In Memory

[drealmerz7]

hihi all! I see the thread now! *reads*

Creature has been revealed as

The Sun

.

Eeep, I find this disconcerting.

like - stands above / apart from everything, and will burn us all!? :|

I have been making comments as I go, but then a few times now I've seen my comments made by others(creeps being hated correction, 1VT potential in madness games, hmm something else...), so I delete them..

*continues to catch up after removing comments*

*fills up space for pathetically thin-looking comment box*

I don't like S_S's comments at all yet either, not ready to hop on a wagon for him until he says at least 1 more thing though, then maybe

note: I'm all for PLs in many situations, BUT, that never applies to just lynching a player because they are a player, that is...scummy

[drealmerz7]

helps quite a bit in most occasions though, so, your balance is off

avatar appreciated, but of course not going to force the issue

it's just annoying quite a bit

[drealmerz7]

limbo

[drealmerz7]

all

[drealmerz7]

*laughing*

[drealmerz7]

I meant hello.

cause that

good stuff

[drealmerz7]

don't leave!

*cry*

[drealmerz7]

uhh, k

VOTE: Shadow_step

[drealmerz7]

uhh, k

VOTE: Shadow_step

Do you think he's scum then?

yes definitely

most often when I cast a vote, it is because I think they are scum or are the most likely scum - here I am thinking "yep, scum"

[drealmerz7]

is this so slow because we've found scum already?

postie comes in with a hard defend of S_S too, backs out a few, comes back with sillyness

S_S much more scummy to him though

my guess is that GE is a florida voting machine

[drealmerz7]

Still don't understand the SS wagon. It's like everyone is voting him for this:

Titus has been scum in a lot of games I've played with her. Not a bad PL

Which seems like obvious RVS talk.

to me it is more how it evolved from there, how he was in regards to getting some votes about it (essentially responded to the pressure he got from his RVS vote in a scummy way - town would have been more 'whatevers', imo), his attitude since

it seems more like a scum attitude of "fucking RVS shenanigans and I'm getting SR for it as scum and they won't back off, fucking hell"

[drealmerz7]

*in a puff of smoke he appears*

you'll see more of me tomorrow

*poof*

he's gone

[drealmerz7]

fucking hell ppls -

okay so I have been going back over the game as I catch-up and, I am on PAGE 10, and I wonder why we haven't lynched S_S yet, because, holy fuck, let me take you through AGAIN (and also try and find where the focus on him got lost because his is SO scum) :

S_S first post, a clear RVS vote:

VOTE: Rach

Begin!

then he quickly

VOTE: DEO

Most fake reaction ever

This is a serious vote for something he clearly (and reiterates later) thinks is fake-scum.

THEN, kuroi makes what seems to be an RVS vote:

VOTE: titus

Because I obviously have a death wish.

and S_S replies to THAT with:

Titus has been scum in a lot of games I've played with her. Not a bad PL

this is totally one of those slight-joking but hey if anyone wants to forward the idea I'm all for it scummy posts that scum make, imo, and DEO votes him for it (even though it is a vote in response to a comment about the PL, it's still a valid vote based on the progress and position)

Titus has been scum in a lot of games I've played with her. Not a bad PL

POLICY LYNCH!

POLICY LYNCHES ARE ALWAYS SCUM SIDED!!

VOTE: Shadow Step

You better hope you have a good claim ready.

someone else agrees that it is a scummy comment, despite any "sarcasm" he can write it off as, it's still a very scummy post, and it is pings multiple people

More votes on DEO. Awful omgus on me to follow up with that fake reaction.

S_S is gone for a pretty good chunk of the thread and comes back with this ^ - first, she voted you for your scummy post, not in OMGUS to your vote on her - and it soo was not a fake reaction, multiple people read it THAT way, yet you persist, and I am being patient waiting for you to be towny and you just kind of "fuck you" to everyone, not contributing to anything that has gone on in the thread since or expanding on anything about DEO other than repeating yourself - so I vote S_S, having been mostly an observer through the whole thing

and gamma votes you similarly:

No I'm pretty sure that reaction was real
I don't like Shadow's response to DEO's vote
In fact the DEO vote itself was pretty bad
VOTE: Shadow_Step

Scum ^

that's your response to the adding pressure about your scummy before, as seen by multiple people already?

Nah, I wanted to PL Titus because she rolls scum a lot. Which was a joke. People here don't have a sense of humour.

but your vote is for the reaction and you do want to vote/lynch her

and then you try to change the subject around when asked about your scummy "joke" post (and you make it all dramatic like "you guys don't even have a sense of humor!" oh please, that's totally a scum-ploy!), and when it doesn't go your way, you switch your vote to gamma like "oh whatever that's not going anywhere let's try THIS!"

Anyway

Gamma is the scum on my wagon.
Look at his reasoning to vote me. It is something I posted on page 1 and he has been postin since then. But he only decides to vote me when there are lot of votes on me already.

