Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!

[RadiantCowbells]

/confirm

[RadiantCowbells]

I wonder how many games I am in.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hi, I am good. Sorry for lynching you

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh yeah, I didn't lynch you.

Sorry for tunneling on you and then lynching Thor because I thought he was your partner and chainsawing you and winning us in the game in doing so even though post lynch I thought Thor would actually flip town.

I'm not quite sure that's something that you apologize for but uh. yeah.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hey guys. I highly recommend FOSing me because you never know when RC could be an undercover scumfuck.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[RadiantCowbells]

Wow RC is town these fucking idiots

VOTE: mattblackguy

[RadiantCowbells]

Transcend its page 5 you cannot possibly townread me so why are you buddying me

[RadiantCowbells]

Pretty sure Transcend always does early TRs like that. It's NAI

Does he always do early TRs on someone who the majority of the site believes is functionally unreadable?

[RadiantCowbells]

Uh yeah, but I'd cite the thing between my name and avi as a pretty good justification that it's not exactly a stretch to say that I am found very difficult to read.

[RadiantCowbells]

I can still want an answer for it. Maybe he did actually townread my early posts or maybe he just wanted to buddy me and do what's not!hisscummetaforgameswithme.

[RadiantCowbells]

RAWR
VOTE: rautherdir

[RadiantCowbells]

Grendel is maf with Alisae. my reads are on point this game

You said Alisae was being defensive. Anything to add to that read?
What's your angle with Grendel? Or was you just jumping on my suspicions of him?

based on previous game with him, he seems different rn

RC is maf too. Trying to steer the direction of the game back into RVS when we just had a good discussion

idk he just seems different

Why are you assuming that I'm trying to push the game back in the direction of RVS? What do I seem different than, since I don't recall playing with you?
I have a serious vote on someone that I think is decently more likely than average to be scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I fucking detest how Gerryoat keeps saying everyone seems different than previous games but giving no examples to rely on.

[RadiantCowbells]

You know newbscum Gerry reminds me of newbscum me. Go in super hard and call everyone exaggerated scumreads for virtually no reasons. Show me what you can do, scum!Gerry.

[RadiantCowbells]

Overly defensive? you discredited my push and it looked like you were making a batshit insane comment about my play. How were you expecting Town!RC to respond to that, exactly?

[RadiantCowbells]

I think that it's a fantastic question to ask in this situation because he seems to think that I'm overly defensive, which means there must have been a less overly defensive response he was expecting.

[RadiantCowbells]

I counter that asking why I asked this with my own why are you asking me why I was asking that?

[RadiantCowbells]

Uhh. How was that at all appeasing him? I'm literally questioning him because I think that his responses continue to be scummy.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also Scum!RC doesn't so much appease people who scumread him as he turns on them and destroys their hopes and dreams and powerlynches them.

[RadiantCowbells]

Uhh I wasn't

planning

on doing X. I'm not sure where you got the impression that I was either?

So do you plan on turning on Garrybote?

I mean I've already made it pretty obvious in thread that I think he's a good candidate for being a scumfuck so kinda, yes. Maybe I'm a scumlord

[RadiantCowbells]

And just remember that I play every single game that I'm in differently, regardless of alignment, so unless you have an intricate understanding of my meta I would not compare me from game to game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yes, I referred to Scum!RC in the third person because Scum!RC

isn't actually me because I'm not scum.

Or maybe I'm just a major egoist who can't help himself!

[RadiantCowbells]

I am not talking to you, you silly bum. I am talking to Alisae. But no totally your case on me is purely meta and you haven't even READ ANY OF MY GAMES AND G.HAKSHAPGS;KHAJ;RWELIUairf nksj>?df<bJZ

[RadiantCowbells]

Yes, and from YOUR CLAIMED POINT OF VIEW I AM NOT TOWN SO FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW TOWN!RC WOULD BE A DIFFERENT PERSON. THIS AIN'T DIFFICULT MATE.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Gerryoat

Still think my previous vote has a good chance of being scum but his vote on me for apparently claiming scum based on syntax I use in all of my games is just disgusting.

[RadiantCowbells]

Town!Gerryoat

WAIT A SECOND SO GERRYOAT CAN'T BE TOWN.

VOTE: Gerryoat

Confirmed scum based on syntax usage. 7 votes here please.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's how I feel about everything that you've said about my slot but you don't hear me complaining.

[RadiantCowbells]

RAWR
VOTE: rautherdir

[RadiantCowbells]

Uhh was it really not obvious that I was joking about the whole meta thing?

First he said I was trying to RVS when my vote was serious, then he started discrediting, then he was saying that I'm scum for talking about myself in third person using exclamation marks to indicate alignment.

[RadiantCowbells]

Besides the first post where I thought he had said that

I

was acting different, any references to meta are sarcastic.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yes, I referred to Scum!RC in the third person because Scum!RC

isn't actually me because I'm not scum.

Or maybe I'm just a major egoist who can't help himself!

