Timeshift Mafia III [Game Over]

[Land of Xanth]

Also I'm actually gonna play a game. Gonna try and guess every LoX post and I can tell ya I won't mess 86% of them.

Scumhunt instead of trying to look busy.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@ssbm
find me some more townies so we can town-bloc

I agree with Zekro town after 616 actually, I didn't really like the slot before that.

For the record, in response to 616 (that's you Zekro) I think that if James has a reason beyond meta to be claiming D1 then it would be anti-town to discuss it and I discourage James from responding to that question.

Turns out he already answered, oh well. It was meta all along.

650 was Grey

[Narna, Vifam, Skelda, PerV, Harp] right now.

[D3f3nd3r]

Havingfitz replaces Harp.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

oh forgot fuzzy too so
[Narna, Vifam, Skelda, PerV, Harp, Fuzzy]

Need to read Ramcius closer

[D3f3nd3r]

VC 1.9 (1/23/17)

CommKnight [L-9]

Land of Xanth [L-9]

TTTT [L-9]

Ramcius [L-8]

CommKnight

Pepchoninga [L-9]

SlySly [L-6]

Lil Uzi Vert, James3, Land of Xanth

Havingfitz [L-6]

PeregrineV, ssbm_Kyouko, TTTT

Vifam [L-9]

Narna [L-9]

PeregrineV [L-8]

Tywin Lannister

Skelda [L-9]

TheFuzzylogic99 [L-8]

Ramcius

James3 [L-8]

SlySly

Zekromaster [L-9]

ssbm_Kyouko [L-9]

Tywin Lannister [L-9]

Lil Uzi Vert [L-6]

Skelda, Vifam, Narna

No Lynch [L-9]

Not Voting [4]

Pepchoninga, Havingfitz, TheFuzzyLogic99, Zekromaster

Deadline is on 1/30 at 5:30pm EST, in (expired on 2017-01-30 17:30:00).

With 17 alive, it is nine to lynch.

V/LAs:
None.

Finding a replacement for Narna.

No votes were changed since the last VC, I just wanted to post it.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hf have you read any before replacing in? If so, impressions?

[havingfitz]

Hf have you read any before replacing in? If so, impressions?

I've read nothing. Just got pm from mod. Will try to be caught up by tomorrow.

[James3]

@James
who are your town-reads?

ssbm seems town

[Land of Xanth]

[Narna, Vifam, Skelda, PerV, Harp, Fuzzy]

Shit townblock considering PV is voting for Harp Slot along with you.
What's your read on us and why?

[CommKnight]

[Narna, Vifam, Skelda, PerV, Harp, Fuzzy]

Shit townblock considering PV is voting for Harp Slot along with you.
What's your read on us and why?

It's called his scum-block ya goon.

Also Ramcius is definitely more scummy than not. Something tells me he's a scum-PR with how busy with scum hunting he's trying to LOOK.

But his cop logic is flawed tremendously and I'd trust Hillary Clinton before I trusted any of his reads right about now.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

[Narna, Vifam, Skelda, PerV, Harp, Fuzzy]

Shit townblock considering PV is voting for Harp Slot along with you.
What's your read on us and why?

lmao "townblock," are you even reading me? It's my lynch pool.

I'd put you at least at townlean right now, probably at town. Early posting around RVS and James/Comm claims looked town-motivated, I've yet to be pinged by any of your posts as far as I can remember. Tone feels right too, and you're interacting with a lot of players without tunneling too hard on Sly. scum!Grey tunnels in my experience but this admittedly could be Alisae head making it harder to see. I don't think that's the case though.

[Land of Xanth]

That makes sense.

[Land of Xanth]

Also what's your read on Pepto?

[Land of Xanth]

Tone feels right too, and you're interacting with a lot of players without tunneling too hard on Sly.

Where are we voting, again?

Ugh Harp needs more time.
And this doesn't really have to do with that game Kyouko. Plus I played TERRIBLY that game. And my reads were so off as well.
I think I could be barking up the wrong tree with this...
Also you're asking him what experience he has with Mafia AND you vote him? Wouldn't it more sense to get him to answer the question, and depending on the answer vote him afterwards?
Gonna go show my support for this again since we both SR SlySly
VOTE: SlySly
-Ali

Huh.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I forgot about them actually. Still lynchable, but I'd rather go elsewhere I think. I'll read them closer.

