Look.
I'm not even going to ask you for reads.
Name one person you want to lynch.
Name one person you think is 100% town (or as close as you can be without being dead).
I'd preferably love to hear your reads on [Nacho, Tammy, garry, Nosferatu, Aero] but if that's asking too much from you then ok.
I couldn't have known - literally everything from you in the past few days has been THIS IS BENEATH YOU or BELOW YOUR CALIBER so I'm assuming everything is going to be salt and pepper and NO GAMES for a bit.
In post 894, Tammy wrote:How do you read this:"You're an asset to town if you're town and you were someone I was hoping would be town and that I would be able to work with. But you don't feel like that right now and it's disappointing."And think I'm pissed at you.
Easy.
This post isn't in isolation. It comes primed with the following:
In post 782, Tammy wrote:That is the scummiest retort you could have made Andrius. Really below your caliber as a player.
Disappointing.
In post 785, Tammy wrote:I'll point out why when I get home for those playing along at home but really Andrius that's below you.
In post 793, Tammy wrote:I don't believe that's your perception Andrius. I'm sorry. I know you're better that the bs your posting right now.
Petit : I'm not even pissy. I'm just disappointed.
BUT that's okay I'll explain why when I get home tonight. I'll be home all alone
and can make myself very clear here. I still think you're over correcting. And just because you were able to knock me off tilt last time I suspected you when you were scum by playing this stupid game you're playing now, it won't work this time. I think you're full of bullshit. Me pointing out you're full of bullshit is not me bring pissy, just disappointed is all.
In post 870, Tammy wrote:
(sic)
Am I not allowed to have fun here? Am I not allowed to find moist mini-game absolutely hilarious and try to incorporate it when I can? You can be a stick in the mud all you want, but I like to have fun and laugh, and I happen to find the moist thing funny.
But here is where you went low caliber.
I don't like your reads lists because I do not believe you have those reads.
So, given our discussion has been primed with THIS IS BELOW YOU and NOT YOUR CALIBER and a constant reminder of how DISAPPOINTED YOU ARE of course I may not take your words as light-hearted or fun and games.
Ignoring the fact that you discredit my entire reads list and approach to the game.
Again.
I'm not EXPECTING YOU to play a certain way.
I've seen how this plays out.
But you, apparnently, keep telling me how horrible and disappointing my play is.
I don't get how you can be so against being told how to play and yet have no problems telling other people how to play, or at least, say the crap I've gotten this game.
It is relevant information so I'm paying attention to it.
In post 896, Tammy wrote: You didn't get after anybody else for goofing off in rvs, you didn't get after anybody else for talking about towels and socks, you didn't get after anybody else for posting gifs/talking about laundry related stuff, you reserved that just for me for participating in the non-Andy approved moist mini game. If anyone has a problem with the other person here, it's certainly not me having a problem with you.
I didn't "reserve it" for you.
We all have expectations of each other.
I expect FB to be annoying, shitpost, maybe even claim scum D1, and chew on his scumreads like a
growlithe
dog with rabies when he doubles-down.
And there's the group of [zack, garry, Nosferatu, FB] in FB's little lurkers club who are doing next-to-nothing.
Aeronaut isn't even here.
By the way, before I forget, are you still scumreading Fro99er? Or, at least, less-than-townreading him?
I saw in in your ISO when I was quote-grabbing earlier and didn't want to forget about it.
In post 896, Tammy wrote:I didn't stifle conversation Andy. I pointed out my issues with your reads lists and that they felt fabricated like you were forcing reads to have them and you were remaining on the peripheral of the game while trying to look like you were in the midst of it. I also pointed out my problems with the way you weren't actually pushing your scum reads and interacting on things that I thought you would if you were actually involved in the game and have the reads you say you have. Point out to me where you addressed that? Because where I'm sitting you ignored it. And you ignored it to instead deflect and put me in my place about the moist thing while making a really stupid argument. I'm not stifling conversation here Andy, never was. I wouldn't have written you a long ass wall if I were stifling conversation.
No, but you both were.
I say were because Nacho isn't around.
Let me clarify, again, in case people are misunderstanding the words I use.