VOTE: Gamma

I thought you said DEO was scum on your wagon (scum-omgus vote in your view ) cause super-fake noway town reacts that way reaction? just dropping that now, eh? for a weak-ass case on GE?

you posted content on pg. 1 that was voteworthy, the fact that it was on page 1 doesn't mean ANYTHING, that's just a fallacy argument

"that touchdown doesn't count it was scored in the first 20 seconds of the game!" uhhh, no

Which you only realised after the huge wagon on me? Yeah opportunustic scum.

so only ppl who vote on wagons of a certain size are scum?

no, he voted almost the same time I did and it was upon watching you be scummy over and over and over, waiting until enough built to a point of comfortable voting

again, you try to devalue things by fallible arguments

Can we fucking Lynch gamma?

still wanting to lynch him, and you are now sure he is a DV, but, that doesn't last long...

If I wanted to PL you I would have voted you. You can't be that dense.

but...you did vote her? not for the PL, but, it's like you're twisting around what happened at this point, so what you switched to gamma for a short bit to see if anyone would go there with you/you could shake attention from yourself

I'm not even trying? Are you serious?
Did you even bother to read my case on Gamma?
And a person who's game is just to death tunnel on anyone till they are lynched has no right to talk about anyone else.

another scummy post

death tunnel?! they're engaging with other shit and doing things, you're death tunneled, not doing anything but focused on 1 and then a 2nd person when the 1st doesn't take, except you can't resist to try another push and

Guess I should take initiative.

Yeah, vote Deo

VOTE: Deo

Dreal is posting VERY quiet compared to his normal town games. This is probably scum

pingpingping

you don't know anything about my games!! considering I don't have HAVE a 'normal game', as

either

alignment, and even if I did, you certainly wouldn't know it - ppl who have played 15 games with me don't know what a normal game for me is~!! yeeeesh

I'm okay with this too actually. You have good reads day 1.
VOTE: d7

that's a terrible read and if you

are

town (hah!), youshouldn't be guided by it, buuut you're not town and maybe that is just a scumbuddy you're trying to jump with

I've explained it already.
I have no idea how town reacts to a hated claim like- "can we make you unhated?"
It's like role fishing + awkward scum who doesn't know how to react.

Oh but selling a "policy lynch" on me after that point was a joke right?
Nah, you meant it. Then you got caught in a meta tell. Rather than asking me to prove it, you cried joke.

I can grow an extra person, so him being unhateable isn't ridiculous. It's also not a rolefish in the binary.

yepyep this ^

Titus is scared of me because I lynched her in green day micro based of almost nothing so wants me gone.

oh please (okay after reading further of course I see she calls you on this BS)

and then you POST THIS:

Postie, you have an AtE weakness.

No, I don't. I can just tell the difference between scum frustration and town frustration. This is town frustration.

It isn't Postie. Check Suikoden Mafia. Blackest Magic reacted in the same way. Klingon was in that game btw.

Lmao, Seriously?
This is so reachy, its pathetic. Its worse than scraping the barrel.
We are not the same people.

BAHAHAHA! it's like you're projecting!!

Your ego can't digest it and you're salty it's okay.

omg he's so desperate scum, he should be lynched by now!!

Titus is scared of me because I lynched her in green day micro based of almost nothing so wants me gone.

LOL this logic is p terrible "I dunked this dude and now they are upset at me" when they have real reasons for voting you

What real reason? I've already said it was a joke. If I had to PL her I would have voted her.

and AGAIN you twist

YOU DID/ARE voting her (at this time pretty sure), but it's not about the PL, and yet you use this as a way to devalue votes on you because you're not voting for her for that, OMG SCUMMMMMM!!!!

he's so desperate and in deep he's flailing obvious scum, and then!

@Vedith what do you think about KC?

"omg scum-buddy throw me a life-line!!"

okay still don't know why he's not just l-1 and claiming at this point, but, will read on with further thorough catchup!!!

[drealmerz7]

no kidding

[drealmerz7]

Already disproved that lie. Anyone reading the first two pages knows that's a lie. I identified myself post one.

I didn't read that.

##Fail

how convenient!!!

this is some of the scummiest shit!!! you can't expect to get away with it?!!

[drealmerz7]

Shadow is a derp, we agree, now lets vote Creeps.

Creeps is lynch bait, we need to to lynch d7

wow, man, I put up the PRETTY MUCH AIR TIGHT CASE on you, and you want me dead

that's telling

VOTE THIS SCUMFUCK

[drealmerz7]

More convenient ignorance ^^^^^^^^^

THAT'S YOU!!! OMFG

[drealmerz7]

Shadow is a derp, we agree, now lets vote Creeps.

no he just expects to get away with this shit because it's so fucking atrocious

don't let him

if he is town (yeah fucking right), he's the worst anti-town player I've ever fucking seen and it is pro-town to lynch him NOW NOW NOW, but no, HE'S SCUM

[drealmerz7]

oh right, vedith, he's your scumbuddy, that's right

[drealmerz7]

did you read this scum?

who the fuck are you talking to about READING THE FUCKING THREAD??!?! talk to yourself!!! FUCK, if you're town, vote yourself, because this is the shittiest townplay I've ever seen

there's no fucking way you're town

[drealmerz7]

Lol dreal is so scum.

is this all you can say when someone makes a case on you???

