WWE Mafia - Smackdown! (Game Over - Off Television)

[Titus]

Gamma, do you think Maria would make the amount of content she has, as Scum?

The more content one creates, the more chances they have to slip up as scum, right?

My playstyle contradicts that philosophy of wanting to be reserved: I tend to post rather wildly as scum, faking reactions and whatnot. And playstyle is trumped by objective analysis: no town asks what Maria did. If I still had my moves I'd use them on her.

Death bus

[Titus]

I'M A LURKER????
WHAT MAKES YOU SAY THAT?

You haven't posted substantively in awhile. No vla announcement.

[Titus]

Spoiler: Raw/A50

I wouldn't mind going over. If Nero goes all Titus is scum/the worst player ever and spams the thread to where nothing can get done, we can just use a finishing move. I would outright suggest maybe me for Nero then but I recall some townie voices objecting to Nero.

I would want Tywin over here IMO. Twyin has concerns about me being agency captured by Grey. Separating me and Grey would be the best way to resolve those and set up Smackdown for the long haul, assuming none of us get killed.

I never really considered the scumteams not knowing each other but it makes sense. Luckily, I hadn't done much in the way of cross thread associatives. I just think it equally makes sense that if the GM pushed to draft lurkers, we'd have a red flag situation that the GM wouldn't live through. I wouldn't call you an IC. I am a stickler for such labels. 1 town and one scum makes a lot, if there were scum at all makes sense. Both initial GMs being scum would make the game impossible.

I feel relatively confident you will make the right decision. I think scum might know each other and have chat because all my scumreads are like NO TALK and all the good guys want to communicate and stick together.

What do you think of Vifam, Dodge and Kain Tepes?.

@Massive, he has a pending finishing move on him. What do you think of A50s comments that I should treat you like an IC?

What does agency captured mean?

Townie tricked into working for scum.

[Titus]

oh wait gamma's dying?
ehhh
I think Gamma/Iai are on dif sides and I think IaI is scum so I really wanna break this up but I'm not confident enough in the read of town gamma to want to break it
oh well! Bye gamma

Yuck

[Titus]

I'M A LURKER????
WHAT MAKES YOU SAY THAT?

You haven't posted substantively in awhile. No vla announcement.

I told the mod.

When. I basically finished you for lurkerness and town approval of lurkerness dying.

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oh wait gamma's dying?
ehhh
I think Gamma/Iai are on dif sides and I think IaI is scum so I really wanna break this up but I'm not confident enough in the read of town gamma to want to break it
oh well! Bye gamma

IAI is town for reasons I can't discuss right now but hinted at earlier when I pointed out his post 80.

Not subtle.

[Titus]

I told the mod Wednesday.

Mod: Did you miss announcing Gamma Emerald vla or not put it in the vcs?

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oh wait gamma's dying?
ehhh
I think Gamma/Iai are on dif sides and I think IaI is scum so I really wanna break this up but I'm not confident enough in the read of town gamma to want to break it
oh well! Bye gamma

>I TR Gamma
>Oh shit he's going to be gone
>I think he isn't aligned with IaI
>I think IaI is scum
>ehhh those reads aren't

super strong

...
>Sayonara townread
IaI and MariaR def teamed.

I concluded MariaR/Gamma teamed, but if I squint I can see your angle.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

C-C-C-Combo breaker!

VOTE: MariaR

Bidding her supposed townread adieux... why? I think it's because he's scumreading her.

Umm that's out of left field. Explain.

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oh wait gamma's dying?
ehhh
I think Gamma/Iai are on dif sides and I think IaI is scum so I really wanna break this up but I'm not confident enough in the read of town gamma to want to break it
oh well! Bye gamma

>I TR Gamma
>Oh shit he's going to be gone
>I think he isn't aligned with IaI
>I think IaI is scum
>ehhh those reads aren't

super strong

...
>Sayonara townread
IaI and MariaR def teamed.

I concluded MariaR/Gamma teamed, but if I squint I can see your angle.

SERIOUSLY? AFTER SHE STUCK HER NECK OUT LAST TIME?

Last time?

