OK before I put in a list of who I thought was scum I did a full reread. Below are my assessments of people in a PBP style. It may be a bit confusing. Later I'll sum up my thoughts on everyone based on this analysis.
CKD: Attacking anyone that suggests we not lynch useful power roles. I don't agree with this and I think the stance is slightly scummy, but at least he's been consistent about it starting the game attacking Mathcam and as of late going after me. I would like a better argument from him as to why he thinks his strategy is valid. I think he is taking the approach entirely too literally especially with this statment:
CKD wrote:
what is your plan tomorrow? Lynch the second most powerful role?
I can see him as scum either a) trying to make sure useful power roles are open for lynch, or b) latching on to such statements as a means to attack other players since in most games policy lynches (or anti-lynches) can be scummy. Attacks DAS for suggestions as to who Yvonne should target. Seems he doesn't like any "rule" like behavior that restricts play. Grossly mis-represents DAS's defense and turns it into a reason to vote. Backs down after called out by multiple players, TSQ doesn't like his retraction as he sees it as a way to placate the backlash and CKD states that he has no problems with suggestions which was clearly what DAS was doing. I think TSQ's points were valid. Counters a rather decent attack from Gorgon (see Gorgon section) when Gorgon waivers his vote rather easily, seems overly agressive to me. Votes for me because I stated I will no lynch Zoneace today unless he does something incredibly scumm, definitely doesn't like absolutes. Again over-interpreting people's statements as absolutes when they are in fact qualified at least the third time now. States clearly he will lynch based solely on scumminess, he is the anti-ZONACE? or is it anit-me I phail at antinyms.
ZONEACE: FoS's CKD for Cam reaction. Then ignores TSQ and pretty much the whole thread to come in with this useless post:
ZONEFACE wrote:
Just for the record, I'm not scum.
Seems to be an attempt to bait TSQ and he bites. After multiple prods by multiple players finally posts something significant, that he wants a no lynch. Further baits TSQ by stating he was attempting a policy lynch on ZONEACE, really not called for. No lynch seems to go very much against meta. Makes a curious argument that there is no point in pressuring anyone today because the information is generally not useful since it only outs power roles. Seems to me this is from a scum perspective as that's the useful thing for scum, but looking back on interactions based on what transpires today can always be helpful. I don't think this is a valid argument. Notices the endless string of non-content from Oman and drops an FoS, stands by his No Lynch unless something drastic happens.
YvonneSeer: First major post is a summary of powers by usefulsness to alignments. Don't think she's correct with The Haitian being very useful if town. Also drags Nathand and Peter roles into being very dangerous as scum with the qualifier if paired with Eden, no comment on their usefulness to town. Not sure if trying to set up a bias here. Argues against loading Adele with powers to fast. Mentions wasting targets on her if everyone were to give them right away. Seems to miss the point that Adele may be worth targeting regardless. Also states that giving her useful roles could give Adele cover later in the game. Seems to already apply to Yvonne, bit hypocritical here. Puts forward the Motivating->Investigator->Absorber strategy of passing roles to Adele. A bit worried this could choreograph too many players moves, but as YvonneSeer is one of the investigators I don't see her proposing passing her power to Adele if she is scum unless they happen to be aligned. Presents what seems to be a false problem in that we haven't coordinated a way to pass investigative powers on to Adele, readdressing her earlier sentiment about the plan, which most saw as too choreographed. Seems a tad scummy to bring this up again.
TSQ: Very intent on getting discussion aside from role interactions going (I agree but the role interactions are just easier to discuss). Didn't go after me even though I made a boneheaded misrepresentation of his statements, not overly eager to pursue. Gives his personal green light to Oman using his redirecting power, not a fan of that. Originates the argument the investigative roles could potentially use false results to hurt the town, I find this to be a distraction and incorrect. Calls out CKD for overreaction to DAS's watcher advice, rightly so. Makes a useful argument against No lynch, but gets mad at me for claiming a delayed cross-post. Votes me without any explanation, gets mad when Gorgon asks why and ZONEACE puts forth a theory. Later points out he voted because I am tunnel visioned on Oman. I admit this is correct I should have been paying more attention to others. This reread has opened my eyes to some poor play by CKD primarily that I did not notice at the time. TSQ curiously defends me against CKD's vote which is in agreement with TSQ, strikes me as quite pro-town. States hopefully in a sarcastic tone:
TSQ wrote:
I have much to lie about.