[drealmerz7]

my scum meta?!??!?!!? we've never even played a game together where I've been scum

that is the weakest stupidest argument ever

vote this fuck please

[drealmerz7]

I don't have a meta, btw, except like "dreal is weird"

[drealmerz7]

Yeah, like I need to be in a game where you were scum. /s

yes to make an argument about my meta you need to have played with me before or, ya know, at least read a handful of my completed games, which you absolutely have not - it's pretty fucking simple

[drealmerz7]

I have 2 completed games on site.

I was town in both.

[drealmerz7]

STOP TALKING LIKE YOU KNOW SHIT

ppl who have played 15 games weith me as me being town still can't fucking tell if I'm town, okay?!?! GEEZUZ FUCK I HATE SHITTY PLAYERS

[drealmerz7]

I'm not defending you I want to lynch scum, not lynch bait.
Now stop being terrible

MAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

[drealmerz7]

S_S and vedith been buddying since early, ppls

you are all making this SO MUCH HARDER than it should be

it's driving me insane

[drealmerz7]

He's hated so benefit of doubt for now.
All I've seen him doing is getting lynched as town day 1 in a lot of games.

I'm okay with lynching him tomorrow over Dreal. This is not going to be Dreal's town play, that's for sure.
He's normally more structured, even more so when called scum, here he is just shouting "you're scum" like a kid.

you don't know my play!!!

omg I'm tired of scum just saying they know shit aobut my play and making cases

it's utter BS

S_S is the one repeating "you're scum" without addressing ANYTHING (and when he does it's scum-excuses "oh I didn't read that") - I'm just frustrated at all of you for avoiding the obvious

like, how is S_S town?!?!?!?!?! TELL ME!

[drealmerz7]

I cooled off and came back

look - this is genuine frustrated town drealmer (and anyone who completes a handful of games knows it, but of course, none of them are here!), I don't know how to convince any townies who don't believe me, but it's how I get when I think something is so clear and yet it's not happening

further, I think the S_S wagon is so hard to grow more because IT IS SCUM and scum are staying away from it, otherwise it'd be going through in a SNAP - these things seem so obviously true to me I get very frustrated

[drealmerz7]

wow 1 game, where it was EASY AND NOT FRUSTRATING

seriously, that is a pathetic "case" of me not being town here

I can link you 10 games where I am town and GET SO PISSED AT THE STUPIDS

[drealmerz7]

Dreal your case on me is I asked to PL someone which was a joke and the rear of it is stupid conf bias. If you were town you'd actually understand that. But no

uhhh no not at all - you clearly didn't read my posts!!!!!! wow!!!

[drealmerz7]

he clearly doesn't know to play mafia and only knows how to stir shit and talk shit

ignore him

[drealmerz7]

you realize that you're not even addressing me with your concerns, right? you're just so hellbent on convincing others I'm scum you aren't actually trying to figure out if I am, and it is giving you away as scum

I keep being inclined to try and help you understand things, but it is clear you have no interest to, you're just painting your pictures and pushing your agenda

if anyone else besides S_S and vedith actually thinks I'm scum for any of that ridiculousness, let me know, I'll be happy to address concerns about differing playstyles

[drealmerz7]

*appears*

I'm still at post #245 - continued proper catchup coming tonight after work (I made my 1 catchup post and had some exchanges after that, but am still not caught up between)

*disappears*

[drealmerz7]

I'll keep this in mind. Actually, now that you mention it, we were scum buddies in our last game. I had a couple votes on me and was at L-1. He actually blackmailed me into voting a townie. So yeah, he's batshit crazy as a player and hence, I could believe that as a mod too.

this gets me excited!

Postie feels like she is WKing SS and that makes my scumdar ping something fierce

VOTE: Postie

ehhh, don't like this post - can't quite tell why though, it's like it's too generalized a position rather than getting into specifics of now here why?

VOTE: Postie

I get scumread for whiteknighting every single game.[/quote]
noted

Postie feels like she is WKing SS and that makes my scumdar ping something fierce

VOTE: Postie

Yeah, creeps, look at RM in the game context. This pings hardcore. RM takes no position on SS but attacks Postie for "whiteknighting" SS.

This makes me think The gut is right.

Gamma, can you dual vote RM?

hmmhmmmmmm

RachMarie seems to be putting in solid effort so I may have to look back and consider

I don't really see it. I see a lot of talk about previous games and that tends to put me off in general though.