[Titus]

Clothesline from Hell: Gamma Emerald
Abdominal Stretch: Gamma Emerald

Merry Christmas everyone.

Merry Christmas! Very good choice here. Approved.

Yeah, NOT townreading Tywin.

Why?

[Titus]

and the fact that NOBODY has tried to save GAMMA at all seems to show that he doesnt have scumbuddies here to save him so it's more likely hes not scum

Yeah, this just isn't true. MariaR and Grey have both saved Gamma.

[Titus]

I'm not lynching anyone other than MariaR/IaI if I can help it

*points to MariaR* That's a thing.

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I can't tell if the sub stops if you vote or lynch...let's test it!
VOTE: Grey

and the surrounding posts

I already cased those but i do not see how iai is scum.

I would look more at Vifam.

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Just how did Vifam townslip to you? I haven't been listening much to them because all they do is garbage.

[Titus]

Just how did Vifam townslip to you? I haven't been listening much to them because all they do is garbage.

They stated the town wincon word for word. I'll go back to the PTs for Death Note though, see if it might not be a clear.

That's not a slip. Kuroi gives fakeclaims evidently. If it was a legit townslip, Vifam would be modkilled for rolepm quoting.

[Titus]

You'd know that how? You've seen a Kuroi fake claim before?

What post are you referencing?

[Titus]

Assuming arguendo that Vifam posted our wincon and your lack of fakes is accurate, that makes me, Creature and Vifam all lock town. Seems too easy.

[Titus]

Assuming arguendo that Vifam posted our wincon and your lack of fakes is accurate, that makes me, Creature and Vifam all lock town. Seems too easy.

Why you and Creature?

Creature tested to see if I knew town flavor in RVS without having PM quote. I answered indirectly.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

Btw, I think the mod hasn't put a sample role PM yet, so we could confirm someone as town: What's your alignment flavor?

I would rather cry like a baby face than answer that.

[Titus]

My role PM says I win when the entire heel threat is eliminated from the brand

yeah i am BABY FACE also FACE, also townie,, and i win when ENTIRE HEEL THREAT eliminated from BRAND,, but there is nothing about OUTNUMBER THE FACES,, what do you mean????????

So, KT is conftown now.

These two are about 1000 posts after the inital discussion. They likely got the information from the mod.

What do you think of Vifam's play?

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My role PM says I win when the entire heel threat is eliminated from the brand

yeah i am BABY FACE also FACE, also townie,, and i win when ENTIRE HEEL THREAT eliminated from BRAND,, but there is nothing about OUTNUMBER THE FACES,, what do you mean????????

So, KT is conftown now.

These two are about 1000 posts after the inital discussion. They likely got the information from the mod.

What do you think of Vifam's play?

Are you calling them scum?

No shit.

Look at their ISO. It's devoid of questions almost entirely. 75+ percent inolves naked statements of "Lynch Titus".

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You do not because you are scum. You don't have to solve anyone's alignment. We do.

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Honestly all KT does is ask questions tbh

Don't deflect. Kain Tepes is annoying, but he's minorly been doing some scumhunting things. That's why I decided against impliding him, no matter how impossible he us to understand.

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Vifam keeps going "uuuuhh" when someone makes a hard accusation on her
it's pretty annoying
realtalk though: I don't really know what to think of Vifam beyond the townslip.

It's not a fucking townslip. Jeezus. Vifam just got a faje from the mod.

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Like you know Vifam's play is garbage.

You kniw that quoting role pm to confirm alignment = modkill.

So, you know that it's not a townslip. The only other possibility is the mod gave scum a fakeclaim with that exact information.

[Titus]

Otherwise, Vifam would be dead.

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Umm like there's an alleged difference between copying and pasting versus typing out.

This is scum, using their fakeclaim, to confirm themselves as town.

[Titus]

It's quoting mod given information. It's in the rules.

[Titus]

You may not quote private moderator-supplied information (either real or fabricated) of any kind. Paraphrasing (for role claims, etc.) is acceptable.

It's illegal the moment anyone tries to argue alignment from quoting ffs this isn't anyone's first game

[Titus]

You got those backwards. I told the mod. He'll punish you for cheating, and we'll get to hunt your buddies.