How were you expecting Town!RC to respond to that, exactly?

You mean, you're not town?

Nice.

VOTE: RC

durr

[RadiantCowbells]

Am I really going to have to spend the entire first day defending myself against idiots?

You're not lynching me this game, point blank. Fuck off and go do something productive.

[RadiantCowbells]

And I explained how that worked: from YOUR point of view, Town!RC is different from me so I demarcated him as a different entity. But I use that phrasing as either alignment constantly so your case is literal shit.

[RadiantCowbells]

Keyser Soze and/or Gerryoat if either of them are town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Scum!RC is a version of myself who is scum. Town!RC is me but from the point of view of someone claiming that they think that I'm scum it's the version of me that's town.

If you continue to push me on this I promise you you are getting lynched today regardless of what you claim. Do you want to keep going with this?

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Gerryoat

I claim an investigative with 'cop' in the name. We are lynching Gerryoat today and anyone who defends him is getting lynched tomorrow.

[RadiantCowbells]

His push on me is absolute dogshit and there is absolutely no way in hell that he is actually stupid enough to believe what he's pushing me on and if he's actually that dumb I want him dead so he doesn't pollute town with shit play. He is going to die today and you can all fight me about it but it's going to happen.

[RadiantCowbells]

Uh ok lmao. Just because you claim cop doesn't mean I'm mafia.

Also I don't feel like I need to point this out but this is NEVER town's reaction to me outing in the way that I did, ever.

[RadiantCowbells]

>pushing on you.

>Literally 11 pages in.

You're WAYYYYYYYYY too defensive right now.

Uh ok lmao. Just because you claim cop doesn't mean I'm mafia.

Also I don't feel like I need to point this out but this is NEVER town's reaction to me outing in the way that I did, ever.

Does this look like the legitimate response from town who thinks that I just claimed a major investigative role?

[RadiantCowbells]

Your failure to see what I am trying to explain and why gerryoat is scum-reading you doesn't make us "idiots".

Moreover, no one is getting lynched on the grounds they want to lynch you.

If everyone carried that same threat it would be any orgy of OMGUS.

Claiming a cop role this early does not make your reads any more accurate as anyone else's. However it does ensure you are not lynched Day 1.

Alright listen I understand that it's been a while since I played but without having a PR backing me up my scumreads get lynched.
I don't want to deal with any more of this bullshit in this game so I am telling you to vote him and get out of my way. There are plenty of mislynches and I won't care if you're town.

[RadiantCowbells]

OMG HE SCUMREADS ME BECAUSE HE BRINGS UP AN ACTUAL POINT. IM GONNA THROW A FIT AND ACT ALL HIGH AND MIGHTY

Like if anyone in this game actually thinks that someone who is claiming to scumread me reacts in this way then they are batshit crazy.

Don't be batshit crazy and vote this cheeky clown.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, because the only reason that my case wouldn't get followed is because people would suspect I am scum. Scum will not be able to afford to keep me alive and that's going to be removed from consideration.
Keyser is this really the reason that you want to be lynched?

[RadiantCowbells]

So you want someone lynched just because they scumread you. I'm sure you will get lots of votes with that

Nah you're going to get lynched because every single person in this game will realize that your reaction to my claim didn't come from town.
Your only focus after that claim was in defending yourself and trying to discredit me and act town. No concern about an outed cop claim, no calling me scum faking a claim.
You reek of scum motivation and you are going to die today.

[RadiantCowbells]

Keyser would you stop coaching scum it's really unbecoming of you.

[RadiantCowbells]

You do need coaching because you just picked the dumbest fight that you could have possibly picked and are going to get lynched for it.

You were nightkilling me anyway; outing me as PR is so not worth it that it's not even funny.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh no you weren't nightkilling me for anything that had happened up to that point. I'm getting nightkilled for what's to come.

[RadiantCowbells]

I had a strong feeling that you were pushing me while knowing that I was town and your immediate response after indicated it. I think that's worth outing as PR to confirm one newb!scum.

And really you are newb!scum. You may have played on other mafia sites but if you think this qualifies as not being newb!scum then your other mafia sites have some mediocre scumplay.

[RadiantCowbells]

And like: look into games like NY184 that I've played. Take away the amazing AtE and the PR hunting and the perfect choice of pushes and you're left with an aggressive guy throwing shit everywhere until it sticks. That's this guy. Like I knew that he was scum so soon because he's so much like how I was when I was new to playing scum.

But you don't have to go off any of that. His respond post claim literally claims scum over and over and over.

@Transcend i thought this Radiant Cowbells person was supposed to be good?

who lied to me. or are they just trolling rn?

Again: posturing. Do you really think that Town!gerryoat

APPEALS TO OTHER PEOPLE

to attempt to discredit me?
No. Town!Gerryoat the way he's playing would be FUCKING PISSED at me and you all know it. What he is now is scared and that's why he's appealing to other people.