... I don't think it's fair to say that complaining about being scumread for a joke is alignment indicative because one person has done it before as scum...

in general, I agree, but, it not being AI doesn't mean he's not scum either, and the way it was done, here, in this specific circumstance, seems like scum-doings rather than town-doings - when something is generally not AI, you have to, ya know, stop applying the generalization and look at the specific situation

SS totally seemed like scum trying to get away with a half-sarcastic joke to see if it could garner any momentum behind it, and if not, be able to explained away as a mere joke - this is like, what ppl do, it seems clear - anyway, only addressing it here because of the relevance and I hadn't seen this post before, not meaning to re-hash all that, certainly, enough has been said at this point! ppl need to judge it for themselves

and then there's this:

This particular "joke" when done by three separate people onto me has been scum 3 times and town zero. The behavior and tone matches here.

and I've also experienced similar things with scum "sarcasm", and yep, I totally see it here and trust in The DEO's assessment of it as well

...feel good about Gamma being town because like I said generally speaking, double voters are generally town, also feel good about dude who claimed hated, because the two balance out fairly well in games.

I also think this way, but wouldn't put it past a mod to do something whacked either, especially from the little I've heard about RC, but it's still the main working theory that they're both town to me, which in itself gives me me some pause.

I've been accused plenty of time, especially in my earlier MS play, of white knighting. People see it as a scum move. I see it as NAI or AI specific to a person.

And I'll trust this not being AI on Postie.

yep, totally, and opportunistic as said by RM to vote postie for it, but I still wouldn't be voting RM over SS here!

(I know my catchup is far behind, but, hey, it'll be done and things will be better)

Hello everyone.

I'm Kalista, a Requested Soulbinder Modified Conditional Flavor Cop Global Modified Cop Modified Reflexive Delayer Double Dayer.

VOTE: Vedith

WTF if this is real STOP FUCKING CLAIMING PPL OMG

if it's not real OMFG STOP FUCKING FAKECLAIMING PPL OMG

smh

Rach, 95% of your ISO is IIoA.

yerp

...
Anyways back to pegging peeps

Looks very likely that Zefiend will be replaced because no posting yet and the game has been going on for more than 48 RL hours. Hopefully new person will be more active. So null on that slot for now.

wow!

stellar read! way to "peg the peeps!"

?????????????????????????

Okay I'll follow you.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

so you disagree with the DV being much more likely town? I don't quite get the follow

Why would you follow Creeps? After a slight scum read? Especially if he can't remember why?

right

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8597235

and the series of posts after it, yes I agree scumslip like woahs

@ Deo I know you are uber tunneling on SS, and I think you have a case, but I also think Postie is scum and I am scum reading her more than SS, which is why my vote is where it is.

You do need to sometimes step back and look at the entire forest, not just the one tree you are staring at :P

misrep, DEO been doing more than RM

hey, The DEO, I'm getting more and more comfortable being thread mason with you cause we see a lot of stuff eye-to-eye here and it does make me comfortable! maybe a little too comfortable for comfort though so I've got my eye on you still

Pretty sure flavor is not related to alignment here though.

well RM is either a "good guy" who rolled scum or a "bad guy" who rolled town

The DEO

I am thinking RachMarie is town, why you don't think the same?

why are you thinking she's town?

Agent Danvers

Supergirl needs assistance in scum containment. Please report to your assigned field deployment at the given coordinates.

A word of caution scum have not only been able to shapeshift into humanoid figures but they also may have Lore that may appear to be innocent. You and Supergirl must make sure that scum do not wreck the remaining good people/creatures who are also present. For simplicity these good people and creatures will be called town in future communications.

Use your skills to identify and capture them. As always work together with Supergirl in this endeavor. I know sometimes you butt heads. Do your best to make sure that does not happen. Our other agents are currently tied up on other missions and we may not be able to spare further recruits.

-Hank Henshaw

P.S. Supergirl has taken to calling herself Titus for this mission. Don't ask me why. I was just getting used to SuperGirl.

fun! ppl have fun!

I would prefer SS containment but it seems thre thread is fine with letting scum slips go.

-- SuperGirl

false, we're just a little behind on the mission!

stay steadfast and don't lose focus!

How have you gone from

Though atm sure is relative since it is still very early in the game.

being unsure of your read on me to

instead of seeing that it is Postie that is SS's buddy

stating that me and SS are partners in a manner that implies you have a reasonably high degree of confidence in your reads on me and SS?

hey! townpoints for you, postie!!! I like this post a lot, more like this!

because you are a strong scum read for me

And the fact you keep defending SS does not feel like you know he is town.

The fact you've given that second line as a sort-of afterthought suggests it isn't part of your reasoning for the first statement. Just pointing that out so you can't backtrack and pretend it is when I ask:

What do you make of the fact that you're scumreading me for a behaviour that frequently gets me scumread as town to the point where it is literally NAI? Why didn't you take this into consideration after I pointed it out? It sort-of undermines the whole basis for your read.

ya! have more townpoints!!