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You may not quote private moderator-supplied information (either real or fabricated) of any kind. Paraphrasing (for role claims, etc.) is acceptable.

It's illegal the moment anyone tries to argue alignment from quoting ffs this isn't anyone's first game

but she didn't quote it. Quoting refers to things like snapshotting your PM and putting THAT in, not stating your wincon word for word. Sure it gives a confirmation that's irrefutable (mostly), but it's not like she MEANT to do so. Quoting implies INTENT.

No. It's not intent at all. It's been the confirmation why that rule is in place Gamma. You are not reading Vifam's play.

You're incorrectly assuming Vifam is town due to outsude influences. While I am pretty damn sure you are wrong, that's the point of the rule. To play mafia, not check the role pm.

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You got those backwards. I told the mod. He'll punish you for cheating, and we'll get to hunt your buddies.

If I am scum how is that cheating

Real or fabricated.

Anyway I quoted the issue and told the mod.

[Titus]

I am off to anywhere else before I say something dumb.

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This is dumb because this could literally all be avoided with sample PMs in the OP

Agreed but that's life. I don't think regardless of your alignment you meant to cheat. This is the first genuine sounding thing all game from you.

[Titus]

Ok, great. Let's play on now.

[Titus]

I Am Innocent - Titus - -Grey- - Tywin Lannister - Vifam - Creature

This should be a good townblock.

I agree with all but Vifam. Vifam must scumhunt before I will ever townread them, especially after trying to coast on a fake claim. Plus if Gamma is scum, then Vifam is likely a partner since Gamma refused to read their play and tried to create a townslip for his buddy.

VOTE: Gamma

Gamma/MariaR/Vifam

[Titus]

Maybe massive could also be part of the townblock.

Take out vifam, put in massive?

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This is dumb because this could literally all be avoided with sample PMs in the OP

Still think posts like this are town.

It's genuine. It's just scum that didn't mean to cheat.

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I agree with all but Vifam. Vifam must scumhunt before I will ever townread them, especially after trying to coast on a fake claim

How am I not scumhunting

This is the 6th to seventh time you have asked this filler question.

There is zero effort to sort anyone. You're just spamming vote Titus.

[Titus]

idk what you want from me tbh

If you're town then you're just harping on my play which is dumb

Now I am just dumb.

You're just shading me to protect yourself.

Throwing out names alone isn't scumhunting.

[Titus]

idk what you want from me tbh

If you're town then you're just harping on my play which is dumb

Now I am just dumb.

You're just shading me to protect yourself.

Throwing out names alone isn't scumhunting.

You ask me to explain a townread and I'll explain it I wont go out of my way if you dont ask

You mean the last 5 times we had this conversation. Where you pull conclusions out. Never do anything to reach them and expect me to buy it.

No thanks.

I have nothing more to say to you.

[Titus]

The person she most tunnels is always town, but at least she ends up attacking some scum along the tunnel (with the exception of whoever tries to defend her tunnelee).

So you're townreading Vifam not based on his play, but based on me

always

being wrong.

See Wake's role madness. I only had one read wrong the entire game, and it was my first check.

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The person she most tunnels is always town, but at least she ends up attacking some scum along the tunnel (with the exception of whoever tries to defend her tunnelee).

So you're townreading Vifam not based on his play, but based on me

always

being wrong.

See Wake's role madness. I only had one read wrong the entire game, and it was my first check.

No, I'm townreading Vifam based on his play, I got to that conclusion out of that.

There's nothing to townread in his play. The only thing that scumfuck did is fuck the game.

[Titus]

Wifom

[Titus]

We need to lynch Maria NOW. If we don't she gets drafted.

Didn't you just saw you could change things up?

[Titus]

We need to lynch Maria NOW. If we don't she gets drafted.

Didn't you just saw you could change things up?

I don't know what it does specifically.

So you're claiming an ability that you don't know what it does? At all?

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We need to lynch Maria NOW. If we don't she gets drafted.

Didn't you just saw you could change things up?

I don't know what it does specifically.

So you're claiming an ability that you don't know what it does? At all?

