So, why does it make any difference who you were directing that comment to, then?In post 397, boring wrote:I'm not sure what you're saying I'm saying.In post 388, -Grey- wrote:Are you suggesting that your treatment of non-replacement catch-ups depends on the person rereading the game? Because that's not the way your post originally read.In post 376, boring wrote:That quote you quoted was lobbed at FancyPants, by the way.
I was saying that I've never seen town summarize a game they're already in unless prompted by request. I've definitely seen scum do it, though. From a scum buddy, I've had it explained that it makes you look like you're trying to solve the game.
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You've actually got a point. the "can we lynch this already?" line is something lazy town and scum use a lot to look like they're pushing. Right or wrong, pushes give town-cred, right?In post 391, mozamis wrote:
No. I am sick of these rushed lynches, they ALWAYS end up in a mislynch. Why are you in such a rush anyway?In post 362, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Can we just lynch King already?
Maybe his vote on Ali was opportunistic. But I want to hear more from him before we just quick lynch him.
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You seem really definite about this. How confident are you? I can see him being a bit suspect maybe. But you seemed to have gone onto overdrive on him.In post 361, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Doesn't change the fact that you're scum.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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Speaking of FancyPants...
@mod: please prod“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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So do you think Uzi is scum?In post 366, Empking wrote:You're lying.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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I guess it doesn't. I had him in mind when I said it, so in my head, it was directed at him. It's curious that you took it to heart as being about you *queue Carly Simon*.In post 400, -Grey- wrote:
So, why does it make any difference who you were directing that comment to, then?In post 397, boring wrote:
I'm not sure what you're saying I'm saying.In post 388, -Grey- wrote:
Are you suggesting that your treatment of non-replacement catch-ups depends on the person rereading the game? Because that's not the way your post originally read.In post 376, boring wrote:That quote you quoted was lobbed at FancyPants, by the way.
I was saying that I've never seen town summarize a game they're already in unless prompted by request. I've definitely seen scum do it, though. From a scum buddy, I've had it explained that it makes you look like you're trying to solve the game.
So is this a tunnel? I feel like you're not asking really productive questions. I mean, sure, we're interacting, but it just seems like you're asking the wrong questions for someone trying to get a read. It's more like you're trying to find chinks in my armor. As if I'm some huge townread that you need to knock down a little.
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What are insinuating with this? Do you seriously suspect her as scum?In post 373, -Grey- wrote:Why? You don't strike me as the type to handle scumspects with kid gloves, so your behavior isn't matching up with this post.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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That's a misrepresentation of my posts. I never "took it to heart as being about" me. I was asking why you had behavior that is inconsistent with your stated belief.In post 405, boring wrote:I guess it doesn't. I had him in mind when I said it, so in my head, it was directed at him. It's curious that you took it to heart as being about you *queue Carly Simon*.
A question you've never really answered, btw.“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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It's not a tunnel. It's an examination.In post 405, boring wrote:So is this a tunnel? I feel like you're not asking really productive questions. I mean, sure, we're interacting, but it just seems like you're asking the wrong questions for someone trying to get a read. It's more like you're trying to find chinks in my armor. As if I'm some huge townread that you need to knock down a little.
I townread you quickly on my initial read through because of a theory. That theory was undermined after my reread which suggested a different, conflicting theory that makes it impossible for both theories to be true.
So, I have to figure out not only which theory is more likely to be true, but what that means about the players involved in the faulty theory.“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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Okay, You're driving at something, and I'm clearly missing what it is, because I feel like I've answered in so much detail that it's practically derailed the game. Please rephrase your question. You don't have to quote if you can't, being that you're phone-posting, but express your question clearly. Specifically, I need you to define the "behavior" and the "stated belief" for me.In post 408, -Grey- wrote:
That's a misrepresentation of my posts. I never "took it to heart as being about" me. I was asking why you had behavior that is inconsistent with your stated belief.In post 405, boring wrote:I guess it doesn't. I had him in mind when I said it, so in my head, it was directed at him. It's curious that you took it to heart as being about you *queue Carly Simon*.
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No, you've misunderstood i think. She said he was obvious as scum in his FIRST game as scum. But in GENERAL is clever. Implying over time he could develop into a decent scum player. That's what I got from it, anyway.In post 379, -Grey- wrote:So, he's obvious as scum, but he's also "cleverer than he gets credit for".
Yeah. That's not contradictory at all.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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If this is true, I don't see why you'd keep such a non-committal vote on Empking after I, a player you were already suspicious is, not only reread the game but came back from that reread with a totally different read on my former top scumspect.In post 194, boring wrote:@Toffee, I don't like summary posts from people who aren't sub-ins. It creates an illusion of participation, and it's pretty close to solidifying as a scumtell for me. So is an immediate "yup, you're town" when you voice concern about that player. It seems aimed to appease.
If post 194 was true, I'd have expected more than a couple half-hearted questions.
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Spoiler: The interaction in question“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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@ boring - check out BBT's p188
Notice the way he doesnt sheep Hawk for town reading Fitz - to me, he gives the impression of someone who is thinking for himself, making his own judgements. Scum i think would be much more inclined just to sheep here i think.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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Curious for other people's opinions too.In post 320, SnarkySnowman wrote:Hey Grey, if I said BBT was scum, would you buy it at all?-
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Curious for your answer to my questionIn post 415, SnarkySnowman wrote:
Curious for other people's opinions too.In post 320, SnarkySnowman wrote:Hey Grey, if I said BBT was scum, would you buy it at all?“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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Okay, Grey, I think I finally understand your question. You want to know why I've been so easy on you when I've clearly noticed issues with your play, and have clearly scumread you at some points. Because I'm getting a feel for you. I've also been doing a lot of fishing for things I can use as anchors later.