[RadiantCowbells]

His only concern here is discrediting me. There's no element of why the fuck did this PR pull this crap, there's no wait a minute maybe he's scum faking a claim because he couldn't get out of it.

No. All Gerryoat is smart enough to figure out is to try to discredit me and stay alive for the day. That's so far from town motivated that it's laughable.

[RadiantCowbells]

I read 1870 to death before this game for meta on other people. I know exactly what your scumgame is like.

[RadiantCowbells]

This is the same thing. You throw out absolute bullshit reads and stick to them and come up with bizarre absolutes on people's alignments that make no sense.

That's why I immediately pounced on your bullshit read on me because it reeks of the same crap you pulled in that game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Nah because the aggression versus normal play? That's not really a meta thing because I can be INSANELY aggressive or I can be super tame and that's not alignment indicative. That's mood indicative.

And there were even elements of the same aggression in that game! I rememebr you absolutely losing your shit when Alisae provoked you and said that you were probably roleblocked.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why the fuck would I take time out of my day to show you for

your

benefit? I get that you think you're scum caught for the wrong reasons but please grow up.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean, I can show you. But why WOULD I? I'm not trying to convince you that you're scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Look if you genuinely want me to talk about how I knew you were scum then ask me in postgame because all I see right now is scum posturing.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean I already made several cases on why your play doesn't come from town. But I am pretty sure that I could have gotten you lynched with how scummy you are by just telling people to vote you.

[RadiantCowbells]

This is the same thing. You throw out absolute bullshit reads and stick to them and come up with bizarre absolutes on people's alignments that make no sense.

That's why I immediately pounced on your bullshit read on me because it reeks of the same crap you pulled in that game.

His only concern here is discrediting me. There's no element of why the fuck did this PR pull this crap, there's no wait a minute maybe he's scum faking a claim because he couldn't get out of it.

No. All Gerryoat is smart enough to figure out is to try to discredit me and stay alive for the day. That's so far from town motivated that it's laughable.

And like: look into games like NY184 that I've played. Take away the amazing AtE and the PR hunting and the perfect choice of pushes and you're left with an aggressive guy throwing shit everywhere until it sticks. That's this guy. Like I knew that he was scum so soon because he's so much like how I was when I was new to playing scum.

But you don't have to go off any of that. His respond post claim literally claims scum over and over and over.

@Transcend i thought this Radiant Cowbells person was supposed to be good?

who lied to me. or are they just trolling rn?

Again: posturing. Do you really think that Town!gerryoat

APPEALS TO OTHER PEOPLE

to attempt to discredit me?
No. Town!Gerryoat the way he's playing would be FUCKING PISSED at me and you all know it. What he is now is scared and that's why he's appealing to other people.

So you want someone lynched just because they scumread you. I'm sure you will get lots of votes with that

Nah you're going to get lynched because every single person in this game will realize that your reaction to my claim didn't come from town.
Your only focus after that claim was in defending yourself and trying to discredit me and act town. No concern about an outed cop claim, no calling me scum faking a claim.
You reek of scum motivation and you are going to die today.

OMG HE SCUMREADS ME BECAUSE HE BRINGS UP AN ACTUAL POINT. IM GONNA THROW A FIT AND ACT ALL HIGH AND MIGHTY

Like if anyone in this game actually thinks that someone who is claiming to scumread me reacts in this way then they are batshit crazy.

Don't be batshit crazy and vote this cheeky clown.

>pushing on you.

>Literally 11 pages in.

You're WAYYYYYYYYY too defensive right now.

Uh ok lmao. Just because you claim cop doesn't mean I'm mafia.

Also I don't feel like I need to point this out but this is NEVER town's reaction to me outing in the way that I did, ever.

Does this look like the legitimate response from town who thinks that I just claimed a major investigative role?

Uh ok lmao. Just because you claim cop doesn't mean I'm mafia.

Also I don't feel like I need to point this out but this is NEVER town's reaction to me outing in the way that I did, ever.

His push on me is absolute dogshit and there is absolutely no way in hell that he is actually stupid enough to believe what he's pushing me on and if he's actually that dumb I want him dead so he doesn't pollute town with shit play. He is going to die today and you can all fight me about it but it's going to happen.

[RadiantCowbells]

When I claimed cop or variant with cop in the name his immediate reaction was to start hard discrediting my slot. No indication that he was worried that town PR was outed, no worry that I might be scum. PURELY, SINGLE MINDEDLY interested in discrediting my slot to keep himself alive. Does anyone here think that town would act like that in response to that? Answer: no.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh and I have never seen a town player in a single game that I have played try this hard to discredit someone, regardless of any reads going around.

[RadiantCowbells]

I did it as a reaction test because being RC I do not expect to live the night anyway unless I get docced so I don't see a big problem with me being outed.
You can like it or not like it but I caught scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I assume you're used to people backing down from you, but I don't back down. Which is why I think your ego took a hit. And you're trying to strong arm a lynch for someone scumreading you.

I'm not trying to do anything. You have basically already been lynched, it just hasn't quite happened yet.