I asked the mod and have some theories. Beyond that, no clue. And it's not guaranteed to be completely under my control.

Ok, well what indications did the mod give?

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So, great. Gamma's holding threatening nuking the townblock over our heads if we lynch him.

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To be more through, that power is so obviously ridiculous as to basically be a scumclaim in my eyes. It's just a last ditch effort to save yourself by claiming something powerful/dangerous, but it's so out there as to be totally transparent.

Seriously? I KNOW my power is so disruptive it belongs in scum's hands more. WHY THE FUCK WOULD I CLAIM IT? We KNOW Kuroi provides fakeclaims. I would have had SOMETHING better to claim.

"If you try and lynch me, I'll use this stupid ridiculous power that i totally have,so you better not!" -No one who was ever town, ever. You're trying to hold the town hostage with this supposed power while admitting that it would be bad for town to use it. Why would town do that?

This.

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I think drafting KMD or Narna is preferred. Leon lurks too much imo and we all know about me and Nero.

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Oh yeah.

VOTE: Tywin

This is not town. By any stretch of the imagination.

This is my biggest townread so you got some splaining to do.

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I know self meta is shit but it's my play style to hang back unless i have something to really go after.

This only means something if the posts you do make actually contribute to the game.

There is zero scumhunting in your ISO, just a bunch of setup spec and fluff.

VOTE: Pep

I'm good with starting the day here.

VOTE: Pep

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Leonshade, you should pay closer attention. Your role is to vet the townblock as the outside voice if town.

Massive, why did you draft Leon?

Spoiler: RAW

Vifam is your problem now. I feel really good about your draft decision. If Vifam/Nero continue to do nothing but whine about me, you should just policy lynch them as their behavior gives scum an excuse to hide.

Leon wasn't really active over there. Do you think it was an alignment thing or a situational thing? Seeing the true colors of that is like expecting colors from Greyscale. Almost impossible. What can you do to get that game more engaged?

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Kain was killed because he claimed a vague generic "power role." I don't think any of the town believed him, but clearly scum did.

Tywin is town for not paying attention to that, I guess.

Booo.

Derps are not clears. Tywin is town.

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Kain was killed because he claimed a vague generic "power role." I don't think any of the town believed him, but clearly scum did.

Tywin is town for not paying attention to that, I guess.

That's probably the most ridiculous reason to townread someone I have ever heard.

Stupid =/= ridiculous.

[Titus]

Yo

DiamondSentinal

I got a message for you from the boss.

*use STFU on DiamondSentinal*

You got a problem with it? Talk to the hand...

Wait, you don't deserve the whole hand. You only get one finger.

*use FU on DiamondSentinal*

Chill pills for sale.

You get a free one.

[Titus]

Meh. Whatever. I can see why the site's losing so many people. Jesus christ, you new members are toxic.

You need a chill pill too.

One overreaction doesn't need another.

[Titus]

Diamond, chill and we'll talk tomorrow when irl not interfering.

[Titus]

Clothesline from Hell:

Pepto

Abdominal Stretch

Pepto

Game is stalling.

[Titus]

Why say that?

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus
Let's just end this rn

I claim Mason with Pepto

Fake claims are not cool.

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We have no certainty when lylo is though. It's a perfect coasting claim for buddies. If my math is right, if Leon is scum, we are already in mylo.

It's a perfect fake claim for that reason.

Why does it make perfect sense?

[Titus]

That makes zero sense.

I will come back tomorrow.

[Titus]

Stealing about 5 minutes here before my next meeting.

I don't buy Maria's claim of mason. I need to figure out whether or not she's town fakeclaiming or scum doing it. Pepto would latch on as scum regardless.

I believe Maria is faking because she said if they're masons, she'd scream. A true mason never would have entertained the possibility of me and Grey being masons.

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Why not outright say you don't believe me? It was an obvious joke carried through from the signup thread. It wouldn't have outed anything.

Why not prove it now?

[Titus]

Nah, I wasn't kidding about mylo.

If we make the following assumptions, shit can hit the fan today.

1)3 scum each faction
2)Leonshade scum
3) Vifam town (this one hinky)
4) Massive drafts a scumfuck
5) Almost Chara drafts a townie
6) We mislynched today

[Titus]

So, do we lynch Leon or Pepto?