I don't mean conversation in general. But the whole YOUR READS ARE POETRY or THIS IS BENEATH YOU doesn't open conversation about it. You basically leave room for one to go "nope". This exchange didn't start with some "can you explain your reads? because I don't get lots of reasoning from you that I can appreciate. Can you use layman's words?" Both of you went straight to the "ITS ALL TERRIBLE/SHIT/POETRY/TALKING TO TOOGELOOS EIGHTH GRADE SPANISH TEACHER" which is useless for me because I can't help you because clearly you don't want to be helped. You didn't ask for reads or a discussion, you simply went this is terrible and below my perception of where your play should be.
How did you imagine this conversation going down?
a) YEAH TAMMY IM SORRY LYNCH ME FOR NOT PLAYING UP TO YOUR EXPECTATIONS
b) Ignore you entirely.
c) Some form of "NO, AND"
Because, from my angle, it looks like you don't really care about what I'm saying and more of you zoomed in on not liking how I'm playing this.
In post 896, Tammy wrote:And you finally address my issue with your lack of pushing your scum reads by pointing out that you're voting? Really Andy? Also, I couldn't give two fucks about team Strahd, and if you're voting with team strahd. We're playing a new game now, it's called the Laundry game. I get wanting to relive the greatness of some game past, it's why I wanted an early read on Frogger because we worked together really well in Mafiaception. But, the way you're acting about it feels contrived. Voting really isn't pressure as far as I'm concerned. People can leave their votes on a wagon all they want and not actually do anything about their scum reads, which is was I feel you are doing.
Remind me about this later because I cannot form a response that is:
a) charitable
b) lacking in sarcasm
In post 898, Fro99er wrote: In post 885, Andrius wrote:The lists aren't stratified other than by category.
If they are, I'll make it clear that's the case.
This doesn't address my underlying question though about your Dreal read.
All this serves to do is say he's not necessarily your top town read.
You asked why drealmerz was my strongest townread.
I explained how he isn't; the list isn't stratified.
Do you want to know why he's a townread in general?
Why do you think I care what zaksomethingorother thinks about my drealmerz read?
In post 899, Fro99er wrote: In post 885, Andrius wrote:This doesn't help me. At all.
I want him dead and the vague IN THE FUTURE stuff won't fly forever.
I'm not trying to help you. I'm saying there are very specific ways I can tell Nos is town. I have seen it a bit, but not enough for me to feel comfortable hems town.
Your reason on Nos is bull. It literally says you want him to do more. But you said the same for Creature and are letting him get a pass
What is the difference between the two.
I have no history with Creature so he's null for me right now (that and I haven't tried to sort him yet). I have a history with Nos and I'm perfectly comfortable not pushing that slot and letting it play out.
Its like we're on opposite sides of the court going:
FROGGER: IM WAITING FOR MORE FROM NOS
ANDRIUS: IM WAITING FOR MORE FROM CREATURE
And we're not getting anywhere together.
Because I've seen Creature in larges and
that's all I can say for now
so I hear your vague meta reasoning for Nos and I give you vague meta reasoning for Creature and
that's about all for now
.
I have a history with Creature and I'm perfectly comfortable not pushing that slot and letting it play out.
You're not trying but if you don't want him lynched I'd imagine helping other people not want to lynch him would be on your list of things that might be a good idea.
In post 900, Fro99er wrote:
That is not a reason. Plenty of town players on this site have low post count, and/or post substance (I.e. Shitposting).
Voting = applying pressure
Asking people to help me put a steak knife into his eye socket is also pressuring him
Also fite me I don't care if you don't like my reasoning.
I don't like yours but I'm not crying about it.
I just want him ded.
BUSY VOTING SCUM
In post 907, gerryoat wrote:I'm having a hard time getting into this game. Sorry, guys. I'll try to post more soon
I'd rather you literally not post than continue to do what you're doing.
Because if you don't post you'll get replaced and maybe just maybe we'll get someone who'll do something.
AMEN
Agreed.
No additional words at this time, your honor.
In post 918, Nosferatu wrote:fuck both of you. I've read this shit over twice, and its absolutely unimaginable to me that you can right so much about nothing at all. If there's a scum between these two looking at just this back and forth in isolation, its tammy, since she manages to spit out paragraphs upon paragraphs shitting on andrius's points and saying his reads are fake as fuck, but does fuck all about it.
On one hand, she goes take some steam to get going.