I am always suspicious when a player defends someone as much as you have SS.

A+ dodge

What's your read on me now that I've literally quoted several examples of similar situations at you?

A+ note of dodge!

more townpoints!!

phewww then a long mess...

SS and RM are definitely seeming scum...

the DEO rps more and wins my mafia-heart...

SS is L-1, then replaced...

Nononono do not fucking walk of this glorious Shadow wagon

^^^^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^^^

um

AHAHA ouch!

also why the fuck was i told to claim? roles were created before alignments, and alignments were randomized is what i see. does it really matter my role?

ummm? I don't know I guess...usually it does still? but you bring up a good point I guess

should you just be hammered then?

you're dumb i don't even know my alignment numbnuts

??? like we expect you to claim your alignment? "oh shit yeah I am scum, yo, go ahead and hammer!"

he did i think it's just me being stupid since i can't find an alignment anywhere.

i know the role though.

????

so are you claiming or not? *reads on*

OH I FOUND IT. I'M ALIGNED WITH TOWN.

i'm dumb.

omg I'm cracking the fuck up

hammer time!

wait, why is the thread still open?...

also hi titus, postie, zefiend, lycan, kling, kuroi, rach, vedith, drealm, & gamma again

hi

your charm will not work on me though, sorry, you're scum :|

what is going on? is it because I went away? kill scum please? or explain to me why it's not dead?

[drealmerz7]

hey, what a scummy reply! not actually addressing anything, just talking shit trying to discredit, just like SS! imagine!

it looks like KC also outted themselves as your scumbuddy "woah bail time new player *pheww*" is how I read that unvote

c'mon folks, there's really only 1 way to end this Day, isn't there? I mean I can totally get on board with voting RM, but, KTS is 1000x better today, no?

[drealmerz7]

idk drealm pings me but that's usual for him so its like A COUNTE RPING G PING PING PING

usual? have we played more than 1 game together?

anything that specifically pings? I often ping lots of ppl in lots of ways, it's usually more a personality thing, just fyi, so if we can work out specifics I might be able to at least give my view of what it could be - of course you'll take that as you will, but I will be honest and it can help you and others read all the things, so, I'm all about it

[drealmerz7]

well then the important question becomes:

are you?

[drealmerz7]

yep and I want to lynch KTS today

RM would be okay too

other than that I haven't gotten enough scumpilations on players to be comfortable voting them

[drealmerz7]

[quote="In post 755,
Gamma Emerald - scum [/quote]
care to reconcile the largely held view that a DV is town-aligned with your scum-read on GE?

[drealmerz7]

I'd also like a VC and some prods

why don't you like KTS ?

I mean that "no reason for me to claim because of how it was done, but let me find my alignment so I can claim that I'm town" was just off when KTS came in to me, like, eeeggh, so fake

[drealmerz7]

zefiend ... some kind of silenced role ...

hmm I hadn't had that thought actually that is interesting because I was wondering wtf was up with no prods or anything

figuring slacker mod who said they were busy, buuut, the replacement happened, sooo

weird, but I wouldn't want to lynch that slot today that is for sure

[drealmerz7]

Taking a look at Shadow, maybe that slot is town.

please make the defense case on them if you can cause I don't see it

[drealmerz7]

So roles can be AI.

mmm I just think we enter mod-WIFOM there and it is a dead end

[drealmerz7]

I'm not too willed to defend this slot, but I prefer RachMarie or Creeps20 because I actually have a case on them.

creeps I get better feels about because I see vedith+SS being buddyish around the counterpush on me when I'm going at SS, and vedith tries to get creeps to join the push on me - vedith just pops in with that shit too, and then SS does a reach out "vedith, what do you think of KC" - yehh, townlean creeps and scumlean vedith with all of that

I have KTS on different level of scumness than RM, would prefer you to join there, especially if you can't give me any reasons that you are TRing him...

P-edit

oh hey look, and there's vedith, popping in to defend that slot

yeahhhhhh

[drealmerz7]

vedith, why is that slot town?

[drealmerz7]

oh hey look, and there's vedith, popping in to defend that slot

yeahhhhhh

Need to keep my scum buddy alive and all.

or we could just lynch this ^

[drealmerz7]

Also, I usually like lynching who I feel is most likely scum.

absolutely, other things are always secondary

[drealmerz7]

Okay, whatever

VOTE: KTS

*pets the nice creature*

thankee!! usually when I want lynches this hard I don't get them, mmm ever!

[drealmerz7]

Maybe KTS dying will let zefiend be able to talk?

well after you said what you did my thought was just a D1 mute mechanic on him for whatever reason (to see if town wants to lynch a complete non-contributor, plus it could just go with his flavorrole and be a whacked thing RC did cause of that - I find all of that quite likely)

I don't think it'd be dependent on a specific player getting killed at all

[drealmerz7]

you realize that those types of answers were old in like, 3rd grade, right?

