont_vote_me??

[Alisae]

Actually fuck the PP lynch, that's scummy that they're pushing Karnos off of one post but what's even more scummy is Echo's attempt at a reach.
Echo have you even read any of my completed games?

No, and I don't really care to.

Then you can't judge what my town or scumgame looks like because you aren't bothering to do the #research behind it (I never rolled scum in my completed games anyways)
VOTE: EchoVision

[PenguinPower]

2. so what's preventing me from stating the law with dont_vote_me??

Because I can point to a statistically significant amount of games where it's true? Can you and DVM?

[EchoVision]

Actually fuck the PP lynch, that's scummy that they're pushing Karnos off of one post but what's even more scummy is Echo's attempt at a reach.
Echo have you even read any of my completed games?

No, and I don't really care to.

Then you can't judge what my town or scumgame looks like because you aren't bothering to do the #research behind it (I never rolled scum in my completed games anyways)
VOTE: EchoVision

well I know your town game and I bet my left ass cheek that this isn't it

[Alisae]

Actually fuck the PP lynch, that's scummy that they're pushing Karnos off of one post but what's even more scummy is Echo's attempt at a reach.
Echo have you even read any of my completed games?

No, and I don't really care to.

Then you can't judge what my town or scumgame looks like because you aren't bothering to do the #research behind it (I never rolled scum in my completed games anyways)
VOTE: EchoVision

well I know your town game and I bet my left ass cheek that this isn't it

And you haven't done any research into my completed games, so how can you know this isn't my towngame?

[PenguinPower]

Echo. Please stop. You're about to make me not vote karnos. I can't reconcile my feelings if I do that.

[Alisae]

Another thing. Dunno if this is a reach or not, but Echo wanting me to spam cuz he thinks that's my towngame may indicate he knows I'm town and he would know this because he's scum.

[EchoVision]

I know we aren't very far into this game, but you're not actually scum hunting. Originally what I said was just meant to be a reaction test because I've learned shit as I've gained more experience, and it worked. You're not actually scum hunting (like I said before). Your vote on me has no reasoning that doesn't relate to my vote on you. You only have 1 vote on you that didn't have shit for evidence against it, and you're already playing too defensively. You're reaching on every single reason you have against me because you don't want me up your ass about this. I was pulling shit out of my ass before but I guess I'm right. this is NOT your town game.

I'm not taking my vote off of you until one of us dies

[Alisae]

Or I'm just very overeactive.
And I have been scumhunting. So saying I'm not is misrepping me.

[Alisae]

And I'm defending myself while attacking you.
Are you saying I can't do both?

[Aristophanes]

The Law of Inverse Alignment states that if PenguinPower is town, then karnos is scum. Thusly, if karnos is town, then PenguinPower is scum.

This has only ever been disproven twice on this site, and very recently. But - I can usually read karnos well given we both come from the same HS.

Lol I have one of those with Shaddowez! Has yet to be disproven.

I really like the Echo vote better though. He has shown himself to be scummy.

[EchoVision]

Or I'm just very overeactive.
And I have been scumhunting. So saying I'm not is misrepping me.

I know you off of site and you're not an over reactive person. and other stuff I can't say but oh well again I'll say it eventually

[shannon]

UNVOTE:

Actually nvm

21 looks a bit like over analyzation

VOTE: the hamster

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VOTE: The Hamster Guy With a Cute Ass Picture

Transcend it looks to me like you left my wagon as some kind of reaction test. You don't strike me as the sort of person to say 'never mind' after L-1ing someone on a page 1 wagon. So, did you get what you were after? What did you learn from the way that people joined/didn't join my wagon?

I don't see what's wrong with the overanalyzation.
I think they just want to leave RVS as early as possible so they're town for that to me.

Their join date:
Joined: January 25, 2017

I checked this out, and it's right - Hammy joined on Jan 25 and this is his first game on site. The thing is, I don't think he's new altogether.

Alisae, you say you think he wanted to leave RVS ASAP. This is not how newbie town thinks, IMHO. In all my newbie games (and I mean, with actual newbies to mafia, not people with off site experience), people have been unsure 1) about what RVS even is, and 2) how on earth you actually get from RVS to getting reads on people and voting. It's also weird that Hammy would pick a non-newbie game to start on site, unless he has experience.

I think you are trying to get us to view Hammy in a way that assumes he doesn't know what he's doing. I think he knows what he's doing. I think I know what *you're* doing, too, and you're not being very subtle about it.

Their join date:
Joined: January 25, 2017

So what

The post was bad

Why are you defending this slot

They want to start analyzing things to get us out of RVS.
I don't see how getting us out of RVS is a bad thing.
Plus I figured it was the kind of post that would get scum to jump onto them like dogs to a bone.

Alisae how was Hammy's post designed to get scum to jump on him?

And, why would scum jump on Hammy's post? To try to derail my lynch (not happening, I'm town so why would they?) or to try to lynch Hammy for it (why would they, when I'm at L-1?).

Give the hamster a chance to defend themselves.

No I'm just looking at it from a newb!scum perspective.
If hamster was newb!scum he would make more time into deciding if he wanted to put shannon at L-2.
I feel they would be more careful about it.

How would I know that it's an alt? And even if I did guess correctly on it being an alt, how would I know who the alt belonged to?

At this point I rescind my previous statement that Alisae is genuine. 'Give the hamster a chance to defend themselves' from like one or two votes, vs. happily having me at L-1 when I've announced that I've gone to bed and you know I'm in a totally different time zone. Weren't so keen to give me a chance, were you?

How do you know what newb!scum will do? Shouldn't newb town also think really hard before L-2ing someone? How could NewbieTownHamster be so prescient as to try to move us out of RVS, yet so thoughtless as to L-2 a townie?

Also, it was you who originally put me at L-2. It went Karnos (11), Transcend (12), Alisae (14), then Transcend changed (18), Hamster (21), Transcend (22). Why would Hammy be afraid of of following your lead to L-2 me again?

[shannon]

I just don't think this is alisae's town game...

VOTE: Alisae

I think you're right.

VOTE: Alisae

[Frozen Angel]

Dont_Vote_Me is force replaced for not confirming his role pm. I'm searching for a replacement.

[karnos]

I see that I have collected a nice wagon while lurking.

[Aristophanes]

I see that I have collected a nice wagon while lurking.

Indeed, I don't really get why.

What are your thoughts on all of this?

Specifically Penguin and Echo are of interest to me atm.

[karnos]

Oh, now I see. It's just penguin being penguin. He thinks we can't both be town.

It's possibly true, but that would make him scum if so.

My thoughts on Echo are that he needs to fix his avatar. Other than that it seems like there is an echo/alisae thing going that isn't much different from the karnos/penguin thing. Going to follow his read for now.

VOTE: alisae Could it be alisae/hamster scumteam?

[Alisae]

Echo can't read me for shit and you're going off it?
lol.

[PenguinPower]

karnos: Why are you following Echo's read as opposed to Alisae?

Further support for my karnos/Echo scumteam.

[Transcend]

VOTE: Alisae

[Alisae]

I think I'm at L-1.
Claiming VT

[karnos]

karnos: Why are you following Echo's read as opposed to Alisae?

Further support for my karnos/Echo scumteam.

Alisae's reads have changed 3 times in the last 24 hours, so there isn't much there to trust.

[karnos]

This setup is really annoying though because now scum could come along and hammer and we wouldn't even get the information of a usual flip. I think it's too soon to end the day.

UNVOTE:

[Frozen Angel]