[Ramcius]

[Narna, Vifam, Skelda, PerV, Harp, Fuzzy]

Shit townblock considering PV is voting for Harp Slot along with you.
What's your read on us and why?

It's called his scum-block ya goon.

Also Ramcius is definitely more scummy than not. Something tells me he's a scum-PR with how busy with scum hunting he's trying to LOOK.

But his cop logic is flawed tremendously and I'd trust Hillary Clinton before I trusted any of his reads right about now.

Sooo, you telling i'm faking scumhunting, when i could lurk like half people in here without getting attention? And how my logic flawed? Rolecop easily can be scum role, and you not conf rolecop, it's only early claim, so i have no reason to TR you, you a non lynchable null

Btw, is it your scumhunting? Or i hit one of your buddies and you remembered me again and woke up from your slumber?

[Skelda]

Uggh, stuff keeps coming up preventing me from committing time to this, I'm really sorry guys. I still do want to try to play though, this has just been a few busy days for me.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

[Narna, Vifam, Skelda, PerV, Harp, Fuzzy]

Shit townblock considering PV is voting for Harp Slot along with you.
What's your read on us and why?

It's called his scum-block ya goon.

Also Ramcius is definitely more scummy than not. Something tells me he's a scum-PR with how busy with scum hunting he's trying to LOOK.

But his cop logic is flawed tremendously and I'd trust Hillary Clinton before I trusted any of his reads right about now.

Sooo, you telling i'm faking scumhunting, when i could lurk like half people in here without getting attention? And how my logic flawed? Rolecop easily can be scum role, and you not conf rolecop, it's only early claim, so i have no reason to TR you, you a non lynchable null

Btw, is it your scumhunting? Or i hit one of your buddies and you remembered me again and woke up from your slumber?

How is CommKnight a null to you? He may be non-lynchable right now for his claim, but null? Just because we probably won't lynch him today doesn't mean you don't have to sort him

[Ramcius]

[Narna, Vifam, Skelda, PerV, Harp, Fuzzy]

Shit townblock considering PV is voting for Harp Slot along with you.
What's your read on us and why?

It's called his scum-block ya goon.

Also Ramcius is definitely more scummy than not. Something tells me he's a scum-PR with how busy with scum hunting he's trying to LOOK.

But his cop logic is flawed tremendously and I'd trust Hillary Clinton before I trusted any of his reads right about now.

Sooo, you telling i'm faking scumhunting, when i could lurk like half people in here without getting attention? And how my logic flawed? Rolecop easily can be scum role, and you not conf rolecop, it's only early claim, so i have no reason to TR you, you a non lynchable null

Btw, is it your scumhunting? Or i hit one of your buddies and you remembered me again and woke up from your slumber?

How is CommKnight a null to you? He may be non-lynchable right now for his claim, but null? Just because we probably won't lynch him today doesn't mean you don't have to sort him

hes null for his claim, i refuse TR him, but most of you guys go along with that claim as a town move, and my push on him had no real effect on generating associations, so only logic move here is put him in null pile and leave it for now, at this point i'm more concerned with who we lynch today

[CommKnight]

[Narna, Vifam, Skelda, PerV, Harp, Fuzzy]

Shit townblock considering PV is voting for Harp Slot along with you.
What's your read on us and why?

It's called his scum-block ya goon.

Also Ramcius is definitely more scummy than not. Something tells me he's a scum-PR with how busy with scum hunting he's trying to LOOK.

But his cop logic is flawed tremendously and I'd trust Hillary Clinton before I trusted any of his reads right about now.

Sooo, you telling i'm faking scumhunting, when i could lurk like half people in here without getting attention? And how my logic flawed? Rolecop easily can be scum role, and you not conf rolecop, it's only early claim, so i have no reason to TR you, you a non lynchable null

Btw, is it your scumhunting? Or i hit one of your buddies and you remembered me again and woke up from your slumber?