[RadiantCowbells]

There may be superficial differences but the core play is still the same. Throw out scumreads that don't make sense and overinvest into them, then when called out discredit everyone.

[RadiantCowbells]

We'll just have to say that you have your alternative facts and I have my actual facts, if you want to make this a trump meme.

[RadiantCowbells]

I like 1860 as well. Rask played that well.

[RadiantCowbells]

Eager made his whole reads around me being maf, and then says that he's not sure im maf LOL

x guy is town like i said, idk why you push on him lol. i'm not lynching him

dont listen to alisae, he's just sheep and lazy so he wants to do no work

x guy is smart

Look at his logic and conviction

This kind of shitty discrediting familiar?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like come on dude anyone who was in 1870 will see your last few pages and be like yeah this shit is the exact same shit in that game. You bringing up meta was such a dumb move because I wasn't even going to bring that game up.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm dumb, ego driven, bla bla bla. It's all discrediting. The nature of the discrediting is clearly different but it's pretty clear that as scum when you get cornered you discredit your attackers. Which you are doing here.

[RadiantCowbells]

And you CLEARLY do that as scum so the best that you can do is say that you... also sit there discrediting your attackers as town? I mean I've never seen a town player discredit half as much as you and there's a reason on MS that discrediting is generally seen as extremely scummy but hey if you actually do that shit I'd love to see it.

[RadiantCowbells]

They really won't lmfao. I was the one attacking YOU. You tried to discredit me and got super defensive.

Like don't you get it? This is a totally pointless accusation. I never tried to discredit you at all, I simply called you a moron (which is true) then scum (which is also true).
And let's say I did, what's your point, are you going to say that I am scum who masqueraded as cop to lynch (sorry, BUS) little old you? But why didn't you even consider that I could be scum immediately?
Where's the righteous indignation of why the FUCK did this moron just claim PR and hurt town in doing so, like Keyser is doing. Nah, your only interest is attempting to survive the day.

[RadiantCowbells]

Conclusion #1:

RadiantCowbells and gerryoat aren't in the same scum faction.

No, I'm actually hard, hard, hard bussing his ass so if you wouldn't mind please help me with this sweet bus.

[RadiantCowbells]

Huh, Penguin mafia is NOTHING AT FUCKING ALL LIKE THIS GAME. You actually MAKE SENSE. Your reads are GOOD. They make SENSE and are not BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION. YOU GOT NIGHTKILLED N1.
In fact the exact opposite of what we're seeing here in that you're bona fide reluctant to outright call people scum too quickly and spend a lot of negotiating with people.

[RadiantCowbells]

How am I a moron for scumreading you for tryign to obviously push it back to RVS when there was a good convo going on.

Obviously we have an RC in Pine Mafia and he's climbing in your votecounts and snatching your votes up and trying to put them all back to RVS so you better hide your votes hide your wagons cuz we rvsing everyone out here.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean if you genuinely believed I was calling your read meta; THAT makes sense. STILL calling my vote RVS after I explained no less than 3 times? THAT doesn't make sense. Still scumreading me after I explained everything? THAT doesn't make sense except oh wait you weren't actually scumreading me because you didn't even consider that I might be scum claiming an investigative you just panicked and started d i s c r e d it i n g.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you want to argue that I might be scum, then saying that I'm blowing things out of proportion or defensive might make sense or have a purpose. But you aren't arguing that so ??? just discrediting.

[RadiantCowbells]

And I did not claim cop. I claimed cop in the name. So some role that can be written as [x] cop where x can be any variety of things.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh but it was never once in your posts that you even considered it. You IMMEDIATELY acted like I was confirmed town and just started discrediting discrediting discrediting.

Not once did it show up in your push that I might be scum fakeclaiming because I panicked or something, nope it's just GRR RC TOWN MAJOR EGO CAN'T STOP TUNNELING HGNGN.

[RadiantCowbells]

And yes: I believe gerry genuinely believes that I'm only tunneling him cause of ego. I think he genuinely will believe even after he get lynched that I played like an idiot and just happened to catch scum this one time.
But that's because he's a bad scum player with no self awareness and he will complain about scum caught for wrong reasons in dead thread because I know his type.

[RadiantCowbells]

I agree that we are unlikely to have multiple cops and I would be suspect of anyone else who claims one. But obviously if someone actually is another cop variant they should not 'counterclaim' since I will be dying tonight anyway. I would lean town except for the fact that you are still not voting gerry and it feels like you might be scum with him waiting to see how the rest of the game reacts before you commit a vote to him.

[RadiantCowbells]

Fake-claiming anything cop is a bad idea. In this small game we are unlikely to have multiple cops so a newb-townie could have countered you and we'd been fucked in the ass. A newb-doc could have also protected you. I think both town and scum are going to react negatively to an early PR claim - I would find it hard to distinguish between the two negative reactions.

@RC - interestingly, did you find my reaction to your roleclaim town-indicative or scummy?