I've not hard pushed anyone yet, and I haven't seen anyone I've been really ready to lynch. You included. There's no inconsistency between my stated beliefs and my behaviors when you consider that I'm still investigating. I never said, "come on everyone, I've caught scum here, let's light this mo'fo' up like it's Walmart". I've just bumbled along.
For example, I pointed out that your activity at the moment was more likely to be scum-motivated than Snarky's absence. I was looking to see what kind of response I'd get from the player voting Snarky for that reason. I was ignored. That's data. I'm throwing things out there, and trying to produce/gather as much info as I can, so I/we can use it to pin down scum. Committing you to either discuss or stick to your read on Alisae is far more important in the long run than harassing you in the moment. Especially when I'm still working to solidify reads. Honestly, if it wasn't for the benefit of voting for reactions, I'd not have placed a vote yet.
My very first game of mafia, this point was driven home for me: "behavior isn't alignment indicative, only motivation". While that infuriated me at the time, being stuck as scum my very first game, it's incredibly useful to remember while scum hunting.
So you next question might be, "where's the follow up, then?" To which I've already replied in a previous post, "give me time."
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Maybe, but I feel like that's a bit of a stretch, if you're defending BBT as town.In post 414, mozamis wrote:@ boring - check out BBT's p188
Notice the way he doesnt sheep Hawk for town reading Fitz - to me, he gives the impression of someone who is thinking for himself, making his own judgements. Scum i think would be much more inclined just to sheep here i think.-
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Sweet, I managed to cut the wall before my browser froze.In post 376, boring wrote:
I'm not sure what's not to understand. I want to lock you into your statement.In post 374, -Grey- wrote:
After all the questioning you've done of Alisae, the bolded doesn't fit.In post 333, boring wrote:
And that something shuffled him from top scum read to top town read that quickly? It must have been one incredible something. I suppose that meansIn post 331, -Grey- wrote:I saw something that made me believe that Alisae is town that I had written off on the initial read through.
Seems pretty obvious.we can look to you to help defend Alisae, should he find himself under serious fire any time soon.
I'm not getting your use of the collective "we" because according to my understanding of the game, there is no "we" between you and Alisae and I don't get why you'd use that term in that situation otherwise.“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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In post 420, boring wrote:It's just the way I speak when I'm being a touch condescending, I suppose. Like "are we feeling well?" and "we're going to need you to sit down, now, sweetie." I think it's pretty normal for old ladies like me.Maybe, except... why would you look to me to help defend someone you've been questioning?
Why do you assume that I would defend someone simply because I townread them? What gives you the basis for that belief?“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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In post 165, Antihuman wrote:He's just said he'll post some insight tomorrow though.
Is the basis for your vote her not voting?
If so, why did you choose her and not LUV?
If not, what are the other reasons?
Do you usually prefer to join existing wagons or create them?In post 367, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
- Right here, you tried. No one asked you why you were voting for him, you were asked why you FoS'd everyone who wasn't voting.In post 200, Empking wrote:
That's no excuse. Throwing away pressure is only pro-scum.In post 158, Alisae wrote:
Why?In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8716281#p8716281]post 156[/url], Empking wrote:In post 142, tojam2 wrote:NV (5) - BlueBloodedToffee, Alisae, Antihuman, SnarkySnowman, Lil Uzi VertFOS: Everyone n this list
I unvoted so that I could reread and re-evaluate the game.
Why Al over LUV? Gut or arbitrariness, it could have gone either way but I leant a little to Al. I didn't even notice the wagon, as hard as that is to believe, as the huge numbers of not voters stood out to me and I immediately reacted.
I usually prefer joining wagons - all else be equal - but my priority with two weeks to go is my biggest scum read.
This is another lie. I have never said that my vote was put on Ali for mason-hunting. You've just quoted my explanation for her obver LUV. owever, with your constant lying, then you're still getting beaten by Ali for Mason-hunting.- Now you're voting Ali for mason hunting? Bullshit, he wasn't accused of that earlier.
This is arguing semantics. "You didn't say scummy, you said wrong-with"!- That's not even the original question you asked. You asked what was wrong with your jump on Ali and I said it was suspicious. I didn't state anything wrong with your jump beforehand so I never even repeated myself. Regardless, it's me explaining why I voted you for your jump on Ali. Your dislike of it doesn't mean it isn't valid.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Well first off, boring's vote on King wasn't naked. Second, while she didn't follow up with questions for him, she did try to understand all of my points and even asked for an alternative which I assume was incase she wasn't satisfied with my answer. Her vote for him may not scream town but it sure doesn't feel scummy to me.
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Null. I think he has good intentions with his questions but his call for a Fitz lynch doesn't sit well with me.In post 382, boring wrote:What are people thinking about BlueBloodedToffee?
I'm not in a rush. I just hate long days, especially when I strongly feel like I've caught scum.In post 391, mozamis wrote:
No. I am sick of these rushed lynches, they ALWAYS end up in a mislynch. Why are you in such a rush anyway?In post 362, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Can we just lynch King already?
Maybe his vote on Ali was opportunistic. But I want to hear more from him before we just quick lynch him.
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