How is CommKnight a null to you? He may be non-lynchable right now for his claim, but null? Just because we probably won't lynch him today doesn't mean you don't have to sort him

^ This. Either your townread my counter-claim to James or you think I'm scum counter-claiming a WEAK cop role. One r the other bud, you can't have both. Honestly if I were scum I wouldn't even waste my shot on James. Who the hell would? He's 1-shot supposedly. That gotta be the weakest power role in existence because he can't even clear/find more than one person max.

Anyway, I've said my piece on James and have accepted to allow him a day or two to live to use his 1-shot. But have began looking into the outside piles and honestly Ramcius and Skelda look the worst of the bunch.

Also I read Ramcius next post as trying to cast shadow over my claim while not willing to actually put me in a read. Staying neutral too long on a cop claim is just as bad as buddying up to a cop claim. Which least we forget, you've been all over my claim but out of all your posts you weren't nearly as critical of James' claim. I honestly believe if James flips scum, you're 100% scum and vice-versa.

Right now I'm content with either Ramcius or Skelda meeting the noose today.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also when it comes to Pep, the reason why Me and Grey are SRing him is mostly because we don't like how he's poking at James but he doesn't want to lynch James today.
-Ali

Im Poking him, while still applying pressure. He seems to be very sure in what he does. Tho for now it is not resonable to lynch him, considering we might be wrong.

Tho Comn's role makes a bit more sense with this game in particular. I do doubth there are 2 cop roles tho. A watcher or any other investigative role possible, but not another cop.

I kinda doubth that both of those roles are town.

I don't like that Pep is considering that precisely 1 of the 2 roleclaims we have are scum. This is also part of the reason I'm SRing Harp but I didn't realize Pep was doing it too before rereading this ISO. He's also misunderstanding that a Rolecop does not funtion at all similarly to a Cop.

Spoiler: Mechanics explanation for Pep

A cop investigation reveals a player's alignment: Town, Mafia, or 3rd party (sometimes cops receive results as Town/Not Town, and Not Town doesn't distinguish between Mafia and 3rd party). A Rolecop investigation reveals what role a player has, but not their alignment.

A Rolecop who targets a 1-shot Cop would receive a result something like "Once at night, you may target a player to investigate their alignment. You will receive a Town/Not Town result."
Sometimes Cops are not town because they are intended to find the identity of the Mafia Traitor (A Traitor is a member of the Mafia who knows the identities of the rest of the Mafia, but the rest of the Mafia do not know who the Traitor is. A Mafia Cop that received a "Not Town" result on a player would know that player was the traitor, and would avoid killing them by accident. This is an example of such a setup:

Mini 1620 — The Mod is Using Comic Sans
Moderator: Marquis
Current Update: Mafia Win

Players

Beck, Mafia Even-Night Cop, survived
Bookitty replaced LandoWise, Town Mason, died night 3
Egg replaced Clusk92, Mafia Encryptor, survived
Flubbernugget, Town Mason, died night 4
JohnnyFarrar replaced emogirl123, Town Vanilla, endgamed day 5
Josh_B, Town Doctor, lynched day 2
Lissa replaced Boonskiies, Town Vanilla, lynched day 5
LlamaFluff, Mafia Traitor Neighbor, survived
Luca Blight, Town Vanilla, endgamed day 5
massive, Town Backup Neighbor, died night 1
Phijkchu_Magikarp, Town Vanilla, lynched day 1
TheDudeAbides, Serial Killer One-Shot Bulletproof Neighbor, lynched day 3
Thesp, Town Vanilla, endgamed day 5

Again, his post was deleted. You're arguing semantics. You know exactly what I meant. Why play coy?

Click Timeshift Mafia III. Go to page 1. Scroll to Post 8. Who posted it? That's a post that's not deleted. Hmmm, that contradicts what you said. Hate me for dealing in facts.

Also, yes, I believe you're scum and the only reason you'd TR a slot that doesn't make any sense to have any read on (other than null) is due to that. I also want to know why you'd be playing the way you are as scum. You're practically admitting it, and I can't figure out why. Is that direct enough for you, or do you want to continue talking about how I should word things differently, even though you fully understand everything I say to you?