Mr. Newb-doc protecting me is exactly the point of this exercise you dolt.

[RadiantCowbells]

In fairness I am strongly disinclined to believe that we have one based on my understanding of both Pine and other things but this was a good thing.

[RadiantCowbells]

See because I am NOT a fan of your interactions with Gerry. Feels very apt to be SvS. If you're not going to vote him then don't blame me if my last will is for you to be lynched tomorrow.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh and you know what else is cool? Scum!Gerryoat posts a fucking shit ton. Averages about 105 posts per game as scum.

As town? Far less invested. Between the games I've looked at it's 23, 50ish, and 74 posts per day phase. Contrast his LOWEST scum game had 80 posts per day and he went one super long stretch without posting in it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Mr. Newb-doc protecting me is exactly the point of this exercise you dolt.

Then that is selfish/anti-town play.

Oh I'm sorry I forgot that

power role fucking radiantcowbells expecting to be docced

was selfish/anti-town play. Please forgive me your highness.

[RadiantCowbells]

And that also explains his attitude towards being called Newb!Scum; he clearly cares more and tries harder and prides himself off of his scum play so being called newb here would probably bug him.

[RadiantCowbells]

Keyser, I get the impression you disbelieve my claim. If you do, then just shut up about it and figure it out tonight with my flip. Kay?

[RadiantCowbells]

I didn't roleclaim to supplement my push. I roleclaimed because I figured I'd get a useful reaction because doing that always gets a useful reaction; see the many, many games I have outed as PR early.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay, well luckily I don't need your vote and I hope that you're scum this game.

[RadiantCowbells]

But after many games up to and including Miller's Hollow I would think that you would think better of my scumhunting ability.

Between correctly calling my N1 innocent result as a godfather, single handedly destroying your scumteam in 193, and single handedly ending Miller's Hollow with a successful lynch we hard drove and our venge shot...

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll take the rain I'll take the rain I'll take the rain.

[RadiantCowbells]

But after many games up to and including Miller's Hollow I would think that you would think better of my scumhunting ability.

Between correctly calling my N1 innocent result as a godfather, single handedly destroying your scumteam in 193, and single handedly ending Miller's Hollow with a successful lynch we hard drove and our venge shot...

Are you suggesting we just let you slip your cock down our throat based on your excellent play from previous games where you were town-aligned?

I will listen to your reads, but I wont sheep them blindly. It is better I am convinced that gerryoats is scum and I come to that conclusion naturally.

Is his current play not driving you to that conclusion?

[RadiantCowbells]

Please Gerry. I'm not an egoist. I just play one on MafiaScum. I find that acting like you think you're the literal reincarnation of Annie herself is both fun and serves my win condition.

[RadiantCowbells]

who is annie.

Alright that's fucking it you will die for that blasphemy you filthy heathen.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not disagreeing that he would feel frustration and shock but he hasn't acted 'frustrated and shocked' like you said. All he really did was immediately try to discredit me and defend himself.
Felt like the play of someone who both knows that my cop claim is legit and wasn't specifically perturbed by it being made public, which is not a townie reaction.

I am going to do important RL things but I'll be back here later, hopefully to find a nice glorious wagon on scummyoat.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oi dumbasses. Do you really think that if Gerryoat were town then absolutely no one would be interested in jumping on a hard pushed wagon and blaming me for it?

No one else is going to get lynched today so pull your heads out of your asses and vote him.

[RadiantCowbells]

@Transcend i thought this Radiant Cowbells person was supposed to be good?

who lied to me. or are they just trolling rn?

RC sandbags his town games so it's harder to catch him as scum.

But he brings up a good point about ur reaction to his claim. I feel like you believed it way too easily.

That's absolute fucking bullshit. I value my town play more than I value my scum play hands down and would never do what you're claiming.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also Grendel randomly popping up to

L-2

in the middle of the day phase reeks of a scum counterwagon.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's your scumbuddies trying to get him quicklynched to keep you alive. I mean I think it's shit play since you're all goign to be fucking obvious scum tomorrow but whatever floats your collective boat.

[RadiantCowbells]

I didn't really take RC's cop claim that seriously

I didn't @ first either. That's what raised my eyebrow about Gerrys response. He immediately believed it and was just like "well ur reads are wrong".

AND YOU JUMPED ON A WAGON TO PUT IT AT L-2 ON SOMEONE WHO NO CASE HAS BEEN PROVIDED AGAINST. MAKES SENSE.

[RadiantCowbells]

Nah there's a lot of dumb town there as well.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hey cooperative sheep, are you a fan of the word 'grok'?

[RadiantCowbells]

At least Rauth has more meat to chew on now...

Yep. I wish more people were talking because I think gerryoat/RC is SvT or TvS. Right now I lean towards RC being town and gerryoat being scum, but I'll read over the game again just to be sure before voting.

UNVOTE: Akarin, she'll get prodded soon anyways...