I feel more confident in Pepto being scum than Leon. Yet, Leon is the safer play and a Leon townflip makes MariaR/Pepto faking masons less likely.

[Titus]

1. That won't work
2. That's a bad idea overall

Why?

[Titus]

I don't feel like lynching a mason claim right now.

Well, I plan on voting Pepto or Leon barring an exceptional reason not to. So if you wanna work with me, great. I haven't seen any reason to let the three of them live and possible disaster if they do.

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I don't feel like lynching a mason claim right now.

Well, I plan on voting Pepto or Leon barring an exceptional reason not to. So if you wanna work with me, great. I haven't seen any reason to let the three of them live and possible disaster if they do.

Why? You can't lynch the Mason claim. Why would scum claim that there? They'd be outing at least half their team, if not more... To save a pretty useless player in Pepto. I don't see it being fake, but even if it is, I don't think they're the correct lynch today. I think diamond (Alban) is scum. Pepto was the other useless player, but Alban was ignored simply due to being replaced by a more competent player. That doesn't excuse Alban's entire play D1, and I don't like anything diamonds done D2 either. I said I thought there was at least 1 scum in the Alban/Pepto/KT pool, and KT is dead, Pepto claimed Mason with MariaR... So Alban/Diamond is the scum.

I was townreading Alban D1 pretty hard, but I will take a look on that tonight when I get home.

The posture you are taking is exactly why scum would fakeclaim mason. Particularly so if they can control the draft.

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Yeah, I basically want to take MariaR out back and shoot her with sodium penethol (truth serum), so we can lynch pepto.

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Ballsy to claim masons so no one lynches in lylo. I don't think so.

I don't see a point to not lynch in MariaR, Pepto or Leon.

Your SR on Diamond just seems vindictive.

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That's a horrible town gambit, it would take a lot to get me to believe that it was a town gambit instead of scum protecting their buddy.

I know. Usually most people don't test mason claims because masons.

Yeah, I have faked masons before as town. I was so sure Dunn was town but the only thing I could point to was an ongoing game. I couldn't discuss my read, so I said masons.

I think mason claims should be tested.

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That's a horrible town gambit, it would take a lot to get me to believe that it was a town gambit instead of scum protecting their buddy.

I know. Usually most people don't test mason claims because masons.

Yeah, I have faked masons before as town. I was so sure Dunn was town but the only thing I could point to was an ongoing game. I couldn't discuss my read, so I said masons.

I think mason claims should be tested.

And why would you test it immediately? If you're wrong, we lose the pair immediately, because scum NKs the other immediately. The ability of a mason pair is greatly reduced if you kill one. Look at Antihero v. Fakegod. Dumbass mason suicide bombed 3 days in and then the other revealed. He didn't die until N2, but those 2 days we couldn't do much with him.

Because there would be next to no room to hide and if they are town my reads need a major reset. I just cannot see Pepto being town.

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You're pushing my biggest townread and have a fake claim that can set up autowin for scum.

When can you prove this mason claim of yours?

Stop giving me puppy dog eyes.

[Titus]

So you prove it by setup spec? Why not just claim the tag team manuever with your original claim? The mod error makes me think all of us can link up, as he said Gamma couldn't post originally when I finished him.

Creature meanwhile has his reads perfect until you fakeclaim masons.

If you're town, you have one last chance to call off this gambit and apologize. If you do not in your next post, after Pepto flips scum I will impale you.

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I saw no reason to claim the tag team move
plus certain conditions need to be met for it to be used and we can only use it twice
I will not name said conditions

See this is the problem. You cannot prove it without conditions being met, yet you refuse to tell us what those conditions are.

Plus, you leave the door open to being a fakeclaim by you saying you just hard townread him.

You want me to accept your claim. I want proof. You deny it.

Tell us these conditions. You can do it once to prove yourself if town and later again.

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My reads match perfectly with you and Pepto being scum and the possibility of "autoloss" are not good reasons to you. We can prove it without flipping one of you, which is the best scenario if you are town. The worst that happens is that you're confirmed town if you're setup spec is accurate.