[drealmerz7]

unless you failed it 5 times

[drealmerz7]

and you're not able to make a parallel comparison to derive meaning?

[drealmerz7]

what kind of tea do you like? :þ

[drealmerz7]

I like herb and spice teas mostly

peppermint, ginger, cinnamon, - and lots of different fancy blends of yummy herbs

I like herbs, and spices...mmmmmmmmm

[drealmerz7]

I'd also like a VC and some prods

why don't you like KTS ?

I mean that "no reason for me to claim because of how it was done, but let me find my alignment so I can claim that I'm town" was just off when KTS came in to me, like, eeeggh, so fake

man other stuff i've done must seeeeem real fake for you then

especially since i've been, y'know, banned for not reading my role pm. thanks though.

well if it makes you feel better this ^ just feels like genuine scum-ness and not fake at all

fallacy-replies seem to be all you have

[drealmerz7]

first ^^ fancy buzzwords is a fancy buzzword ^^

and nooo, now you're just talking shit

oh wait, that's all your slot has been doing

ugh, ppl, end this already!!!

[drealmerz7]

but you spend your time and energy doing nothing but AtE + shitposting - all that time and energy added up now could have made like, 1 or 2 decent posts defending yourself or explaining why your wagon is scum motivated (and who that is), but, no

you're too tired - to replace into a game that was already under way while spending too much time at school

ummm, more likely you're deadscumwhoknowsit with 0investmentgiven already so you play the passive victimized "the hill is too steep to even try!" approach hoping you get pity when, town fucking does SOMETHING

I mean, do I have to point out AGAIN AGAIN how scummy this slot is and then you COMBINE that with the fact that it's still not getting lynched = scumbuddy resistance is the answer (via not voting for their buddy and so MORE TOWNIES NEED TO VOTE THE SCUM and pushing against like, ya know, like vedith with his hard-defenses that are inexplicable)

[drealmerz7]

that readslist felt like nothing effort "let me just throw this out there"

I wonder, did you get fully caught up reading the entire game?

[drealmerz7]

uh wha? woah! crazy

I kind of like it

that it is Day I mean, I like funky mechanics - I wonder if that is PR related (but shh if it is!)

not liking that that slot was town - wtf? wtf? SS + KTS, wtf do you play like that as town!?

seriously, that is fucking whacked

and I feel....used...duped...fucking pissed

like I was made the spokesperson for scum driving a ML and they hid behind me

I want to fucking find who is responsible, and it really just points to one place

*looks at The DEO*

VOTE: The DEO

[drealmerz7]

hard to say really

inclination is to think he is scum trying to keep a disruptive /unhelpful slot in the game and hedges his bets also figuring it's alikely lynch and he can get towncred for the flip, but, it's fucking vedith so I don't really know, he's always scum isn't he?

vig shot him if you've got it!

[drealmerz7]

will you vote The DEO in spirit ?

[drealmerz7]

I bet the buttons still work...

[drealmerz7]

yay for grammar lessons!!! ppl definitely need to know

let's eat, grandma!

let's eat grandma!

mean 2 very different things

---
scumleans

The DEO
RM
Vedith

too many null players - get in the game!


postie
creeps
JR
GE

townleans

[drealmerz7]

drealmersz7 - Wait, drealmerz7 is playing?

uhhh, yeah, hi, that's an off comment considering my content and play yesterday

I may have been behind at a point or to and so not had posts for a period, but, I'm definitely playing.

playing

well

, however, might be a different story, and I'm definiltely good with RM lynch and not going to push The DEO at all if no one is feeling it like I'm feeling it - I guess it makes sense that none of you are feeling it like I'm feeling it, not having been in the position I was in. I want to blame someone :|

Seriously saw fucking 'town' not

green

in the flip and looked all over for where it was actually scum and

red

because I couldn't believe it.

RM is a much more sound lynch choice, I know.

UNVOTE: The DEO
[/vote]RachMarie[/vote]

[drealmerz7]

bah

VOTE: RachMarie

[drealmerz7]

Yes, I am. Though, it doesn't tell anything about my alignment.

*wonders if creature thinks he can use mind-control on others*

[drealmerz7]

Well I am gonna check on things this weekend I am in the middle of working on a large report for a client I am supposed to have to him tomorrow night and I cant sit at the computer any longer tonight, Its in the 20s and my fingers are cold and I do not want to run the heater any longer today, so I am going to bed now.

Over the weekend, I will look at some ISOs and see who else I think is scum. I was actually surprised SS/KTS was not scum after all.

I know more about your personal life than I do about your reads

[drealmerz7]

I'm wondering about it being no D2 and no Night / no scumkill and what is going on. Not that I mind having two lynches in before scum get akill off, but, like I said, it makes me wonder what is going on.

It makes me wonder if there is some weird catch-22 going on in the game (both for scum and town! so weird!)

