Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony - At The End(GAME OVER)

[Elena Fisher]

My thought process when I read Con was "Wow that read changed so fast he's most likely scum"
Then I thought on it for a moment and I didn't think I'd be that easy his reaction's seem semi genuine aswell

[Jaack]

Actually in light of elenas recent posts I'm rethinking my mick townishread.

[Pine]

-If you think Ram is opposing scum, you definitely don't go out on a limb for him. You push for his lynch.

Hmm...
Pine, fruit for thought:
Jaack scum.

Thoughts?

No opinion yet. Maybe if I get really bored I'll ISO.

The whole point of not obsessively reading the first two dozen pages is that I may see things you don't. Town tends to play a lot scummier early on, with nothing to do. Scum tends to play tighter. I'm seriously considering skipping the first couple of (RL) days of discussion as a general rule. Depends how this goes.

[Elena Fisher]

Actually in light of elenas recent posts I'm rethinking my mick townishread.

In what way

[Alisae]

You ain't much better then me sucker. Stop thinking you can use other people as an excuse to call me shit.

LMAO I'm not calling him shit. I'm making a refrence to goodsh1t.dek
Also my theory has been shit as of late so....

Tho I agree Jaack had no reason to vote me, considering the lolfull playing of Ram.

LOL WTF

can we lynch alisae or transcend?

Not Voting -

PenguinPower, Lemon Tree, kuror0, ironstove, Elena Fisher, Clumsy

or at least cast votes the fuck already already

Light townread for you that'll probably change later.

[Pepchoninga]

can we lynch alisae or transcend?

Not Voting -

PenguinPower, Lemon Tree, kuror0, ironstove, Elena Fisher, Clumsy

or at least cast votes the fuck already already

What's the rush?

[Pine]

Crap there's more pages than I thought. Stringing responses together.

{Ram, kuror0, Manuel, Mick, Gamma}

That is a fuck ton of bottom tier scum reads btw

Really it's only one more than would exist in a standard 13v4 Large, and we might be looking at 11v3v3, or even 10v3v3v1.

Hello! It's late here, but I've done a little reading. 30 pages to go. Probably have some first thoughts tomorrow at some point.

You're in a tough position, Clumsy. I don't envy it. Consider yourself on probation from the start.

This is not a post.

The cake is a lie.

I explained my read on him when he asked me. You might want to read that part again before misreping it.

Naaaaaaah, you're misrepping me now.
You never interacted with him up to the point where he asked for a case.
If I phrased it differently sorry, that's what I meant.

It is true that i didnt interact with him until i mentioned my sr on him but the point you make is that i made a case without interacting with him.
I gave the case when he asked me why he is in my scumreads.

Either way i dont see what is bad about developing a scumread on someone.
Please explain how it makes me scum when you dont even take your time to argue about my points on him.

I kind afeel like Manuel is town.

I kinda feel like Pep might be scum.

@Elena: Your name and avatar have been bugging me since we started, and I finally placed it! Uncharted is win.

I'm now getting mild TRs on Yoshi and Elena, mild scum on Iron. Not worthy of the Townbloc on the former, nothing actionable on the latter.

[Pepchoninga]

(Splitting up defense and opinions because shut up)

I'm not in love with the Mick wagon tbh.

I mean I don't love his most recent post (590 which was quite long ago but whatever) because it's just kinda lazy observations - people aren't here, Pepcho posts weird. But his drunken anti-gerry tirade feels more town than not to me.

Elena's entrance was meh/lean scum but Indigo was townlean. Neither side of the slot has done enough to convince me either way.

I still think ramslot is scum, but if it somehow is town, then I think that pepcho is more than likely to be scum. Their mutual quote wars didn't look TvT at all to me.

Will review other stuff but I'm getting lazy at this point.

You've got the Ramshot figured out I think

Also, I ain't drunk?! Mah posts make perfect sense.

[Pine]

Holy shit, drealmerz is in this?

*ISOs*

That's a scum ISO from drealmerz. I've been playing a lot with him, and I'm calling it. He joins the scumbloc.