I am also not screaming. You said you could prove yourself. I am calling your bluff.

I don't like it when I lead a wagon full of obvtown onto obvscum to have it derailed by an obviously fake claim and them push onto obvtown.

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Isn't it funny how you can prove none of that statement at all?
This convo is going no where.

I proved how scum can autowin if Leon and Massive are scum with you and Pepto.
I proved my reads.
I called your bluff.

You're trying to fold now.

Claim your conditions and we can prove or disprove this.

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I am so scared maria.

Diamond, Grey is a noob me with less moonlogic. *love*

You can get your cage match. Vote Pepto with me. If I am right, we get scum. If I am wrong and they prove themselves, I have to reset my reads.

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I'm gonna add one thing to what my partner has said about our tag finisher.

Once the conditions have been met, we need to each post one half of the finishers name, and no one can post in between them or else the move fails, and we can only attempt use it once a day, even if it fails. Ok that was 3 things.

Long story short, turn on your preview post checkers, everyone.

Yeah that's total crap.

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There are just going to be more and more conditions to explain why this never works.

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Everyone shut up so that Maria and Pepto can show off their high-flyin' moves.

One of us tell you guys when the conditions have been met and we can actually do the move, so you can hold your shuting up until then.

^

Why don't you tell us the conditions, so we can make them met?

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I am not trying to have a dong measuring contest. But this noob came in here and immediately dismissed my "meta talk" of sorts as wrong, when there's literally no way he could know.

It wasn't meta talk, it was tell talk.

Which is meta.

If tells were meta, there would be no need for the word tells.

Tells are a stronger form of meta. Meta is typically not seen. When people claim something is strictly meta, they are usually wrong. It's hard to describe meta. (e.g. "Posting is supposed to be organized as town and unorganized thought is a sign of scum" is often described as meta, but it's very clearly not the actual trend of the site).
Tells are very concrete actions or trends. Certain people have lurk-tells. Tells are also harder to "fake" or fool people with. People with lurk-tells can try to show some form of activity when they are scum, but it'll often be obviously empty. Other people have less easily vocalized tells, but the trend is extremely evident. There are some who play super aggressively as town, even when they are shown to be entirely wrong, but are spineless and fairly absent as scum.

Stop semanticing each other to death and help me with scum.

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I am not trying to have a dong measuring contest. But this noob came in here and immediately dismissed my "meta talk" of sorts as wrong, when there's literally no way he could know.

It wasn't meta talk, it was tell talk.

Which is meta.

If tells were meta, there would be no need for the word tells.

Tells are a stronger form of meta. Meta is typically not seen. When people claim something is strictly meta, they are usually wrong. It's hard to describe meta. (e.g. "Posting is supposed to be organized as town and unorganized thought is a sign of scum" is often described as meta, but it's very clearly not the actual trend of the site).
Tells are very concrete actions or trends. Certain people have lurk-tells. Tells are also harder to "fake" or fool people with. People with lurk-tells can try to show some form of activity when they are scum, but it'll often be obviously empty. Other people have less easily vocalized tells, but the trend is extremely evident. There are some who play super aggressively as town, even when they are shown to be entirely wrong, but are spineless and fairly absent as scum.

Stop semanticing each other to death and help me with scum.

I've found scum and you won't believe me.

Then help me get my reads on straight then. Getting into a pissy fight with Grey is not exactly encouraging me to vote Tywin.

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Hello fish. Please keep telling me how to climb this tree.

PEdit: Well, give me a solid read list, and I'll help you sort through it. I don't even know what you believe besides the masons being scum and Tywin being town.

MariaR Pepto obvscum
Leonshade solid scum
Massive lean scum or townbeard
Everyone else is pretty solidly town

I do need to review Monday in detail.

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@Diamond, Assume we mislynch and Massive recruit a 5th scum. Count the bodies.

Because Pepto has done jackshit. Creature and IaI are obvious town. Mason claim to save themselves. Now, they push retaliation wagons. Notice how they don't even try to engage you on Tywin. He didn't question them.

@Massive - A townbeard is a town that accidently works for scum. Think vig that shoots obvtown.