To explain more, if The Sun is scum, but Night can't come because The Sun is constantly "out" (alive), and scum can't perform a kill until Night...

that would mean scum have to rely on mislynches only until perchance The Sun gets lynched and then it is business as usual ?

so as much as they want to perform NKs, they don't want their own lynched
and as much as we (town) don't want NKs, we want to lynch scum, and if that is The Sun, and makes Night come

yeah, catch-22 for both

I can see RC doing that

not that I want to distract from what I think is a good lynch in RM, but, no one is really pushing that or going there it seems and I think I just sold myself on creature as scum!

UNVOTE: RachMarie
VOTE: Creature

[drealmerz7]

funny JR but I won't be strong-armed like that

I'll put my vote back on RM if /when I want, I agree she's scum, but I want to push this issue about creature

if RM was lynched already as she should have been by this point, I wouldn't be doing this

but the rest of the ppls can't seem to get their shit together and vote RM soooo, don't give me shit for it

[drealmerz7]

tell me how, in a RC game (which as I understand can be whacked as fuck), my theory isn't something we should at least just think about?

fine if you want to toss it out, but, tell me why it's not plausible/possible/likely first

[drealmerz7]

that's the fucking catch-22 man

I'm voting you to draw attention to the possibility and make discussion about it, because if it is something that is true, then you are scum, and we should talk about what to do about it

I said in the initial post I'm for more lynches before Night comes, and agree it'd make sense to RM then creature if we agree creature is scum

but ppl weren't readily lynching RM as fast as I thought we would, and so, I'm discussing other things, I'm not meaning to detract from the RM lynch, as I said, I'm fine voting her and will move it back when I want to - consider a vote for her placed or a hammer to be made by me if I'm not on the wagon before it's lunch time

for now, until we're at that point

talk to me about creature and The Sun and my theory

[drealmerz7]

or just tell everyone else to get off their asses and vote RM already

but don't give me poop for trying to play the game when the game is just kind of sitting stagnated

JR, read what I said

[drealmerz7]

In Memory

Votecount 2.40:

RachMarie (3): The DEO, Creature, drealmerz7
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
LycanFire (1): Vedith
The DEO (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
drealmersz7 (0):
KuroiXHF (0):
Vedith (0):
Postie (0):
Creeps20 (0):
JaeReed (0):
ɀefiend (0):
Klingoncelt (0):
Deimos27 (0):

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, RachMarie, Klingoncelt, LycanFire, Creeps20, Gamma Emerald, JaeReed, Deimos27

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The day will end in (expired on 2016-12-28 23:00:00)

only vote since here is zefiend on RM so it looks like:

Votecount

RachMarie (4): The DEO, Creature, drealmerz7, ɀefiend
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
LycanFire (1): Vedith
The DEO (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
drealmersz7 (0):
KuroiXHF (0):
Vedith (0):
Postie (0):
Creeps20 (0):
JaeReed (0):
ɀefiend (0):
Klingoncelt (0):
Deimos27 (0):

Not Voting: Postie, RachMarie, Klingoncelt, LycanFire, Creeps20, Gamma Emerald, JaeReed, Deimos27

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

when my vote was on RM there were 4 votes on her - and look at ALL THE PLAYERS NOT VOTING - if they're not voting RM at this point, they're not going to, imo - to me were' essentially still in D1 with a flip and wagon to analyze and we should just BE THERE ALREADY (on the RM lynch)

yes, it confirms even more that she is scum to me that not more are voting her at this point, obviously scumbuddies just not going there, because HARDLY NO ONE ELSE IS EITHER, you talking about buddies busing seems silly

and if you want to know why VCA is useful pre-flip, use the idea that RM is def. scum, and then analyze:

Postie, RachMarie, Klingoncelt, LycanFire, Creeps20, Gamma Emerald, JaeReed, Deimos27, Vedith, KuroiXHF

that is the scumpool of RM scumbuddies (which will be even more solidified if we reach RM lynch to get confirmation that she's scum), no buddies would be on her at this point imo because there's just barely any steam to it, any vote on her adds a little steam, TOWNIES must vote for her first

I see what you mean that my unvoting is deterring from the progress of that, and so that is why I say consider my vote on RM, but, I do suppose those are just words and I will concede perhaps the best move is to just stay on / lynch RM - so okay my vote goes back there

UNVOTE: Creature
VOTE: RachMarie

I still want Yu (all) to talk to me about my The Sun theory though - obviuosly if it is true we still want to lynch RM first and then creature, I wouldn't have allowed it to progress otherwise if that was the thoughts we came to as a group

[drealmerz7]

IMO the person with the leading wagon should definitely be voting

so scummy not to be!

[drealmerz7]

I need to be more awake

obviously you're right

I wasn't even looking at the list with creature on it when I said that

okay, sooo, what do you make of The Sun then, and no Night, any correlation? any theory on lack of Night if there is no correlation?

