Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony - At The End(GAME OVER)

[Fro99er]

Spoiler: this is a ctrl+f of every mention of pine in Yoshi's iso

Holy shit, drealmerz is in this?

*ISOs*

That's a scum ISO from drealmerz. I've been playing a lot with him, and I'm calling it. He joins the scumbloc.

Anything scummy you can point out in particular?

{Transcend, Gerryoat}

{Elena Fisher, Pine}

{Jaack, PV, Alisae}

{LemonTree, drealmerz7, Gamma Emerald, Ramcius/Clumsy}

{PenguinPower}

{Manuel87, kuror0}

{ConManMick, ironstove, Pepchoninga}

I stole your rainbow reads Transcend. XD

Yeah, Iron, you being on V/LA has nothing to do with it. Nice try.

^^^^
Just my thought as I read it. I luv you Pine <3.

While I go dig and do #research
from what I heard, he does a lot more tunneling and posts a lot more.
Like he becomes a PL lynch basicly. I'll go get some games tho, but I think Pine might have some better examples since I think he played with drealmerz a bit more.

You want to see one of drealmerz's games?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68819

you basically scumread your whole wagon correct

I caught up, here's what I think so far:

mafia:

pine - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8726248
elena fisher - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8727384
transcend - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8727931
alise - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8725864, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8730331
clumsy - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8730311

town:

jack
conmanmick
kuror0
dream
PeregrineV
bigyoshifan
pepchoninga

null:

ramcius
gerryoat
fro99er
cabd

I'm acting out of pure memory here, but it seems like you are SR most that were on your wagon. Lol, this makes zero sense.

*scoffs*

Oh yeah someone asked for updated reads
{Clumsy, me}
{Iron, Trans, Garry, Frogger, Pere}
{Elena, Mick, Manuel, Pep}
{Yoshi, Cabd}
{Gamma, kuror0}
{Drealmerz}
{Jaack, Pine}

Clum do you like this readlist?

pedit: Fine, I'll settle for that Trans
VOTE: Jaack

Awwww, how'd I go down? Is it because I still haven't finished reading. I'll finish tomorrow (probably).

I don't remember much about Pine. I townread him early for his posts, that's about all I remember.
I'll look, okay?

I would like these reasons explained.

So would I

@Pine @Yoshi explain up

Well, I thought the context in which he claimed wouldn't make sense for scum to do.
Claiming that his mason could be known by how he's interacted seemed towny.
Also, I think I might know the mason. Just a hunch, not sure.

[kuror0]

Is it my imagination or is this going to tun in a role fish fest? Why don't we just lynch Alisae? I've seen many people either scumread or doubt her alignment yet no one wants to go there. Talk about wagon resistance.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm not, but I don't feel very confident in giving reads now.
I still TR him, but to a lesser extent.
Some posts I like in particular:
828 - especially for the last sentence
1119 - attempting to make a town block without putting himself in it
1127 - I like reads from this PoV. I don't think scum would try to make reads like this either.
1518 - I like this, mainly because I agree with it.
I like his overall... cockiness... if that makes sense? In context, when he says "Yeah this is caught scum." It gives me a tone read.

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay, fine you whiner.

If I was a vigi and I had 2 bullets and I was in a room with gerry, hitler, and stalin, I would shoot gerry twice.

Do setups like this usually hit majority on D1? Anyway I hard claim not mafia. Remove your lynches.

Haven't really been reading the game, I'm kinda low-effort towning it while there are this many players in the game because it's hard to formulate reads, but please continue posting and don't let me be a distraction.

These three posts stand out as not especially Town-motivated. I joined in the Iron wagon for three reasons - first, the above amounts to a weak scumread. Second, my TRs all/mostly were thinking the same thing. Third, a flashwagon can help pressure someone to react, which you did. My weak scumread is now a pretty lockscum read because you've reacted TERRIBLE to getting some votes on you. Seriously, Town just doesn't hyperobsess with arguing the minutia of their wagon, they fight it by acting Town. That weaksauce attack on Pep was a clear attempt to divert attention away from you. Your attempts to deflect suspicion back onto me, then to dismiss me as an idiot. Then continuing to hyperfocus on yourself.

Yeah, it all points to scum!Iron

Sorry, caught is caught.

Also, I think reads like this are hard to fake as scum. Even in multiball, when he refers to his TR's and who they read, diverting attention, and the flaws in his play, it just all reads to me as towny.

[Fro99er]

I don't remember much about Pine. I townread him early for his posts, that's about all I remember.
I'll look, okay?

Okay, fine you whiner.

If I was a vigi and I had 2 bullets and I was in a room with gerry, hitler, and stalin, I would shoot gerry twice.

Do setups like this usually hit majority on D1? Anyway I hard claim not mafia. Remove your lynches.

Haven't really been reading the game, I'm kinda low-effort towning it while there are this many players in the game because it's hard to formulate reads, but please continue posting and don't let me be a distraction.

