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Could save from a mislynch but not from a nightkill, there are better claims than that.In post 4828, Zachstralkita wrote:I don't like the claim tho, those sorts of ones are admittedly easy for scum to make but on the flip side it would sort of explain Wraiths background playSigh-
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Okay now that I have some bloody time I can explain things. Quote wall incoming.
Because outlining my suspicions of Creature's role are integral to understanding why I investigated Titus over Alisae N1.In post 4821, Human Sequencer wrote:Why did you out creature? I'm doubting that hard recently, I'm guessing you picked up on the same crumb I did.
I took this post for a Vig softclaim, especially after the series preceding it and ESPECIALLY after the one that followed:In post 1814, Creature wrote:I'll kill scum myself then.
I had already been getting PR vibes from Creature based on his playstyle - playing cards close to the chest - and my conclusion of "likely Vig" was due to him constantly pushing lurkers D1. I suspected it was either an attempt to provoke activity from the lurkers and thus separate town!lurkers from scum!lurkers, or to bait scum into an obvious mislynch wagon.In post 1816, Creature wrote:Investigatives
Don't waste your precious checks on lurkers (unless you're some tracking-like role who thinks lurker will kill). They won't give info anyway.
My suspicions of Creature being the Vig are also why I didn't believe Gin's claim whatsoever (combined with Gin loudly shouting about who he intended to "shoot"):
In post 2570, Wraith wrote:Yeah and it's very obviously fake. AA said it best:
I also think Zach's case is a decent one when (finally) viewed altogether. And those aren't the only two reasons.In post 2401, All Alone wrote:In post 2254, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'm just using my vig shot on you, I dont care if I die claiming a power role, you're a worthy shot.In post 2265, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'll self hammer at this point but lynch these slots lynched with fire after I'm dead.
SELF-HAMMERING IS NOT A TOWN VIG PLAYIn post 2275, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Remember, the those 3 pushers of my lynch, also Echo. Let's end Day 1 please.
VOTE: Gin
SELF-VOTING IS NOT A TOWN VIG PLAY
FAKECLAIM DETECTED, EVERYONE GET YOUR VOTES ON GIN
It's tough because the wagon on Alisae is starting to gain steam again and rightfully so. But I'm putting more priority on the terrible, obvious fakeclaim.
Unvote
Vote: Gin
and also why I'm currentlyIn post 2769, Wraith wrote:AM I GOING COMPLETELY MAD?!
So the claimed Vig threatens to use his shot on HS the following night, and then actively pushes and votes for his own lynch? And then we'retelegraphing his Vig shot in advance?
In the theoretical scenario where Gin is telling the truth and he is the Vig, and he believes he is shooting scum in Echo, why should we possibly believe scum will just allow this to happen? If we're speculating Vigs and SKs and god-knows-whatever, is it so much of a stretch to speculate that the scum have a Roleblocker handy?
How is thisPOSSIBLYpro-town activity?verysuspicious of Debi/Rebbe's Vig claim.
I suspected Titus picked up on the same softclaim and vibe, and that he was softclaiming a protective role, after this post:
So I had a dilemma - investigate Alisae or Titus? I picked Titus because to me that would metaphorically confirm two birds with one stone in my mind. Turns out it confirmed three with one stone because the Grey/texcat flip made me firmly believe Alisae is town now.In post 1858, Titus wrote:
Not if I have anything to say about it.In post 1839, Creature wrote:I'll probably die N1 anyway.
In hindsight that was probably crucially flawed logic, but w/e. I think my scumreads at the start of the day illustrate my train of thought well enough:
MortFeld recently pointed out a pretty crucial post Kyouko made:In post 2980, Wraith wrote:Took a look at Grey/texcat's ISOs. One big thing I can take away from it is that my townread on Creature is cemented and I'm reversing on Alisae. Grey in particular did a lot to try to undermine those two players (as well as rb) early on.
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Which is pretty clearly Kyouko fishing for PRs and bumped up my 99% certainty of Scum!Kyouko to 100%. That he's asking this question makes me think there are now two possibilities:In post 4533, Wraith wrote:
Holy shit how did I miss that?In post 4524, MortFeld wrote:
For the record, I've been thinking about this one a lot. @kyouko why did you ask this?In post 3870, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:General question directed mostly at Titus but any experienced players: If there's a (1-shot) BP in this setup is it town or scum?
1. Kyouko's scumteam shot Creature and think Titus protected him
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And for the record in case people are wondering why I would also investigate Titus over Creature it was because I had more confidence in the Creature townread.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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2980 sells it for me. If this is a bullshit claim, I think it's one Wraith pulled out of his ass at L-1, not one he planned out in advance.
It also neatly truncates his read on Kyouko in a way that makes a lot of sense to me.
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I need to talk to some people to get another good read going.nah-
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What the fuck is this dude? Creature is not scum.In post 4837, Human Sequencer wrote:You are very clearly incorrect on Severa, not only because of my read on Severa but my read on how you came to scumread Severa.
That's a vanity wagon if I ever saw one, boys.
I'm gonna go here.
VOTE: Creature
Your scumgame evolved momentarily, but it's fallen apart again. Points for effort.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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