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I love how Titus screams obvtown but gives 0 reason why

I did. The only reason Creature is gettong pushed today is because he voted you. Yesterday, him being obvtown was obvious.

He is obvtown in this thread today and yesterday and you cannot point to one reason why he is scum.

I see scum pushing him after uniting town.

Why won't you claim these "conditions"? They don't exist

[Titus]

I love how Titus screams obvtown but gives 0 reason why

Don't worry. I'm fairly certain this is Titus!town. Although this is approaching the point that even I can't ignore.

So basically, you're saying I accept scum as town or you threaten me? What else would you have me do? Let town mislynch and die?

[Titus]

Oh and now you're both fueling a T v T battle.

[Titus]

Khcicihcovouv

Really, you just pretended to kill or killed the most obvious town player in the game and gave him zero opportunity to claim?

[Titus]

You can start with zefiend.

No, we start with the fakeclaimers.

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Creature is Dead Titus
we both agreed he was scummy
if were wrong oh well

No, he was the focal point of the town and now you got him turned around.

Me Creature IaI Alban was a really solid block. You just ruined it with that fakeclaim and now random death of obvtown.

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I am hoping they're desperados. It'd be super helpful.

They wouldn't murder you if Desperados. Take the blinders off.

Lynch without claim is scummy as fuck.

[Titus]

I love how Titus screams obvtown but gives 0 reason why

Don't worry. I'm fairly certain this is Titus!town. Although this is approaching the point that even I can't ignore.

oh I agree with you on that
how sure are you on Tywin btw

Extremely.

I love how Titus screams obvtown but gives 0 reason why

Don't worry. I'm fairly certain this is Titus!town. Although this is approaching the point that even I can't ignore.

So basically, you're saying I accept scum as town or you threaten me? What else would you have me do? Let town mislynch and die?

No. Give reasons. It wasn't a threat. It's just that I'm gradually scumreading you more and more because this is blatant.

VOTE: Tywin

Hey Dimond wanna vote this?

I can't for another day or so.

Scum retaliating doesn't count as a reason to you? Hammer without a claim not a reason? Creature being unanimous obvious town prior to the mason claim doesn't count?

I could claim I copped him and you still wouldn't find that as a reason.

I hope you get drafted to RAW so you don't fuck up and keep tunnelling obvious town like Tywin.

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Not even scum stopping it. Just anyone who townread Creature would try to interrupt it.

Use your brain, Titus.

I was afk, or I would have interrupted, scumreads be damned. I had a work call.

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I am not answering if I did or did not cop Creature.

I gave reasons. The "masons" ignored them.

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Spoiler: Almost Chara

If you think massive is scum, draft Leon. If not, it might be GG.
If you think massive is town, Draft DS. I don't think I can dismantle the T v T that is Tywin v DS.

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you gave 0 reasons you only kept saying obv town

Stop fucking lying.

[Titus]

I am out before I say things I will regret.

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I'm not lying you just can't see the truth Titus I kept asking over and over why he was town to see if I didn't want to exe him and got none

You got reasons. Creature was unamiously townread until you claimed masons.

Then you pummelled him away.

The sudden 180 is textbook scum push AND A REASON TO TOWNREAD CREATURE.

STOP FUCKING LYING.

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Drafting the same players back and forth just lets scum talk to each other.

RAW, treat it as a scumclaim if AC brings Leon back.

Normally, I would agree but scum can win if Leon isn't drafted and massive is scum.

[Titus]

Fuck this. I am really out now. Stop directing me questions or making dumb comments.

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Drafting the same players back and forth just lets scum talk to each other.

RAW, treat it as a scumclaim if AC brings Leon back.

Normally, I would agree but scum can win if Leon isn't drafted and massive is scum.

Why do you think massive might be scum?

The mason claim lets scum sail to endgame in Smackdown if they can ensure that another scum is drafted.

Drafting Leon back guarantees another day.

[Titus]

Just because someone is townread by a lot of people doesn't make them obv town you know this

No but scum taking advantage of players who pushed a now unpopular read does.

[Titus]

Titus.