These three posts stand out as not especially Town-motivated. I joined in the Iron wagon for three reasons - first, the above amounts to a weak scumread. Second, my TRs all/mostly were thinking the same thing. Third, a flashwagon can help pressure someone to react, which you did. My weak scumread is now a pretty lockscum read because you've reacted TERRIBLE to getting some votes on you. Seriously, Town just doesn't hyperobsess with arguing the minutia of their wagon, they fight it by acting Town. That weaksauce attack on Pep was a clear attempt to divert attention away from you. Your attempts to deflect suspicion back onto me, then to dismiss me as an idiot. Then continuing to hyperfocus on yourself.

Yeah, it all points to scum!Iron

Sorry, caught is caught.

Also, I think reads like this are hard to fake as scum. Even in multiball, when he refers to his TR's and who they read, diverting attention, and the flaws in his play, it just all reads to me as towny.

Yeah Yoshi is scum. That's super easy to fake as town, and if you were town you'd be more paranoid about this

[Fro99er]

It's super easy to fake a read as scum where your reasons are:

1. I had a slight scumread
2. My TRs are on my slight scumread
3. a flashwagon helps go!

then after the fact saying he reacted terribly to his wagon. Town can be defensive too and maybe that was just town!iron trying to scumhunt pep, but instead he just throws shade on a possible town!iron

this is super easy to fake as scum.

[BigYoshiFan]

Look, I need to take some more time.
I'm feeling pressured and that doesn't result in good play from me.
Looking over that read I made... it looks like shit, I admit it. I'm still not objecting to my Pine TR however.
There is very little doubt in my mind that fro99er is also town.
I'll probably be here Wednesday and intermittently from thereafter until the weekend.

Don't take this opportunity to say I'm being dramatic or faking this either. If you think I'm scum, lynch me.

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: bigyoshifan

[Jaack]

Catching up....

So Clumsy claimed mason? Yeah, not exactly buying it without a second partner. Even with two scumteams, they can't coordinate which mason to kill, so they could easily both end up shooting the same one, which would be a big bonus for town.

So yeah, I'd prefer the 'partner' to claim today. And I'd still prefer a Clumsy lynch.

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That being said, I'm not overly confident that town will agree with me and lynch Clumsy.
My number 2 lynch at this point would probably be drealmerz. You know how old drealmerz' alisae vote is? Post 5. Dude is coasting on reads from the beginning of the game and doesn't really seem to be making any effort to figuring anything out, excusing it with a preference for observation on D1.

As far as the yoshi wagon, I've had mixed feelings there all game. I thought that his pursuit of pepcho looked like scum trying to trip up lynchbait and his ironstove vote is pretty bad too...

But I think it's notably townie that he's concerned himself with players who were kind of off the radar like kuror and drealmerz. I feel like town are far more likely to take deeper looks at relatively ignored slots, so I'm hesitant on scumreading him because of that.

[gerryoat]

If you think I'm scum, lynch me.

VOTE: bigyoshifan

[gerryoat]

You know how old drealmerz' alisae vote is? Post 5. Dude is coasting on reads from the beginning of the game and doesn't really seem to be making any effort to figuring anything out, excusing it with a preference for observation on D1.

lmao let me iso him real quick, no way has he kept his rvs vote that long, i refuse to believe 2500+ posts

[drealmerz7]

it wasn't RVS, duh

[drealmerz7]

that's just how good I am at catching the scums

you'll see

[gerryoat]

He claimed mason with someone who wasnt in the game at the time on RVS and you fos him for that?? Why havent your reads progressed at all. All you did was say "lynch alisae or transcend!!!" no real reads outside of that or who you lean slightly on

[gerryoat]

VOTE: drealmerz

I refuse to believe town's reads dont progress like that. At least last game when you were town, your reads were bad but they progressed a bit

[drealmerz7]

what's wrong, gerry? can't solve the game without me?

[drealmerz7]

and so I must be scum why?

[Fro99er]

ew to gerry's sheep

[gerryoat]

On the topic of Yoshi, I'm on the fence on voting him. Since Dreal seems to be hoping onto it, they could be different scum teams idk. I want to hear from Transcend and PV what they think about BYF comparing from wordplay maf game and this one.

[gerryoat]

ew to gerry's sheep

ISO him. I was scared to before cause i know he was bad. but how tf do you keep a vote the same through #5 post and not progress from anything at all

[gerryoat]

what's wrong, gerry? can't solve the game without me?

i'm not even sure what this means. lol

[drealmerz7]

easy

find scum

stick to scum

[drealmerz7]

i'm not even sure what this means. lol

you're complaining that I'm not helping/contributing

you must need my assistance

[Fro99er]

ew to gerry's sheep

ISO him. I was scared to before cause i know he was bad. but how tf do you keep a vote the same through #5 post and not progress from anything at all

Right, but that's your only reason? And it's a reason Clumsy and Jaack have now brought up. You're literally sheeping and have no other case on dreal.

[gerryoat]

VOTE: alisae

not RVS

you don't need to make so many posts, alisae

please keep the clutter down in a large game

thank you for reminding me about the normal guidelines, I'm not used to that, however your attitude is not appreciated

dreal, can you at least out a reads list or something. It feels weird that after 2600+ posts you focus on Alisae and Transcend and do nothing else. You've given no reads on anyone else practically