Here, let me be even more direct and down to the point for you:

Are you scum?

What's your angle?

Who are your scum buddies?

I'm not scum. My angle is a town win. I don't have any scum buddies.

I dislike the questions but I dislike the answers even more. Twyin is definitely a strong TR for now.

I really disagree with how Pep came to his Tywin TR and this reads to me like Pep is setting themselves up to vote SlySly if the wagon gains more traction, because he knows Tywin/Sly are TvT. Also, if the basis for this "Strong TR" on Tywin is the questions Pep likes, then I feel that Pep should have a more intensely strong SR on SlySly that would elicit a vote from Pep. Yet, there is no vote. This seems awkward to me, and I think LoX is dead on about Pep being cautious scum here.

Pep (no hard feelings from large, just he plays so god awful)

Ongoing games don't exist.
With that said, why do you not like Pep.
We don't like Pep cuz he picked at the claim but doesn't want to lynch James so that just seems wierd to me
-Ali

He's just butthurt.

Anyways, claim doesn't seem right to me. It's early to speculate who from the 2 is scum and there is a chance that James is town that fakes his role. All in all, I belive thst just because he might not be the lynch today it doesn't mean we shouldn't poke at his claim.

James stop role fishing please. If you want the claim, help people get on the Sly wagon.

And this post asking James to push the Sly wagon. Pretty sure a scum!Pep flip clears James and Sly, also I feel like instead of asking someone else to push Sly (who Pep very probably should be strong scumreading based on 464), Pep should have just voted SlySly by now.

VOTE: Pepchoninga

[Ramcius]

[Narna, Vifam, Skelda, PerV, Harp, Fuzzy]

Shit townblock considering PV is voting for Harp Slot along with you.
What's your read on us and why?

It's called his scum-block ya goon.

Also Ramcius is definitely more scummy than not. Something tells me he's a scum-PR with how busy with scum hunting he's trying to LOOK.

But his cop logic is flawed tremendously and I'd trust Hillary Clinton before I trusted any of his reads right about now.

Sooo, you telling i'm faking scumhunting, when i could lurk like half people in here without getting attention? And how my logic flawed? Rolecop easily can be scum role, and you not conf rolecop, it's only early claim, so i have no reason to TR you, you a non lynchable null

Btw, is it your scumhunting? Or i hit one of your buddies and you remembered me again and woke up from your slumber?

How is CommKnight a null to you? He may be non-lynchable right now for his claim, but null? Just because we probably won't lynch him today doesn't mean you don't have to sort him

^ This. Either your townread my counter-claim to James or you think I'm scum counter-claiming a WEAK cop role. One r the other bud, you can't have both. Honestly if I were scum I wouldn't even waste my shot on James. Who the hell would? He's 1-shot supposedly. That gotta be the weakest power role in existence because he can't even clear/find more than one person max.

Anyway, I've said my piece on James and have accepted to allow him a day or two to live to use his 1-shot. But have began looking into the outside piles and honestly Ramcius and Skelda look the worst of the bunch.

Also I read Ramcius next post as trying to cast shadow over my claim while not willing to actually put me in a read. Staying neutral too long on a cop claim is just as bad as buddying up to a cop claim. Which least we forget, you've been all over my claim but out of all your posts you weren't nearly as critical of James' claim. I honestly believe if James flips scum, you're 100% scum and vice-versa.

Right now I'm content with either Ramcius or Skelda meeting the noose today.

I really dunno, you that dumb or it's just act? I was pushing you enough, and as i said, no one wanted to progress on that, add decision for no lynch on cop claims, why i should still push you? It gives nothing to me

now, i have some questions to you, if you so desperate going after me

1) why CC James? And if we consider role cop as a CC to normal cop (considering we had opinions it's not CC, but 2 different role slots)
2) why as a town you wanted know James modifiers, if any? Rolefishing is very towny, isn't it?
3) Why claim early D1 just to CC weakest role (it's your words)?
4) where gone your passion to scumhunt lately? After attack on James and some defense towards me you not doing much

As for your butthurt for me not going after James, and seems not reading what i writing every time you bring this up, i know how James play, and as i said, he perfectly capable of claiming any role as any alignment and being any role, so i refuse to judge his claim, while you have no way back, and i don't doubt your role, just your alignment, cause i find your actions anti-town. Does all this is shadetrowing too?

