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Post Post #2775 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:10 pm

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In post 2772, JaeReed wrote: 3.) No, I'm not asking you to compare right now. I want an answer to my question. [Does this mean you weren't super confident on me being scum in trials?]

2.) You seemed confident on BATORU being scum that game. Were you not?

1.) And no, that wasn't a hydra in the end. It was only me because Impoetic flaked on me like start of D3.
1.) even so, my brain does not have the associatives in place and so I can't make associatives between your performance here and that one - it's two different entities in my brain and the way I process will keep them that way, I exprienced it a certain way and I can't re-wire that

2.) I seemed confident in it? can you quote anywhere to show me where you thought I was confident? I had a tenuous SR on Batoru most of the game - the pings were always evident since the beginning but it was never anything hard enough for me to push you as my top SR and there were plenty of townpings to go with, I certainly didn't focus on you as much as I should have and to me that indicates less confidence - once it came to end-game and I knew it was 2/3 of batoru, pk, and BTD6, well, I still voted BTD6 over you and was wrong, even when I became more confident in the end that I was wrong on him and that it was you + pk, it wasn't enough to switch the push, and wouldn't call it "confident", just relative confidence.

3.) interesting switch from super-confiden to confident when you re-ask the question, have I answered sufficiently for you? if you do provide a link to the perceived confidence, I can likely elaborate what I was thinking at the specific time of purporting said seeming confidence (do note that I also often seem more confident than I actually am, it's called arguing techniques I learned in speech 101 in college I think? maybe it was a more advanced course in philosphy? I don't remember!)
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Post Post #2776 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:27 pm

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In post 2767, The DEO wrote:Have you considered Drealmerz being an SK? His behavior isn't protown, but I have never seen a vig claim be groupscum in years if ever. His replies at the start of this day did not seem like groupscum.
Oh god. Ugh. How about we lynch zefiend or Vax, then come back to this once we have a better idea of how many kills are flying about at night?
In post 2774, drealmerz7 wrote:so I will likely be shooting The DEO if we don't lynch them
You're getting tunnelvision. I've seen a fair bit of Math outside of Mafia games and I know for a fact they aren't a terrible person who would be willing to pull the kind of bullshit you've suggesting scum!Math would to have pulled here. If you shoot DEO, people will want to lynch you tomorrow. That is, if they don't lynch you today for threatening to shoot DEO.
Here's a better plan: you kill whichever one of zefiend/Vax is still alive at the end of today, saving us from having to lynch them tomorrow. We also decide your night 4 shot today, meaning that if they're scum then the scumteam will be forced to kill you tonight.
Sound like a better idea?
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Post Post #2777 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:35 pm

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you don't get to decide fuck all about anything I do with my role

don't even begin to go there

I am not from MS

I will NOT be directed

if you want to lynch me for playing my role HOW IT SHOULD BE PLAYED AND ACTUALLY SERVES TOWN

then you are going to get a fucking lecture on how to play mafia

you want that right now or you want to take a vote?
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Post Post #2778 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:36 pm

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if the role was "accumulate popular opinion and use your vig. shot lalalal" THAT WOULD BE THE FUCKING ROLE

it's not

do NOT GET ME STARTED OMFG
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Post Post #2779 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:36 pm

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I'll gladly listen to input
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Post Post #2780 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:56 pm

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Dreal, I'm the one person hardtownreading you here and willing to work with you, so I'd appreciate if you listened to my input.

If you choose to shoot The DEO:
  • A protective role will likely protect them, because they are widely townread, and so you'll waste a shot.
  • You will be lynched tomorrow because no one has a reason to believe you're town.
If you shoot whichever one of zefiend/Vax is left alive:
  • No one will protect them because they're going to be lynched anyway, which means your shot will go through unless scum have a doctor.
  • You spare us the trouble of having to lynch them tomorrow.
  • You prove you're willing to work with town and probably won't be lynched that day.
I get that you have your own scumreads that you'd rather shoot, but can you see why I'm suggesting this and why it's important?
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Post Post #2781 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:04 pm

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In post 2440, drealmerz7 wrote: nothing more to comment on

lynch pool is 3: BTD6, pk, BAT
and will remain the same group until they are all gone
and I think that's a win
can we get on it?
I felt like you were certain enough there.

The reason for me asking was to see if the difference between then and here meant anything. There despite your scumread on me you kept trying to engage me and basically plead your case rather than strong push that scum was pushing for your mislynch. I wanted to gauge the difference between here and there with your responses to Frozen Angel.

Point 3 is semantics btw. I just had a wording change while trying to communicate to you in a way I thought you'd be able to understand.
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Post Post #2782 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:15 pm

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postie, just worry about what happens when it happens, K?

I hear you
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Post Post #2783 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:24 pm

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JR, to me, games are different beasts - yes, I might have fundamental ways about what I think about the game and how it is best played, but that is a very small base from which I launch. I don't go into a game with a method of much of anything, I use intuition and insight and find whatever works best for each beast.