Stop beating around the fucking bush. Did you or did you not cop him?

If you did, but refuse to say, SCUM WILL STILL KILL YOU.


People softclaiming cops or being wishy-washy is stupid, because you only confuse town. Scum know if you're lying.

My beating around the bush is good. I'll explain why post game. I am not worried about scum. If I die, my reads are proven right.

[Titus]

Ok, Nero and Leon cannot be scum together.

Spoiler: RaW

Take note of that.

[Titus]

I am at MariaR, Pepto, Leon, Massive

[Titus]

You cannot sr Pepto without Maria.

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Spoiler: Math

Considering one flip could out two scum AND prevent a mislynch, I think it's worth being patient.

If the Masons ARE scum, I don't want to risk running another wagon up for them to snipe.

If they are both scum, then they can snipe us from the start.

We

can not

risk them going into any sort of LyLo/MyLo. If they are both scum, they can quickhammer to get the win by designating a time and place. It's not a risk I'm willing to take.

This, plus Math counterclaiming the "masonry" makes it clear what we must do.

VOTE: Pepto

Spoiler: Math

I will help with RaW in a bit. I think you're being buddied though. I understand the worry on DS but this is town DS.

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This again?

[sigh]

Grey, I hope for your sake you're scum. Because if you're not, you're the worst player I've ever experienced.

The Masons having an active dayvig in MyLo/LyLo points to them being town.

Why would the mod give scum a free kill in that scenario?

Have you seen the power for us?

[Titus]

The assumption is Maria is fake claiming because she's protecting you despite the numerous backout attempts I gave Maria.

[Titus]

What is Swanton bomb?

[Titus]

Why would Oepto as town block me into voting me?

He's scum.

[Titus]

*into voting him

[Titus]

He doesn't want you to break the sub

So, he wants to lynch Diamond then?

[Titus]

*shrug* I mean he just said he wants pressure on Dimond so that's what I'm assuming you can ask him yourself aswell

Why do you not believe the mason claim (when matt and jeff are brothers none the less I thought that'd be obv)

You lynched obvtown for starters

[Titus]

Well shit, Grey is scum. I am sorry for defending him.

[Titus]

I forgive you. Let's find scum in Raw while we can.

[Titus]

I'm not going to congratulate you on the win, Grey, because you won it with a shitty tactic.

And don't say I'm petty. I congratulated LLD on a good win in Machina and Cerb with a fantastic win in SaGa. Your play is nauseating.

DS, how do you determine shitty town from scum?

Why shouldn't I view this as scum theatre?

[Titus]

Pepto, who do you think they are?

[Titus]

Ogi ish?

Out of game ish?

[Titus]

Thank you.

I love protecting my teammates, regardless of alignment.

Zefiend was worried about lack of distance.

[Titus]

I wanted to claim that I wasn't as bothered by you lynching Creature in post game but I didn't know if the mod was going to flip us.

[Titus]

I am best when I can craft a narrative. Ty.

My buddies played into things quite well.

[Titus]

My town and scum games are going to pose problems for each other now though.

[Titus]

Kuroi, feedback tip: Always give the scum the town wincon. If I had not known it, I would have been fucked early on.

[Titus]

Kuroi, feedback tip: Always give the scum the town wincon. If I had not known it, I would have been fucked early on.

Noted.

Everyone else, if you'd like to be awesome and give me your opinion, that'd be great.

1. Did you enjoy yourself? How much so on a scale of 1-10?
2. What am I doing right? (This would help so I can continue doing it.)
3. What am I doing wrong? (So I know to stop doing it.)
4. Would you like a sequel to this game?

Thank you!

1) 8. 1 point off due to my RL. 1 point off due to what I mentioned. Very well done. Enjoyment depends as much on players as mod.
2-3) Will pm you tomorrow.
4) yes.
5) Reserved until Raw end.

[Titus]

Can i see dead chat?

[Titus]

Ty. Gn.

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How many power town had? They needed some trackers and possibly cops considering the chance of there being four scum.

Town had masons, kt, iai, plus DS at least versus a rolecop. Town was pretty stacked. It was my ace in the hole if DS got cold feet was to talk about gane balance.