Open 671: Greater Idea - OVER

[bangthemafia]

I am surprised you find her self-vote suspicious enough to vote for her when town!you has done it

so many times

out of frustration in our games. Bang can confirm a frustrated town!Spade's predisposition to self-vote.

Who knows what affiliation she is, but I find it suspicious that you won't give her that leeway and acknowledge that a town can be driven to self-vote.

You must he confusing me with someone else. I have never selfvoted ever. And if bang confirms that, he is scum along with you.

This is just not you! As town you hav always found reasons and possibilities that a certain behaviour from a player could be from a misguided townie mindset rather than scum one. Whereas here I see you jumping to "you are scum" comclusion very fast.

Now, sorry if you feel that my memory is bad, but I do remember you self voting and then removing it after persuasion. Just that I m not too sure whether it was as town or as scum.

Apart from this, you have many times also followed the stance that "ok, i m ready to be lynched. Coz if so many people suspect me, the town will be fixated on me next day too. So lynch me and move on"

*i have never selfvoted ever as TOWN

I doubt thst. But there is anothet side to it. U didnt know what i was going to say and still you are so sure in stating something which could hav been negated by me. So i will take that on face value.

But ur opportunistic voting to RC, unvoting it on countering, and jumping to scum reading people (RC, me, alban) worry me!

UNVOTE:

Do you think he has done anything scummy so far in the game?

ohhh puhleeezzz stop with the 'what a Town!spade would have done' argument. I fell for it once. Not planning to do that again. Come up with something better. And yes your memory is bad cos I have never selfvoted as Town.

Bang and Alban are both scum.

This is a completely rattled scum!Spade in my opinion.

Motherfucker, I'll votepark you out of spite of you don't shut the fuck up.

Is this how they vent anger in where to come from?
Stop swearing. I am serious.
VOTE: Grey

So in your little worldview, scum tries to win by being assholes and pissing people off, right?

Voting me for any other excuse than thinking I am scum is basically admitting to playing to a scum wincon, so I'm sure you'll find some way to call me scum because I used a dirty word.

Let's hear it.

You have already heard it in 199 and 212. Your melodrama (considered effort and improvement by some) rings fake.
Much before I took objection to your language.

Thanks for conveniently leaving out the links.

I thought so too, but now I think he is pretending.

Oooooooooohhh game set match. He is correct, Grey.
I dunno why but i think the interaction between you two is totally staged.

So ur whole argument for why grey is scum is melodrama and acting?

VOTE: Aban
wish i could vote Bang as well.

Great, thanks. Your opportunistic votes are very clear. Firat on RC, then unvoting him, then alban when almost everyone is talking about his so called backpedalling. And then FoSing me just when Grey, Gamma, Kop and even Vaxkiller seem to be suspecting me.

So call ot Omgus or whatever, I dont care, but you are a scum!

VOTE: Spade_Ace

[alban]

I am surprised you find her self-vote suspicious enough to vote for her when town!you has done it

so many times

out of frustration in our games. Bang can confirm a frustrated town!Spade's predisposition to self-vote.

Who knows what affiliation she is, but I find it suspicious that you won't give her that leeway and acknowledge that a town can be driven to self-vote.

You must he confusing me with someone else. I have never selfvoted ever. And if bang confirms that, he is scum along with you.

I have never played with RC. But I doubt whether a person with his level of experience in MS would resort to such 'frustrated' displays especially when i dont find anything for them to be frustrated about.

RC hasn't even made a proper case against NM other than day NM might be a lyncher.

*i have never selfvoted ever as TOWN

That's a blatant lie or a case of bad memory. I don't understand why scum!you would withhold information like this especially when Bang is there to confirm this. Let's wait for Bang to show up. But wait, if he doesn't say what you want, he is a scum too? So, in essence whoever may disagree with you is scum.

I haven't ISO'd him to see if he was frustrated. I don't remember his game too. But assuming that he wasn't frustrated, and that town!RC will not self-vote out of frustration, it still goes against your conclusion that scum!RC will self-vote, especially given 'his level of experience' and 'when i dont find anything for them to be frustrated about'.

So, it's still an opportunistic vote.

P-edit: I see you have unvoted. But this is still very quite suspicious.

Can you back the point up that it's a blatant lie, or do we have to wait for Bangthemafia to come?

Can't do it. Whatsapp based games.

[alban]

Charloux's scum but I'm not doing jack while there's this many votes on me.

Agree with you about Charl, but dont agree with you about NM.

Agree why?

Also, associations day 1?

Explained in 358. It doesn't matter to Charl whom to lynch between RC and NM (355).

[Charloux]

RC is like a child throwing a tantrum. There is no frustration involved, he just wants NM dead and he won't progress with his reads until he achieves this. So, one of them

might

have to go.

[alban]

2. Why aren't you questioning Bang?:

Assuming that the motivation was to trap a scum (no Kop, it

wasn't a joke

. I thought that too, but Grey himself said much later that that post was meant to see who bites the bait), and you got someone (in Bang) who did, why are you letting him off easily? I have seen it happening so many times that the original thoughts and motivations of players get lost in the deluge of posts. Should I have worded it differently? Maybe. Maybe I should have asked him politely, and not asked him 'why' coz that questions his motivation. And I didn't doubt his motivation anyway (at least not then). What I meant was, time to deliver what you indirectly promised in the first post.