Yep. I wish more people were talking because I think gerryoat/RC is SvT or TvS. Right now I lean towards RC being town and gerryoat being scum, but I'll read over the game again just to be sure before voting.

RC vs Gerry is such a shitfest they're probably not both scum on the same team, couldn't tell you which one is more likely to flip scum tho tbh

How come neither of you (or at least Vifam) is affected by the cop claim as far as assessing a TvS theory setup?
I would think that would tend to sharply affect your value call if you were pretty sure at least one, but not both players were scum.

That's the reason I'm reading over the game again. I don't know how to handle a claim like that, I'm trying to figure out if I should trust RC's claim or not.

CoopSheep, looking over the game again, I'm going to say you're right about not lynching RC today. I do think we shouldn't lynch Gerry quite yet though. While reading through the game some posts caught my eye.

390 again, why didn't you vote me if you thought it was scummy? JarJar, could you also explain your vote on RC? Do you think he's more likely to be scum as of me?

414 Seriously? Transcend, remind me again why you are voting me.

???????????????/

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What 'about' the way that he handled the wagon on him looked town?

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Except I don't always deathtunnel the first person that I scumread on day 1. Great job buying into Gerryoat's shitty discrediting and teaching him that it's a viable playstyle.

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Also I would say on the other hand that newb!Town are way more likely to get defensive where newb!Scum are more likely to negotiate their way out, or am I wrong?

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Uhh I'm sorry but I'm calling bullshit. You say 'if they feel like they aren't being unfairly persecuted' but FMPOV newbtown ALWAYS feel like they are being unfairly persecuted.

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Like they usually either shut down and start trying to appease everyone (which is not scummy from newbtown ftr) or they start flipping shit and calling everyone who votes them scum.

Your claim that newb!Town are more likely to negotiate with people they aren't sure are town than newb!Scum who usually try to get everyone to unvote them because they know they're town is just asinine.

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Yes there are exceptional newbies who react well to being wagoned and try to sort people on it well and get townread off of it as town but they are certainly the exception rather than the rule.

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Ooh I have a countertheory. What if Gerry is just a scumfuck who called my vote on Rautherdir 'taking the game back to rvs' to discredit a vote on his scumbuddy like he discredits everything else that does't help him?

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Yeah that's totally a thing that's why the meme of "why me = fry me" indicates someone is town and not scum.

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Yeah that's totally a thing that's why the meme of "why me = fry me" indicates someone is town and not scum.

this is literally the opposite of epicmafia. whenever new and says why me they are maf

That is exactly the point that I am trying to convey and thank you for explaining it but I didn't realize that my sarcasm was that difficult to grasp.

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Thank you.

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I notice that you never attempted to convince me otherwise, you just tried to convince everyone else that my read shouldn't be followed.
I'm sure that from a Town!PoV where you believe that I'm also town and that since you're town I should be dissuadable that would have

never

crossed your mind.

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For all the time you spent insulting my play I'm honoured that you think that I'm so good that trying to persuade me to change my vote is something you think impossible

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Rautherdir for sure, possibly Vifam.

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Because from specifically Gerry's posting the interactions between Gerry/Rautherdir look way imore SvS than Gerry/Vifam's. I concede that in a vacuum Vifam is probably scummier.

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I am.

Because you're worth it.

<3

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It's a few things.
Him calling my vote on Rautherdir and attempt to drag the game back to RVS seemed kinda chainsawy and didn't make much sense outside of that context and we all know how good my chainsaw reads are
He also, despite not claiming to have a read there, seems way too interested in other people's reads on the slot without actually getting personally involved with a read.
Also Rautherdir's reaction to the duelling wagons seemed really off.

But like in general it's not what's there it's what's absent. There's not a single post that I can point to and see any scumhunting going on in his brain behind the wheels.
Just feels like a series of disconnected posts that don't, as far as I can tell, have a single town train of thought underlying them.
Which could potentially be newb but I still think more likely than not to be scum.

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I do see what you're saying but I'm somewhat reluctant to think that Scum!Vifam would have had the balls to say that they weren't gonna vote their partner because they like them. Maybe I'm wrong.

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What do you think of the associatives between Transcend and Gerryoat?

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I don't townread JarJar but I don't think that 464 is a great reason to vote him.

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I think that Transcend/Gerry kinda makes sense but then it could also be Gerry trying to lay false associatives. But Transcend's been bad for his part too so *shrug*

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I'm also reluctant to scumread Transcend on principle because I know he's been flakey in general recently and I don't know if it's alignment indicative here.

I really would like his slot to be present so that I can do things with it though.

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I am? I was even explicit about being reluctant to do anything with it because I felt it was so weak and the whole Transcend thing. I was just pointing out that the associatives existed.

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You're voting for me over the dude who quickhammered.

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VOTE: Vifam

Scumread that slot yesterday and that was an absolutely unacceptable quickhammer.

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Notice me not retracting my claim?

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That's pretty much what I was thinking: but I think that on principle I have to lynch Zifam today.

