I agree knowing my own card and how I'm reading lucca but explain your reasoning behind Revan to me?
No, you didn't townread Mozamis, and I shouldn't have said that. However, you didn't say anything about them beforehand, so ?In post 149, Hawk wrote:I'm still searching for where I townread mozamis since apparently I missed something the Sesq pointed out. I don't particularly find his content all that informative or thrilling.
TheLegend27 is town
Soft town leans on Magna, UD, and Lucca.
Scum leans on Mozamis and Sesq tho to be honest only one of the two is probably scum and I don't have enough content from Mozamis to assess but I'm not sure where Sesq thinks I was town reading him prior...
Null everyone else or if leans they're not super strong plus two lurkers. I would like to get some more people to give listing opinions so we can compare names. I'm sure Magna would appreciate this as well if I'm to understand his playstyle.
Pedit: thanks Doom. I don't really like the way you're playing but I guess it's not that scummy... I would rather us stay on a wagon longer so we can get some good back and forth with a person rather than the few posts from Sesq and FC.
Funny you should mention that... Sorry I haven't posted beyond 'hello everybody', I'm going to try and catch up, but it is difficult rn as I'm busy with wIn post 126, Revan wrote:This is going to be a hard time for lurkers, all you pro-activity guys and all.
I've almost established a framework for this game. These interactions are really, really SOUR.
How would this setup change the pace of the game and how would the pace of the game matter to MOI's lone post so far in the game?In post 28, Hawk wrote:Honestly the heavy evaluation of P1 by you [MOI] makes me actually think you're trying too hard if you want to know honestly. But I've never played nightless so it may just be the setup changing the pace of the game.
I use the word probably because while I don't exactly like sesq's read list overall I think it feels genuine as an attempt of analysis by town. So for me I don't see Sesq pushing Moz as a top scum lean along with me and them actually being a scum pair.In post 154, Ultimate Despair wrote:@Hawk: Why is Sesq and Mozamis impossible to be scum together?
Revan does not give the tiniest of fucks about who thinks what about him, and he pushes his own agenda. Not in the ostentatious "look at how uncaring I am way", nor in the sinister "I have an agenda with a team" way. He has a solo agenda and he cares more about it than about the opinions of others.
Wtf? You're null reading Lucca and TheLegend27 why?In post 153, Friend Computer wrote:Current reads:
Town Lean: Sesq, Hawk (playing aggressively and trying to get information out of me, I feel they are scumhunting)
Null Scum: Doom (for that little slip-up he made in the beginning), the lurkers (sort of meta)
Null read everyone else.
No, it was a serious vote based on his LAMIST setup posts.In post 157, havingfitz wrote:wrt post 57....sesq. Is your "official" vote on doom an RVS vote?
No, but my understanding was that this wincon was as a result of the scum nightkill, since there was no other possible outcome. Without nightkill, it's not really logical for that win condition to be in effect. I'm okay with a game where the rules are arbitrary, though.In post 157, havingfitz wrote:wrt post 29...doom...have any of your games on mafia had a scum wincon that did not include having an equal number of mafia to town?
Out of curiosity, why are you not asking me this? How is wgeurts supposed to know?wgeurt...how new is doomfeathers to mafia? Looks like he has ~5 games on site. Does he have any experience elsewhere?
There's no misrep here. You never stated any reason of the sort. You voted me because I voted you in RVS, then confirmed your vote without explanation.In post 161, Sesq wrote:No, it was a serious vote based on his LAMIST setup posts.In post 157, havingfitz wrote:wrt post 57....sesq. Is your "official" vote on doom an RVS vote?
Just stop with this misrepping.
I just realized that these are the only two posts Revan has made in which he actually states anything helpful. I'm not sure whether it's scummy, but his playstyle seems very odd.In post 162, Revan wrote:I do agree Doom's LAMIST was out of place, however in hesitant to scumread him for it.
I later clarified that it was due to your pre-game LAMIST stuff. Saying now that my motivation was wagoning is a misrepresentation.In post 163, doomfeathers wrote:There's no misrep here. You never stated any reason of the sort. You voted me because I voted you in RVS, then confirmed your vote without explanation.In post 161, Sesq wrote:No, it was a serious vote based on his LAMIST setup posts.In post 157, havingfitz wrote:wrt post 57....sesq. Is your "official" vote on doom an RVS vote?
Just stop with this misrepping.
Ah, I see. You stated that you believed it was LAMIST later, though you didn't state it as your reason for voting. Gotcha.In post 167, Sesq wrote:I later clarified that it was due to your pre-game LAMIST stuff. Saying now that my motivation was wagoning is a misrepresentation.In post 163, doomfeathers wrote:There's no misrep here. You never stated any reason of the sort. You voted me because I voted you in RVS, then confirmed your vote without explanation.In post 161, Sesq wrote:No, it was a serious vote based on his LAMIST setup posts.In post 157, havingfitz wrote:wrt post 57....sesq. Is your "official" vote on doom an RVS vote?