Staying neutral too long on cop claim is how long? You full of shit, i start regreting giving credit you for being just dumb town and considering putting you back on SR, yes, you gave some vague accusations on me, but why say Skelda is more scummy than any other lurker?

And very nice lynch lining from you, putting me and James together

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@Mod

, I noticed in Timeshift Mafia II, InflatablePie was a 2-shot Roleblocker that was not Timeshift modified. He submitted his block on Night 2 (meaning it would resolve on Night 3) and was lynched Day 3, but his roleblock still resolved despite the fact he was dead.

I assume this was not an error? If a player submits an action N1 and that player gets lynched D2, assuming their action was not timeshifted, will their action still succeed N2 (barring interference from other roles) even though the player is now lynched?

[CommKnight]

I really dunno, you that dumb or it's just act? I was pushing you enough, and as i said, no one wanted to progress on that, add decision for no lynch on cop claims, why i should still push you? It gives nothing to me

now, i have some questions to you, if you so desperate going after me

1) why CC James? And if we consider role cop as a CC to normal cop (considering we had opinions it's not CC, but 2 different role slots)
2) why as a town you wanted know James modifiers, if any? Rolefishing is very towny, isn't it?
3) Why claim early D1 just to CC weakest role (it's your words)?
4) where gone your passion to scumhunt lately? After attack on James and some defense towards me you not doing much

As for your butthurt for me not going after James, and seems not reading what i writing every time you bring this up, i know how James play, and as i said, he perfectly capable of claiming any role as any alignment and being any role, so i refuse to judge his claim, while you have no way back, and i don't doubt your role, just your alignment, cause i find your actions anti-town. Does all this is shadetrowing too?

Staying neutral too long on cop claim is how long? You full of shit, i start regreting giving credit you for being just dumb town and considering putting you back on SR, yes, you gave some vague accusations on me, but why say Skelda is more scummy than any other lurker?

And very nice lynch lining from you, putting me and James together

1.) We are two cops. I realize this is not impossible, but with the amount of investigative roles possible, the likelyhood of two cops regardless of what's put before it is lowered. On ToS, they are considered different roles, however, they are still Investigative roles. On here it's no different other than the fact that ToS is randomized and this isn't. Forum mafia rarely has 2 trackers, 2 watchers, etc. 2 cops is quite rare.
2.) He already outed his role. I do not believe his claim. Without further modification his role does not make sense. If you were reading, you would've seen my entire argument on that, however it is evident you missed that bit. ISO me and read my posts from ISO 1-12. You'll see my arguments against his claim and why it doesn't make sense without further modifiers to me. TL;DR: Without further modifiers, he's useless because he can be trained, roleblocked, etc. If he was 3-shot, was unblockable or could even get a result immediately tonight. I could believe THAT. But 1-shot normal cop with no more modifiers other than the 1-shot. I do not believe. So by pushing him to out more to it is more for me to not see him as scum. Because without more to it, he's 100% scum fake claiming to survive 2 days without anyone lynching him or putting him into their scum pool.
3.)

So what do you got to say now Tywin? If you want to push further, we can get into a scrap right here right now. Look at my full post. It's logical for me to claim today because while he lives any protective role we have protecting his "one-shot" ass is effectively not protecting town.

Disagree? Come at me bro.

4.) I'm content with my current reads and haven't noticed anything majorly telling of many others as of yet. Your lack of reading as to the answers of questions 1-3 being easily found in my ISO is very telling. Either you're a townie who doesn't care to read or a scum who isn't keeping track of the very people they're after.

Come at me. When you flip scum, I'll be laughing my way to the bank as I expose your scum mates one by one. Skelda's posts have been utter shit. The others have been truly AFK, he's been prod dodging and posting nothing but filler since I let off pushing him. But my higher scum read comes from you. Whom I believe is definitely a scum PR.