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There's a point where 'hey your play is not OK whatsoever and you are going to get autolynched if you pull that shit' outweighs odds of winning and I already scumread zifam so.

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Nope I don't think that you will and bye. I am not unaware that you are softing I am just ignoring it because even if you are PR you deserve to be lynched.

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Mm I don't think that's quite how this game works. The only angel on mafiascum is frozen

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Did you all forget to to read Gerrys role?

He flipped cop, RC claimed cop. This isn't rocket science.

Yes the hammer was horribly/sleazy/unacceptable/etc... But we have a roleclaim countered by a flip. We lynch RC today.


pedit: cool vote him then

First off I

explicitly

claimed modified cop. IE, not cop. I know you're remembering the game where I said cop and role cop were counterclaims but I was scum that game.
Second of all shoo.

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No one can counterclaim a claim of 'Not cop but some form of cop of the form 'x' cop.' I get that you are paranoid of my slot but just stop.

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Holy fuck the people who are writing off my cop claim as me trolling are getting serious side eyes right now. I did not just claim what I did for lulz and I have nothing else to say about it right now.

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I think Transcend might be scum and that scum might have a role cop.

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I think my cop claim is a distraction and I don't think that under any circumstances I will manage to eat two night kills to make my role actually relevant SO

have you figured it out yet?

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I wouldn't expect you to.

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Because I am busy voting Vifam.

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I am bulletproof and I claimed what I did to bait nightkills. I claimed the way I did to minimize the odds of being counterclaimed and it worked. I am actually pretty good at that.
If you don't believe it coming from today note the point where I said that there was no doc in the setup. I said that for a reason.

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JJD I realize that you are laser focused on the one game where I claimed cop as scum where I was actually scum cop but just stop.

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There's a reason everyone but you in this game treats me claiming things as NAI. The superficial similarities between this game and the NY game do not make me scum in this one.

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Because I think that getting you to calm the fuck down and leave me alone is more valuable than the slim chance that scum try to nightkill me twice.

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Because I think that getting you to calm the fuck down and leave me alone is more valuable than the slim chance that scum try to nightkill me twice.

That makes' no sense. It's not if they try to kill you

twice

.

If you're town and keep up the "some type of cop" charade and you don't get lynched, then there's a pretty good chance you bait a kill. Like that's supposedly the whole purpose of your fakeclaim in the first place. Getting me to "calm the fuck down" is a ridiculous reason.

If I bait 1 kill all I do is waste scums night and don't actually get us a mislynch.

The cop is dead there's no huge value to my role anymore.

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I mean there's still value in wasting a nightkill. But if JJD is going to flip his shit at me I might as well come clean and try to get town on the same page.

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Hey you smurfs what are all of your Matt reads?

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Hey matt what's your read on yourself?

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I am asking you, if you had to make your best guess, what alignment is MattBlackGuy in this game?

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Well I disagree.

VOTE: MattBlackGuy

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No matter how hard I try you're never satisfied.
This is not a home I think I'm better off alone.
You always disappear even when you're here.
This is not my home I think I'm better off alone.

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Mattblackguy was super obvious town in the newbie that I just finished. I quote from my scum PT

MattBlack is a way harder mislynch. Everything that he does pings me as town. When I was catching up before I realized my slot was scum he was my hardest townread.

He called me scum D2 and I had a hell of a time mislynching him for it.
This game he has been really bad. Just sort of flittering around from wagon to wagon addressing people on useless shit.

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Lol I almost posted in another ongoing game.

Under no circumstances am I going to let Vifam reach endgame but like I have time and I find this wagon more likely to flip scum than anything else at this point.

Transcend is still probably scum as well but I'm much less sure and I feel like if we keep pressure up on him and force him to engage me we'll eventually know for sure.

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Why would I nightkill JarJar? There's an obvious nightkill in this day phase for RC!Scum and it's not JarJar.

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I'm sorry but you have merely dabbled in my scumplay. I am not in the least bit afraid of JarJar and in fact think him sitting around all day calling him scum would make it

harder

to lynch me.

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Idk. Knowing that I'm not going to die to nightkills tonight makes me feel like I'm in no rush to really do anything and I feel like Transcend is burnt out of mafia atm regardless of alignment so I am fine giving them space.

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FTR the day 1 deathtunnel was because I was trying to act like investigative RC who got outed and expected to die and needed to lynch his target at all costs.

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If I didn't have something that I had conviction in then I wouldn't be doing it but right now I feel like MattBlackGuy is the place to be.

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They are almost entirely null to me.

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Fuck off I just read that slot and Akarin is town. I will vote you again if you keep pushing it.

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Grendel come vote MattBlack. I may be right for the wrong reasons but I'm still right

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All her posts are solid. I haven't heard a case on her that isn't inactivity and I don't expect anyone to be able to create one because she's towny in general.

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What the fuuuuuck she never gave any reasoning about anything on Rautherdir.