Just stop with this misrepping.
I agree with you, it's hard to be garbage they barely even exist.
Is this referring to Lucca? Which player is playing like this?In post 115, doomfeathers wrote:In post 108, wgeurts wrote:Doom, mind linking the wiki article?Umbrage's Guide on How to Win Scum Games wrote:Be as distracting as possible. While people will complain if you make too many wall posts, almost nobody complains if you take up several pages with a silly one-on-one argument that nobody else cares about. This can be done with a buddy or your primary suspect. Use confusing pronouns whenever possible to increase uncertainty, and never let a single point drop. Argue your stance back and forth, getting more obscure each time. If you make reference to an earlier post, state the number but do not give a link. Nobody will admit that they can't follow the argument, they will find it difficult to concentrate both on reading you and pushing their own agenda, and best of all, they can't call you out on anything because you're just a loyal townie doing his best to catch scum.
How is Magna's level of analysis different to your analysis?In post 92, lucca261 wrote:Meh. Don't like this. You have a point about scum trying to posts that on the surface look Pro-Town but have no helpful content.In post 27, MagnaofIllusion wrote: ...VOTE: Doomfeathers
On a page 2 basis my vote was going to go to either wg or Doom.
Doom got my vote for 14. It’s a suspect post coming on the heels of 9. They are trying to sell two different points of view in too short a time period.
9 says “I am on the ball and am paying attention to the rules” specifically be related to votes being symbolic at that point.
14 on the other hand is peddling both “I’m a newb and don’t get the mechanics” and “I’m not Mafia guys”, the second of which Ultimate picked up on. I’ve seen newer players drop the “I don’t understand the set-up so I’m Town” tell before in other Open set-ups like Jungle Republic so I probably would have voted on that basis alone for early game.
But Doom has enough games on site to understand how the Mafia are going to get the kills they need – mislynches. Basis Mafia101. So the dueling subtext shown of his posts strike me as someone uncomfortable with the early game and looking for footing to get comfortable. The "This is OMGUS" joke is another element I think shows him working to get footing.
Wg would have gotten my vote for 21 but Doom was a stronger vote for this early.
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Actually Scum wins when they are able to earn Town reads in Nightless games since there is no pressure (or in this case significantly lower pressure due to the 2 Daykills) to have to justify why they are so Town read and still alive. With posts like this which on the surface look Pro-Town but mainly empty of actual helpful content.In post 23, wgeurts wrote:I've played nightless before, scum wins only if the town becomes apathetic. Don't spam but don't disappear or lurk either.
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I feel like this post is just like this:
It's just you overly analysing things to try and look town, look that you are scumhunting. You can find scum that early. But posting this big explanations of why this is scum and why this is town so early makes me think you are just trying to look like the strong analytic town member, instead of being it.
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that you are only making the readsIn post 130, Sesq wrote:Wow, I want to play Doom for an hour, get something quick to eat, chat with friends, and now I have the largest wagon on me for doing the same shit as at least 2 other (FC and Revan, perhaps others I forgot or more in the future). Also, the one post that people seem to think is scummy (the one where I re-voted on Doom) was because he had those "lol im beginner" post, and thinking i was trying to wagon despite it being within the first 3 votes out of 7 required for lynch. Also, I was re-voting from what was technically pre-game, which I was unaware of. In fact, if we wish to talk about wagons, how about Hawk or Mozamis (of whom has contributed very little, may I add.) This is fucking imbecilic. Anyway, here's your reads, by person:
Mozamis - The wagon hop onto me (with Hawk), them mutually townreading eachother, and overall him not contributing much makes it clear who my vote is going with.
Magna - Normal town responses, it looks like. Null-town.
Hawk - The aforementioned, looks like a possible scumteam with Mozamis. Other posts seem to be going down kind of random trails. It could possibly be a town player who's just kinda disconnected with the game.
wgeurts - Real meaty scumhunting. Strong townread. His vote for me over FC when we are literally on the same level on his reads I'm not taking as anything, it could just as well be FC as I.
Revan - One of those near-nothing posters. A bit more than I remembered, but it's all fluff.
Ultimate Despair - Hasn't done anything. I don't know.
lucca261 - Posts look fine enough, but I have this extremely unshakeable gut feeling this guy is scum, if not Mozamis or Hawk. I'm not voting him for it unless I see anything with my brain.
Superhans - Came in, quoted Donkey Ollie, and left. Absolutely nothing to tell.
Friend Computer - Has done much less than I and yet has no votes. This is idiocy.
doomfeathers - This one is interesting. There was some weird LAMIST stuff, they voted for me, I have no idea where to place them now. They are outside ranking.
havingfitz - "catching up". No reads yet, obviously.
So with all that I'm indeed going VOTE: Mozamis.