[Pepchoninga]

Clum (Rem) town
Gerry Town
Cow town
Alisae towny
Slight sr om Manuel from what I've seen well prob iso that later
Iron scum

I don't like this.

Firstly why read Clum (Ram) as town?

What do you think of me? There seems to be a lot of players missing and overall these reads are made in a rush.

[gerryoat]

VOTE: Iron

this may be sudden, but i think i love you.

VOTE: Iron

[Alisae]

These two posts were supposed to be in opposite order but it doesn't really matter I guess.

The Jaack sh1t case:

I felt really uncomfortable about this slot for most of the game. I nullread it just mostly because tone was wierd. Then I figured that him being null read is sorta puts him a good position.

I can't really explain my tone to you. I mean, you can review the games in my wiki (it is 100% up to date!) to compare if you'd like.

*Jaack note - I am breaking up these paragraphs to respond by point*

He was mostly pushing Ramcius most of the game. Sure he probably has some good points up to where he votes Pep. If anything to me this seems like jumping on the Pep wagon at the wrong time if we consider Pep to be lynchbait. Plus I'm sorta getting the feeling that he doesn't really scumreads Pep as hard as he scumreads Ramcius in that post.

It is accurate that I did not and have never scumread Pepcho as much as I scumread Ramcius. But at the time I switched over to Pepcho, no one else really seemed to be interested in my Ramcius case, at least to the point of voting there. Especially in the first couple of days, I'd rather be voting for a weaker scumread that has traction than a stronger scumread that doesn't.

Also later he mentions something about Pep attempting to save his own skin when he should be trying to push Manuel. Ehh, I would agree if Pep was simply better at videa gamez, but I don't. I know Pep a bit more then ywall, I would probably describe him as a newbie. Still getting the swing of things and he doesn't really seem to know how to exactly deal with people who are SRing him yet alone not get SR'd.

I don't know anything about Pepcho aside from what I've read in this game. If the reason you disagree with my point is because you know pepcho, then you're judging me for not knowing things that I had no reason to know. Furthermore, you accepted my reasoning at the time, and even subsequentially voted pepcho yourself in a couple of pages.

There are enough stickling points where I'm still concerned with pepcho, even if I can see how he might be lynchbait.

I think it's around the time he produces his big readlist he starts to make me feel very uncomfortable. Like if I could put my finger on it, maybe it seemed like he was trying to pocket me in a really indirect fashion? Maybe it was that he was chainsawing me?

I townread you because you're wagon looked like a lazy wagon from RVS that stuck around for way to long. Also I mostly liked what you'd been saying and doing. But more so the first part.

After I convince him to get back on Ram, he starts pushing that again. His points on him are kind of strong.
Not to mention if he gets swayed from one of his scumreads to jump on the other he'll show his support for that lynch. I sorta do this too as town, but it seems hypocritical to attack Ram by saying that he doesn't care where his vote goes where Jaack's own vote acts sorta similarly.

I've been voting my strongest scumread that I think has traction this entire game (well except for my BYF vote I guess. That was because I enjoy manipulating yoshis into self destructing.

1. mkay gimmie a town game or two and a scum game or two.
2. Who the fuck cares if people are interested on your ramcius case? Hell saying this makes you look even more oppertunistic. Instead of trying to convince others to switch wagons you hop on the Pep wagon just because it's gaining speed. Really?
3. Gimmie a citation where I accepted your reasoning. I remember voting him because he slipped and he couldn't explain why he slipped or how I was supposed to intrepret the citation in question as not a slip.
4. Fine, how do I know you aren't trying to pocket me and hide under a reason and/or chainsaw me?
5. I know, I'm starting to think that's SvS. But I'm talking about when you so casually switched from Manuel to Ram. (Mo one blames you for your BYF vote)

[gerryoat]

Clum (Rem) town

Gerry Town

Con town

2 bad townreads but I will forgive u for voting iron

[Alisae]

Holy shit, drealmerz is in this?

*ISOs*

That's a scum ISO from drealmerz. I've been playing a lot with him, and I'm calling it. He joins the scumbloc.