You seem to not get what grey is trying to say. He voted for bang in 18. Bang didn't join the game again until 228.

If a player isn't responding the only thing you can do is ask other people to join the wagon which he was did in 40 and 41. Then the wildcard stuff happened. He kept indirectly pushing bang even in 44 and 52. He didnt change his vote until 121.

So yes your question on why he wasn't questioning Bang

doesn't make sense

.

You and Grey could be the kind of players who wait for people to get in the game on their own accord. If I find someone scummy and they are awol, I will keep questioning them, hoping to build up enough pressure (especially if they are lurking) and for them to feel compelled to return to the game.

I rather you did not take up cudgels on behalf of other players, especially explain other people's stands for them. Even if a small possibility according to you, that's still a finite possibility that you are wrong about Grey being a townie. Hearing a defence from him (even if unlikely to be given) could have given me more clarity on him.

[-Grey-]

VOTE: Aban
wish i could vote Bang as well.

Bff's 5evr

[Lowell]

Ladies and gentlemen. I'm here.

/pauses for applause

/gives up

I admit I did not know there were 17 pages already to read. I will get to it. Offhand I'm suspicious of anyone who passed on an innocuous town role. OH BUT LOWELL WHAT IF I GOT

TWO

INNOCUOUS TOWN ROLES! Yes, fine. Still.

[Lowell]

So here we go. Notes for myself as I go along:

15- bang flips out over strange grey claim [+, dumb reaction, but looks townlike]
33- spade softclaims boring role [-, don't like this]
56- spade claims wildcard [-, not sure why he thinks this gives him towncred]
60s- dumbass argument about how to spell wild card and what "kept" means
106- RC wants to lynch NM for tunnelling [+, good point]
125- dave coaches grey [-, scummy]
167- alban votes grey [-, eh, don't see it]
170s- boring argument between grey and alban
223- vax called spade "convoluted", unvotes [-, trying to avoid attention]
279- gamma suspicious of RC's parrot discard [+, agree fully]
340- RC self-votes [-, performative]

VOTE: dave
Maybe digging deep for this one. But check this guy's ISO. All he does is point out lurkers, engage only on the periphery, and coach. He also discarded a perfectly reasonable town role.

fos RC

The self-vote and tunnelling on N_M both look performative. I've seen N_M way worse, and his self-vote happened at, what, three votes? Also, I'm struggling to think what role would be more fun than parrot.

Some towns:

gamma

I've liked his energy.

alban

more or less entirely for his discard. If you wanted to play as scum that's pretty much the best role you could come up with. If he drew TWO scum cards certainly cupid is the one he would have kept, yah? So prob town here.

[Lowell]

Also townreads on Charl and spade and scumread on kop, all for reasons I'm not quite able to verbalize but feel obligated to mention nonetheless.

And the other players, I don't know, I'll figure it out.

[davesaz]

@Lowell -- our paths have crossed only tangentially as far as I can tell, so I'll give you a little slack on misreading me. Though you did say it was digging deep.
Coaching? Not sure what you see that could be interpreted as such...

@Thread -- 11 hour day yesterday, but it looks like I forgot to mention it here. Some catchup required.
Generally, too much speculation on what discards might mean is bad. It is better to have your opinion and act on it, than it is to discuss openly and in depth. TYVM.

[-Grey-]

Generally, too much speculation on what discards might mean is bad. It is better to have your opinion and act on it, than it is to discuss openly and in depth.

That's good advice.

VOTE: davesaz

[Gamma Emerald]

So we just act on a whim without consulting others dave?

[davesaz]

You really want to help scum know who to kill first, go ahead and run me up.

[-Grey-]

You really want to help scum know who to kill first, go ahead and run me up.

Right, because that post didn't tell them anything at all.

[Lowell]

Oh hey look dave shows up when he gets a vote. I am shocked!

/not shocked

[davesaz]

@Thread -- 11 hour day yesterday, but it looks like I forgot to mention it here. Some catchup required.

I never lie about RL.

[RadiantCowbells]

pdodge. not a huge fan of lowell slot either.

[Charloux]

@RC: I'll give you 3 options to choose from
1)Explain you SR on me
2)Claim
3)Get shot if you want neither

[Vaxkiller]

@RC: I'll give you 3 options to choose from
1)Explain you SR on me
2)Claim
3)Get shot if you want neither

I think you answered #1 with this post.

[Vaxkiller]

davesaz at 2 votes:

You really want to help scum know who to kill first, go ahead and run me up.

Gotta see waht 3 votes post looks like.
VOTE: davesaz

[Not_Mafia]

Why a dave wagon all of a sudden? RC is still scum

[Gamma Emerald]

V/LA until sunday camping trip yo

[Lowell]

@RC: I'll give you 3 options to choose from
1)Explain you SR on me
2)Claim
3)Get shot if you want neither

This is the phoniest bluster I've ever seen. Esp compared to the rest of his ISO.

[davesaz]

24 hr LA

[Gamma Emerald]

? @ dave