Right now my scum pool consists of you, Skelda and James. Am I right 100%? Probably not because who is D1? If I am, I'm gonna be chuckling post-game when you all flip and we win that I pinned ya'll D1.

[Ramcius]

I really dunno, you that dumb or it's just act? I was pushing you enough, and as i said, no one wanted to progress on that, add decision for no lynch on cop claims, why i should still push you? It gives nothing to me

now, i have some questions to you, if you so desperate going after me

1) why CC James? And if we consider role cop as a CC to normal cop (considering we had opinions it's not CC, but 2 different role slots)
2) why as a town you wanted know James modifiers, if any? Rolefishing is very towny, isn't it?
3) Why claim early D1 just to CC weakest role (it's your words)?
4) where gone your passion to scumhunt lately? After attack on James and some defense towards me you not doing much

As for your butthurt for me not going after James, and seems not reading what i writing every time you bring this up, i know how James play, and as i said, he perfectly capable of claiming any role as any alignment and being any role, so i refuse to judge his claim, while you have no way back, and i don't doubt your role, just your alignment, cause i find your actions anti-town. Does all this is shadetrowing too?

Staying neutral too long on cop claim is how long? You full of shit, i start regreting giving credit you for being just dumb town and considering putting you back on SR, yes, you gave some vague accusations on me, but why say Skelda is more scummy than any other lurker?

And very nice lynch lining from you, putting me and James together

1.) We are two cops. I realize this is not impossible, but with the amount of investigative roles possible, the likelyhood of two cops regardless of what's put before it is lowered. On ToS, they are considered different roles, however, they are still Investigative roles. On here it's no different other than the fact that ToS is randomized and this isn't. Forum mafia rarely has 2 trackers, 2 watchers, etc. 2 cops is quite rare.
2.) He already outed his role. I do not believe his claim. Without further modification his role does not make sense. If you were reading, you would've seen my entire argument on that, however it is evident you missed that bit. ISO me and read my posts from ISO 1-12. You'll see my arguments against his claim and why it doesn't make sense without further modifiers to me. TL;DR: Without further modifiers, he's useless because he can be trained, roleblocked, etc. If he was 3-shot, was unblockable or could even get a result immediately tonight. I could believe THAT. But 1-shot normal cop with no more modifiers other than the 1-shot. I do not believe. So by pushing him to out more to it is more for me to not see him as scum. Because without more to it, he's 100% scum fake claiming to survive 2 days without anyone lynching him or putting him into their scum pool.
3.)

So what do you got to say now Tywin? If you want to push further, we can get into a scrap right here right now. Look at my full post. It's logical for me to claim today because while he lives any protective role we have protecting his "one-shot" ass is effectively not protecting town.

Disagree? Come at me bro.

4.) I'm content with my current reads and haven't noticed anything majorly telling of many others as of yet. Your lack of reading as to the answers of questions 1-3 being easily found in my ISO is very telling. Either you're a townie who doesn't care to read or a scum who isn't keeping track of the very people they're after.

Come at me. When you flip scum, I'll be laughing my way to the bank as I expose your scum mates one by one. Skelda's posts have been utter shit. The others have been truly AFK, he's been prod dodging and posting nothing but filler since I let off pushing him. But my higher scum read comes from you. Whom I believe is definitely a scum PR.

Right now my scum pool consists of you, Skelda and James. Am I right 100%? Probably not because who is D1? If I am, I'm gonna be chuckling post-game when you all flip and we win that I pinned ya'll D1.

1) forget ToS, especially if you don't know anything about ToS fm and setups there, as to my original question - wasn't there another way confront weak claim without CC him early D1?
2) oh, i read that, don't worry, but my question is, wouldn't it be better keep in secret from scum team modifiers? Keep them guessing?
3) And what you achieved? James still safe, and you just gave another target for mafia, good job i have to say, way to go i have to say
4) Maybe read tread? Pep is coming up as scum, Fuzzy's VT claim and very defensive pose, Harp's 50/50 stance on cop claims that was called out. You biased, or trying use your towncred from your claim to get ML, it doesn't matter, cause i'm not flipping scum, so don't worry, i will remind this after game and you could run with your tail between legs in shame