Says we need to start discussing who to lynch, which made me write this monster post, you happy now?
Oman: First words out of his mouth:
Oman wrote:
I'm town, so you shouldn't worry.
Then comes forward and asks for advice on whether or not it is "acceptable" to use his powers. This statement stood out:
Oman wrote:
please work off the assumption that I'm town here
Later asks if he can redirect the Doc protection to himself. On closer inspection this isn't a mafia tell because the mafia can move the Doc protect anywhere. I do think it is indicative of a strong Sylar tell. Counters JDodge's criticism of the self-protect statement by saying he is the only confirmed townie he knows, this simply deflects the point of JDodge's criticism.
In conversation with Adele states:
Oman wrote:
Adele, if you're town I want to target you ASAP. If you're scum, my role in your hands could be very not good.
I fail to see why you would want to target he ASAP if she's town. Especially since we'll never know another's alignment until death. Seems like a useless statement to buddy Adele. Counters my criticism of this statement by stating that not everyone else in the game besides him and Adele can be scum. I don't understand what the point of this statement was, but it looks like he let it slip that either him or Adele (or both) must be scum. Oman then begins his argument against giving Adele investigative roles. I find this anti-town on many levels but I find it scummy in that early he was talking about how cool a pro-town Adele redirector would be. When asked why giving Adele investigative powers is bad he agrees with TSQ saying she could make up results. When Adele and I both point out this is actually a good thing for the town since at worst it will end in a 1:1 trade he suggests that it could be used as a bus'ing tactic (really WTF?). Finally votes me and states I falsified his statements which was not true. After Mathcam votes him he addresses this in thread even though I have asked him to answer specific questions. Does not provide any defense other than "shaft.ed is voting for me primarily based on my role." When presented with Adele's LAL proposal states:
Oman wrote:
I will lie through my teeth if i feel it gives me a better chance at winning this game.
DAS: Asks which roles he should NOT protect this night. Wording's a bit queer. Gives a poor analysis as to who Yvonne should target. FoS's Gorgon for vote hopping too much. Doesn't like the roles that CKD has voted for.
JDodge: First to vote Oman for asking whether or not he should use his power and if he can redirect the Doc to self-protect. When backing up his Oman vote he is rather cryptic. Not really liking this, but from my limited play with JDodge seems par for the course.
Adele: Countervotes JDodge for his Oman vote saying his concerns were valid. Runs up an accurate list of who should and shouldn't lend her powers. No likey No lynch. Seems to agree with TSQ that I am too Oman-centric, but also sees validity in my case against Oman. Presents LAL rule specific to this game.
Mathcam: Votes JDodge based on mild scumminess and his anti-town role. Puts forth another strategy (do you always use strategies?) that is a random claiming of investigative results. I find it moot due to the fact that we a) don't have true cops and b) are likely to lose them early in the game. The strategy could be anti-town as it forces the investigative roles hands and may reveal what roles Adele has been given. States his choices for night action are Oman, JDodge and No lynch in that order. No explanations seems to be holding his player reads pretty close to the vest. Does open up a bit to TSQ when asked. Reacts to TSQ's vote for me (because of Oman tunnel vision) by voting Oman after I present my case. Points out to CKD that his system is teh cool and we should be considering both scumminess and town utility when considering who to vote/lynch (which is it now) I agree.
Gorgon: First major contribution is his post against CKD's early play. He notices that CKD starts out by objecting to Mathcams' strategy of "voting" then later ups it to a strategy of "lynching" this is a serious conflict as he backs off the vote stating he's removing his vote based on his thinking that Mathcam was suggesting a lynching strategy. Note that this pretty much mirrors what CKD did in regards to DAS. Kinda like this post more than when I first read it. Strange that he backs off rather easily and switches to a ZONEACE vote based on the no lynch suggestion. Like Adele agrees with TSQ's point that I have tunnel vision in regards to Oman, but also agrees that there is a case against Oman.