Really? Ok. Honestly I think you may know a bit more of drealmerz then I do so I might sheep this read and give him a light scumread. But most of what he has posted has been mostly early game stuff so idunno...
I might put him back to null. Probably gonna do that actually.

[Alisae]

Clum (Rem) town

Gerry Town

Con town

2 bad townreads but I will forgive u for voting iron

Multiball.
Look at Pere's reads and tell me if you like them or not.

[Pepchoninga]

You ain't much better then me sucker. Stop thinking you can use other people as an excuse to call me shit.

LMAO I'm not calling him shit. I'm making a refrence to goodsh1t.dek
Also my theory has been shit as of late so....

Tho I agree Jaack had no reason to vote me, considering the lolfull playing of Ram.

LOL WTF

can we lynch alisae or transcend?

Not Voting -

PenguinPower, Lemon Tree, kuror0, ironstove, Elena Fisher, Clumsy

or at least cast votes the fuck already already

Light townread for you that'll probably change later.

Who's him? What? And yes, I can agree with that.

Why the wtf tho? U drunk or something?

Um he wants the rope on you and a player I think you TR...how does this give you a reason to TR him. I genuinely don't like this post.

[gerryoat]

Any of: Iron, Manuel, Ram slot (I guess I can give a chance but.....), ConManMick (Still kinda waitin for him to return??? he ded from drinking????) can get a rope today in that order.

There is a chance I may have confirmation bias with manuel since i was maf with him once and i thought he was acting similar, but I still scumread him. would prefer iron over him now.

[gerryoat]

Look at Pere's reads and tell me if you like them or not

Pere is town prob, but I'll check his reads in a sec

[Alisae]

Who's him? What? And yes, I can agree with that.

Why the wtf tho? U drunk or something?

Um he wants the rope on you and a player I think you TR...how does this give you a reason to TR him. I genuinely don't like this post.

1. Jaack. And you aren't getting away with explaining why my theory is shit unless you can say why it is.
2. I do need to see more from the dude, and pine pointed them out so now they're back to null. But ~reasons~. And what's wrong for giving someone a light TR orgionally for them going after my own TRs and myself?

[gerryoat]

Reads by group, town at top

Manuel87
Ramcius
gerryoat

Alisae
BigYoshiFan

drealmerz7
Transcend
Pine
Jaack
Elena Fisher

Indigo

kuror0
Lemon Tree
PenguinPower

Gamma Emerald
ConManMick

Pepchoninga
ironstove

oh wait i already saw this lol. I think 2 bad TRs but i still think he's town. he gave a decent reason why he TRs manuel, i guess. i just dont agree.

[Alisae]

Look at Pere's reads and tell me if you like them or not

Pere is town prob, but I'll check his reads in a sec

Don't need you to tell me that

[gerryoat]

Alisae care to vote Iron?

[Alisae]

And Garry what is your read on Elena?
pedit: No, I think they are lynchbait

[Pepchoninga]

Who's him? What? And yes, I can agree with that.

Why the wtf tho? U drunk or something?

Um he wants the rope on you and a player I think you TR...how does this give you a reason to TR him. I genuinely don't like this post.

1. Jaack. And you aren't getting away with explaining why my theory is shit unless you can say why it is.
2. I do need to see more from the dude, and pine pointed them out so now they're back to null. But ~reasons~. And what's wrong for giving someone a light TR orgionally for them going after my own TRs and myself?

I find it hard to understand your recent posts lol.

Ummm, I didn't say your theory is shit...I agree that the way Jaazk hopped on me is way too opportunistic and hardly explainable. He says nobody was interested in his Ram case, but this shouldn't be entirely true. I would've been more then interested to get another case on my top scumread. My case on Ram was neglected to some extent too. I find it hard to belive that Jaack just decided It would be better for him if he joined my wagon. Also the reasoning for that was alwful.

I don't understand the second. Maybe cuz I'm still sleepy.

[Alisae]

You don't understand the 2nd because you don't know him.