Some games are fucking dragons and to take them on I gotta be an equal beast in how I "go at" it. Other games are sick bunnies and I kind of don't know what to do with them and just kind of poke around at them a bit uncomfortably - many games you don't even know the beast for a while, and then it shifts on you as the game goes, and must be treated accordingly

it's all circumstantial, so you trying to get a read on me based on comparing how approach things is not really serving, imo

now, now that I've established that, I'm willing to allow you to discover that for yourself, and will try and best answer whatever questions you have about this/game that game and how I was there and all that (again, not great to use YOU as a reference point since it's not associated in my head) but the game and myself are great things to use/talk about if you want to try and understand ME more and get a read that way
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Post Post #2784 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:31 pm

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I'm seeing the same vax in this game that I saw in Ttyll, I think that is just his level of play and it makes me uncomfortable to vote him for it unless something more glaring appears

zefiend I don't really know what to make of kind of just seems like a bad/desperate player at this point, I can't see scum in much of what he's doing, it reads scummy vendetta of somesort or MAYBE it is scum afraid of that slots supposed skills? but then why go at them, I figure he'd stay away if that were the case? it's a weird read

and with DEO and FA going at me for the contrived shits they have come up with (the deo more than anything) - I'm comfortable scum-reading them for the reasons I've given already - tell me why my view on that is wrong? (mostly that the DEO is desperate to have me seen as scum and is trying to find any avenue to allow that to happen)
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Post Post #2785 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:36 pm

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In post 2776, Postie wrote:I've seen a fair bit of Math outside of Mafia games and I know for a fact they aren't a terrible person who would be willing to pull the kind of bullshit you've suggesting scum!Math would to have pulled here.
Referring to pantsgate.

As for FA; you should take a look at Creeps' ISO. He was bleeding newbtown.
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Post Post #2786 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:38 pm

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that is not what it read to me at all
I don't think he's as noob as he appears at all

ugh to arguments that say "look at the ISO"

point me to aquote and make your case please
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Post Post #2787 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:43 pm

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In post 374, Creeps20 wrote:I have no clue what the sunburn ability is and it seemed to be used early on. It doesn't seem to have done anything. So I think it is a scum ability as most town abilities are doc and Vigilante. And I don't see a player using doc like that.
Newbtown role logic.
In post 1090, Creeps20 wrote:Yes that is starting to annoy me.

Well I will Bandwagon for now. But if I see anything fishy about this I am off
Newbtown suspicion.
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Post Post #2788 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:10 pm

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that can be faked so easily and they don't really sound that genuine

which is mostly what I remember about that slot, that it sounded like he was trying to fakenoob it
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Post Post #2789 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:12 pm

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he went to lurkworld hardcore and we just lost sight of him and things have been so focused elsewhere he's been forgotten, until FA came around, which seemed to be a great boon at first, but, now I'm definitely not feeling that and just getting scumpings a good deal
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Post Post #2790 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:13 pm

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dreal, you played with creeps in Aero's game, how does that compare for you?
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Post Post #2791 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:15 pm

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I really don't see newbscum making the "if I see anything fishy about this I am off" comment. It implies suspicion with the kind of subtlety I wouldn't expect newbscum to have mastered, especially given how awkward the rest of his posting is.
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Post Post #2792 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:16 pm

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smith, your posting isn't what I remember from town!you. Talk to me?
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Post Post #2793 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:16 pm

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similar lack of passion and interest that is mostly hard to read that would have needed a growing exposure to grow the read better

also still relatively new to the game but way more of a grasp to it than what postie is giving him credit for
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Post Post #2794 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:17 pm

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In post 2791, Postie wrote:I really don't see newbscum making the "if I see anything fishy about this I am off" comment. It implies suspicion with the kind of subtlety I wouldn't expect newbscum to have mastered, especially given how awkward the rest of his posting is.
that is not any sort of "mastery" AT ALL as I see it
that's like, basic scum101 positioning
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Post Post #2795 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:18 pm

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done really poorly, that actually really reads noobscum more than anything

thanks for pointing it out!
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Post Post #2796 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:20 pm

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also you were with him in Ircher's game, where he made 3 posts, bailed, and then got endgamed
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

it seems this isn't especially AI behavior for him? i believe his only scum game on MS was http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
where he was, for a lack of a better word, obvious. So I kinda feel like he'd be obvscum here too. Maybe he has day chat, maybe he's gotten coached really well, but it just seems like occam's razor here would suggest that if he's scum, he probably screwed up somewhere pretty explicitly.
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8412445 was fake as hell
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8412626 was bad
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8416175 was bad
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8420474 was an awkward OMGUS while trying to call out OMGUS
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8425819 buddied me
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Post Post #2797 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:21 pm

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In post 2794, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 2791, Postie wrote:I really don't see newbscum making the "if I see anything fishy about this I am off" comment. It implies suspicion with the kind of subtlety I wouldn't expect newbscum to have mastered, especially given how awkward the rest of his posting is.
that is not any sort of "mastery" AT ALL as I see it
that's like, basic scum101 positioning
Not really. I'd expect newbscum to just get on and say why or stay off and say why, not... that. Idk but when I read it from a scum PoV and then a town PoV the town PoV wins out and I just can't for the life of me see how he's type that as scum.
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Post Post #2798 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:21 pm

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In post 2792, Postie wrote:smith, your posting isn't what I remember from town!you. Talk to me?
yeah, i've been lazy and basically backburnered the game. I do that from time to time but IIRC hadn't especially done it in games we've been together.

Trying to catch up tonight, we'll see where that goes.

Or were there posts in particular you didn't think were normal for me? My guess is it's just the inactivity but if there's something in particular you want to chat about let me know.
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Post Post #2799 (ISO) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:23 pm

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No I just want to see non-lazy posting from you. You usually obvtown really quickly and you're not doing that here and it's worrying.
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