On the other, I would imagine lynching what she might think is ScumAndrius might float her boat a bit.
I know drealmerz would.
I would repost what Pine said in Strahd but that's a bit explicit.
In post 918, Nosferatu wrote:- terribly fake reads- terrible reasoning for the reads with a semblence of thought- subpar performance for their meta
Are you agreeing with this or restating her reasons?
Just so I know.
In post 921, Nosferatu wrote:Don't have enough for a proper readlist but {Andrius, Toog, Tammy, SAD} are PoI for now I guess. Not really interested in reading up on the other stragglers now so I guess I'll just chill.
You're voting Tammy.
Ok.
Question. Would the Tammy/I exchange then be Scum/Scum for you?
Because your reads list certainly implies this.
Also I'm curious why you're scumreading Toog too.
Vote him with me.
I'll even forget we disagreed on this.
In post 924, Tammy wrote:Yes, I think he's scum but I'm still trying to work that out.
Literally what is holding you back.
You're scumreading me who, according to you, has a HIGH CALIBER OF PLAY (or at least high enough where it can go down at least one bloc), and you're still sitting on this?
I'm baffled.
See.
I'm torn on you because yeah you could be town.
I'm also considering the remote possibility of at least one scumbag in [Tammy, Nacho] who weren't necessarily afraid of Town Andrius when they are scum but definitely wouldn't pass up an opportunity to lynch him.
The fact that you're not even voting me complicates this processes because this is literally a game of ONE ONE HAND AND ON THE OTHER for me.
WHY
Its like, here's a blank unsubstantiated read.
Do people care more about the wrapping of the present than the present itself?
Because I will not change my reads but if its literally my presentation that irks you we can have words and maybe just maybe change it.
Or do only the cool kids get to drop unsubstantiated reads?
In post 930, Pine wrote:Site-wide post: Apologies for absences, I have been having some internet connectivity issues to cap off a week of rough personal issues, including illness in the family and problems at work. These should (I hope) be clearing up in the next day or so. I'll be catching up site-wide as soon as humanly possible.
I miss you.
You do important things and I'll be here when you come back!
Definitely ok with the latter.
So how do you think he's town at this point?
Was his early game that good?
Can you remind the people what they are?
Or link to them?
Because I just ISOd a lot for Tammy and am tired of it.
In post 963, Desperado wrote:You're active in the thread and obviously reading but have no reads. Everything you say is either "man i really just can't get in to this game!" or responding to someone else mentioning you. There's no town initiative. The closest you've come to scumhunting is asking SAD why he townreads you when you've done absolutely nothing--which just about says it all.
This.
In post 969, Nachomamma8 wrote:Andrius, I will get back with you when I get a chance - this game has been thrown on the back burner a bit and I won't have a ton of time to work with this week so it will have to be of the short and sweet variety but I won't forget about you.
Well if you want anyone to take this Andrius wagon of your seriously you might want to get in here sooner than later.
And yes I am totally ok with you voting me as long as you're here posting and being readable and making reads and stuff because if Tammy doesn't have a read on you something's wrong or something.
I would gladly accept a daykill to the face if it meant we got a decent post from you every other day or something.
In post 997, Zachstralkita wrote:
Cause your attitude with him is like how you were vs twoface in space mafia.
You can see his case is bad but you can't see why it doesn't come from scum. You've just jumped to the worst case scenario.
He's town because his actions have indeed seemed genuine and his reasons for scumreading you seem like they come from someone who's not familiar with your play style.
Not that I'm familiar with your playstyle.
Something I can work with, finally.
In post 1010, Nachomamma8 wrote:I still haven't read his walls
I won't get to read his walls until later
my vote will serve the people better elsewhere for now
I mean.
I'd think you'd want to read a scumread's walls in the hopes of betting informing yourself of their alignment.
Especially when it comes to someone like me.
HALLELUJAH
Just don't leave birdlady behind and we're good.
In post 1046, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:"Catching up" then nothing
Static read/"Just lynch alreadh please"
Trolling around without content/buddying
Doesn't answer the question I asked
Making scummy assumption without baking it up
I mean, this is pretty par for the course for him.
If I tell you to go look at his play in D&D Curse of Strahd would you do it?
I spend two days trying to make sure he wasn't lynched for this crap when he was town.