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It's been a couple days and I forgot some stuff, but I think it was mostly unvoting for me without voting for someone else even though the only reason to initially vote for me was that I hadn't posted, and calling it SvT or TvS but they weren't sure which and saying they wanted more people to talk about it when it looked TvT.

This? This is perfectly fine.

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I'll rewrite that for you. 'I think Rautherdir is scummy because they were attracting attention to a 1v1 that I believe is TvT and were being vague about who they thought might be scum but that they thought there was scum in it'

What's wrong with that? That's great reasoning. I agree with her and scumread that slot as well.

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Thank you for drawing my attention to that slot because I can now add it to my townreads. I appreciate that.

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I don't even need to include Sheep who I'm having second thoughts about to have a confident pool of 6 town. Scum killed the cop but I think this is going to be a town sweep from this point on.

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It doesn't really make sense because how is Rauth thinking Gerry vs RC is SvT at that point in the game scummy? A few other players did and she doesn't get on anyone else for it.

It's not scummy to think that there may be scum in our 1v1. What is scummy is sitting there being yeah there's definitely a scum in there but I don't really have any coherent thoughts about who it is but hey look at that juicy 1v1 there's bound to be some scum in there let's lynch them.

AFAIR no one else was that vague. A ton of people said 'Hey I think that's TvS and that Gerry is scum here', a few people said it's TvT, but Rautherdir was the only one who was totally blase and just like YEAH THERE'S SCUM IN THAT JUICY 1v1 RIPE FOR THE MISLYNCH PICKINGS.

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It's fine Grendel. I am actually pretty sure this game is already over. There are too many obviously town people in this game for scum to stand much of a chance.

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No, that's exactly what you said. If you interpreted it differently then you misread it; her meaning was perfectly clear.

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Like all I did was add the game context.

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Transcend you're making me want to vote you again.

Does me saying that he's scum count?

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I'm not sure if you've caught on yet JJD but I am absolutely sick and tired of wasting my time defending myself instead of lynching scum. If I can get you to fuck off it's worth it.

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I have played with Town!Matt and Town!Matt was obvious town. He has done nothing whatsoever this game to merit a townread.

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That's better.

UNVOTE:

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VOTE: Rautherdir

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I don't townread the slot but

Either RC is way worse that I thought at playing town (and for someone that sure loves to stroke his ego, and gloat on how great he is I find that hard to believe), or he's scum. Seriously the fact that RC played with me last game yet is calling me scum is laughable if he actually is town.

puts him no longer at the bottom of my scumpile.

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Actually I kinda want to vote Transcend again.

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I like this.

There's a really slick tell on Rautherdir that if he flips scum I am near 100% on who one of his partners is.

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I would rather not say.

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I want to put it on record that I think that Annie is adorable.

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.
.
.
<-| Annie

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Yeah. one of many things I don't like from his slot.

But I want to sell my vote out to a lot of different wagons today because I'm not ready to settle down

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Question JJD: if you can conceive of either of our slots being town and the either scum, then why can't you conceive of both of our slots being town?

Like if either one of our interactions could have been TvS there's no reason why they couldn't have both been and the whole situation being TvT.

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That's called distancing. Bussing requires you to seriously intend to lynch the person.

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JJD I am town please just stop.

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I promise you you sitting there and pushing one me makes me play a ridiculous amount worse.

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I mean it is AtE. It's also true.

No, there's no chance that I'm getting lynched today so please just leave me alone and let me focus on my stuff.

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Transcend if you play like that I'm just going to lynch you.

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VOTE: Transcend

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This is PL until he replaces out or produces content.

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I am staying neutral on Cooperative Sheep. I explicitly don't believe that he should be removed from the lynchpool permanently.

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Hey Transcend fucking replace out.

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you are not doing anything.

I guess it's unfair to request that since you might be scum.

but like if you're town I have very negative feelings.

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JJD may actually be scum ftr.

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It's a little of both. It's policy cause he's stubbornly refusing to play. But I also think it's scummy because I know he's capable of playing a solid game. If he'd start giving us real content, I'd probably move my vote.


@Keysor, I'll do a full readslist tomorrow. RC is surely scum though and by far my strongest scumread. It upsets me that ur not on my side w/ this one as everything about his claim and play here mirrors the game where you and I led a lynch on scum-RC.

You mean the game where I intentionally scumclaimed because FA and Pirate Mollie's meltdowns had made me no longer play the game?

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I had no desire to continue to play the game so I told Titus to bus me. I intentionally played in a way that my slot would get lynched because I expected Titus to carry. EP replacing in and doing nothing with the slot killed us. If I had actually wanted to not get lynched, I would have not gotten lynched. You don't understand my scum play well enough to realize that I was not trying to not get lynched there.

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Because JJD's idiotic push on me was frustrating me. I agree it wasn't a good move.

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If you are town here do not join another game with me in it Transcend. This is not cool.

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nothing. that's the point. I asked you to replace out.

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explain them in a way in which your alignment can be read into or replace out.

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That is too barebones and you know it.