Newbie 1769: Happy New Year! (Post-Game)

[Raskolnikov]

I wish I had actual meta on some of you guys

I mean cmon I sign up to newbies for ez reads ez wins not whatever this game turned into

[Raskolnikov]

hey matt you can save time by just linking to post numbers with the post tags

quotewalling is pretty inefficient

[cassielle]

lol im new here and even i can see this is a mess

i have a feeling if we could pinpoint the exact trouble post that started the mess we could end the game

ive tried a couple times but i cant pull it off, it all blends in on the first 7 pages or thereabouts

[Raskolnikov]

Hey RC can you go into your schadd townread pls thanks

[cassielle]

Hey RC can you go into your schadd townread pls thanks

also really want to hear this

[cassielle]

been rereading mbg ISO while i wait. rask, you realize he metad you with intent to lynch you before you could get confirmed yeah?

so he pushed with that confident, venomous tone on TWO conftown slots, rask and TB, and also pushed on -grey- yesterday citing other people's work and "no im pretty sure this is totally scum guys" i mean look at 1312 -- and RC now?

if this argument isnt the best one ive ever heard i think im gonna end up dismissing it tbh, this is a recurring aspect and its ALL going on either conftown slots or my strong townreads rofl

[mattblackguy]

320
Schadd lies here, and says his team mate would be a bad lynch, because he's active and trying to scumhunt when he only had 7 real posts, and most of those posts like contained basic questions about the game. Really since when is 7/320 posts active and scumhunting? This is just a blatant lie.

Shade saw there was a ton of pressure on Schadd with him being at L-2, and had no idea how to react so he just flaked.

RC comes into the game immediately and calls Schadd obvious town. (Cass even asked RC why Schadd is obvious town but he never answered)

Scared of his teammate getting hammered day 1 RC just goes and hammers TB. RC knows if his teammate is hammered on the first day he'll be at a severe disadvantage, and would probably lose since he just called his teammate an obvious townie.

RC starts off day trying to push a lynch on Cass. Then changes to Creature because he feels it gives him a better chance at winning.

His whole case on Creature was that he was deflecting, and disengaged from the game. Yeah, well where? I don't see Creature deflecting anywhere. This is just RC posting BS to try to get Creature lynched. Of course he won't post a real case on Creature because he has none.

Seriously Creature is town, and when Creature flips town it will not help town at all, because we gain no knowledge at all from this lynch. Only thing lynching Creature does is help RC deflect the lynch to either Grey/Cass tomorrow.

ps. cass good job sheeping scum for the majority of day 2.

[cassielle]

wrt 320: at that point in time shade was semi active in short bursts. not continuously no, but the bursts of activity were consistent and i can see the scumhunting there. remember that shade joined very late -- iirc, after rakkar. it was a weak but widely agreed upon townread, even from me.

wrt the hammer: i can see that, but it would also be textbook bad scumplay: everyone was saying WE WILL LYNCH HAMMERERS, and if RC flipped town schadd_ would be next up without even a shred of doubt! unsupported townread from confscum? lynch it. thats always a safe bet.

creature's d2 ISO is full of sheeping and deflection of attention (off of me which is cool but still) and creature's talking about a schadd_ townflip being helpful is really ugly when it definitely would not be helpful and you shouldnt lynch someone youre not very very sure of flipping red

not buying this, gonna keep my vote where it is

[Raskolnikov]

So uhhhh

what was the eureka moment? right when you called the scumteam? what sold it for you?

I think you did at least most of this analysis just now

[cassielle]

EBWOP and if RC flipped scum***** schadd_ would be next up

[cassielle]

in fact im going to go out and say that the point about the hammering makes this scumteam a no-sell for me

i do not believe it for a second, it would be actively playing against wincon and anyone on town's side assuming anything else ranges from WIFOM to outright ignorance of the way the game is played

[mattblackguy]

He had to hammer if he wanted to win. If someone came in and hammered Schadd he would be tracked that night and lynched the next day. He had no choice. He dug himself in a hole saying that Schadd is obvious town and the only way out of it was to hammer ThinkBig.

[cassielle]

no way, he could have bussed schadd_ if he was that sure schadd_ wasnt going to get out of that lynch. call intent to hammer, when schadd_ flips red you coast to endgame. nope. refuse to buy, no sale, sorry

[RadiantCowbells]

Or I could have literally done fucking anything besides what I did.

[cassielle]

in fact im so vehemently against this argument that im gonna say it outright: if one of the two is scum the other is town. i cannot accept this scumteam, its so contrary to what i know about the game that to assume its a remotely possible scumteam requires ignoring wincons entirely. in such a case reads are impossible, the game is thrown

i insist mbg is the best wagon of all wagons and wholeheartedly present it to the town as confscum

feast

[mattblackguy]

If RC has a history of bussing then him hammering Schadd wouldn't let him coast to end game. It would be 1v8 uphill battle.

[cassielle]

he has no such thing, iirc its against his meta. but thank you for destroying your own argument

[-Grey-]

If RC has a history of bussing then him hammering Schadd wouldn't let him coast to end game. It would be 1v8 uphill battle.

If he didn't have a history of bussing, you'd use that against him too!

I'm calling bullshit.

[mattblackguy]

Lol cass why are you lying for RC?

[Raskolnikov]

this is a sidenote but you're not quite right on the hammer thing cass
losing scumpartner d1 in matrix6 is terrible, worth risking a lot to avoid, and someone like rc probably has a reasonable expectation they get investigated too even with hammering scum
in fact if rc bussed he'd probably get lynched later because he's well known to bus lol, him hard townreading would actually be less expected than bussing

of course that's speculation, though I could say I'd probably just hammer there too if I were scum
onto claimed VT and lurker like thinkbig too it isn't a hammer people frown on, people dislike hammering unclaimed people or if its too early in the day but that was neither

[Raskolnikov]

If RC has a history of bussing then him hammering Schadd wouldn't let him coast to end game. It would be 1v8 uphill battle.

where did you hear this from though?

[Raskolnikov]

also

So uhhhh

what was the eureka moment? right when you called the scumteam? what sold it for you?

I think you did at least most of this analysis just now

[cassielle]

my bad on the bussing, i thought i read that it was against his meta, was just looking for the post but folks have corrected me since. right, sorry

-grey-'s counterargument to that STILL flattens yours mbg

[mattblackguy]

where did you hear this from though?

It was said by someone earlier in the game.

[cassielle]

and i did not know this rask, i know how matrix6 is set up but not any of the meta surrounding it. /regardless/ this out of the blue push on rc is really pinging me so hard and the argument is so /weak/