[drealmerz7]

seems awfully unbalanced if there is no Night because of The Sun if scum can't perform Day-kills

and if scum can perform Day-kills, where is D1s?

[drealmerz7]

just trying to piece it together

I like weird whacked setups with unusualness to them very very much (the creativity, the mind-paths that open), so if I go too far, let me know

but I think this is a healthy pursuit atm (as long as it's not distracting from ppl VOTING RM)

[drealmerz7]

thanks for that

okay

[drealmerz7]

He called in a scrip for antibiotics. He wanted me to get admitted into the hospital, but I can't do that.

omg no don't do it!!! fire cider and vitamin c and rest and other things!!!

ooof!

make sure you take probiotics too if it's too late :|


errrrm...never heard of a "bubble" will go look it up

[drealmerz7]

"bubbled"

uhhh, not in wiki, totally unfamiliar

what is this?

[drealmerz7]

I am on V/LA peeps why are you accusing me of lurking?

For example today I spent most of the day out and about going to wound care and Walmart then got home ate and ended up falling asleep because I was up half the night working on catching up on writing for clients.

omfg lynch this if you have time to make this comment you have time to read some shit and make some content comments

[drealmerz7]

Night phase got skipped like a scrawny kid in dodgeball picks apparently.

me =(

I wasn't just scrawny I was also disliked.

I was however also agile and have great-hand eye coordination.

I'd not get picked, but then I'd still do very well playing. Usually down to one of the last on my team even with a bunch of jocks. I can dodge and catch exerptly.

In my HS, gym classes were mixed grades sometimes.

We had a 9th+12th grade gym class mixed. Fucking brutal sometimes how they'd pelt those balls.

oh wait, you want content in the game

oh I've done that, I can post some shit and not come off like a scumbag

[drealmerz7]

great hand-eye

woo

[drealmerz7]

The good news is that I "bubbled" KTS. He's not going to the Dead Zone.

So he's coming back?

He can't come back into the game thread. :(

But I have him in a special place where he can act as a sort of hydra head, which I really need right now.

I'm still not sure about Rach Marie, but KTS is, so

VOTE: RachMarie.

uhh, weird, interesting - I like it, some really cool mechanics so far, RC, I want to be in all of your modded games!

and now we have hyrda dissonance - NONONONONOOOOOO

if you're not sure about her, don't fucking vote her - pretty scummy

Wait, what?

Scum can't get a kill because there's no Night, so you want to kill Day?

Why are you wanting to help Scum get Night Kills?

VOTE: drealmerz7

(Sorry, KTS, but that was a Scumslip deluxe.)

uhhhhhhhh, did you read?! and to be EXTRA CLEAR - with being so sure about RM, I think even if we decided that was true about The Sun AND that creature was scum, I'd definitely be for lynching RM first - ugh, it's not hard to follow, I thought - this oost pings me as scummy quite a bit

KC + RM +...

Look at what he's saying again. He's saying it's a scum role and it's a trade-off.

GE can understand! *phew*

No, nevermind, we can lynch Rach today.

VOTE: RachMarie

this is really bad hop off / revote

why is it that you want to lynch RM?

Klingon claimed to bubble KTS and talk with him. I do not believe that.

oh yeah hmm interesting thought, of course possible he's lying - derr, I think I was just so distracted by figuring out what it was I didn't think about it fuller, badme

You are probably scum with Rach Marie.

*thumbs up*

I am trusting you again, my initial lash-out at you was definitely not cool. You shared the same mindset as I did about SS. He led his own wagon, really, it wasn't me, and I shouldn't have looked to blame.

I believe her. It's too far-fetched to be fake.

I don't follow the logic of too far-fetched having to be real.

Yey Klingon is town.

would you elaborate as to why you think that, please?

To be completely honest, I don't know how I feel with the quick wagon on Rach.

uhhh, it's not quick at all, man

it's like, residual obviousness from D1

let's get on with it...

[drealmerz7]

pick me pick me, JR!

let's peg some fuckers!

[drealmerz7]

dude, this is so fucking mild too

if I had time I'd be making huge WOTs most likely

be glad!

[drealmerz7]

life and shit

mafia tomorrow if I'm not passed-out-exhausted after work

[drealmerz7]

still catching up but lycan is looking to be jester or bomb possibly with how he's playing

[drealmerz7]

I'm not caught up to a decision yet either, fyi

now I leave work, back in a bit

[drealmerz7]

this is where I'm at in being thorough catchup:

What about you guys?

I like this, it's harmless and fun and interesting.

1.) HAL-9000
2.) SANDWORM from DUNE or Beetlejuice
3.) ???

k back to the game...

[drealmerz7]

okay then
now I'm with it all

ummm...interesting

not sure if lover claim is real or not, actually

RM is a better lynch than lycan to me, and you all fell for a trick, I think, but lycan is a good lynch too now that I understand why more (but it is all abstract to me since I'm not "IN IT" like the bunch of you are, I will trust The DEO though)

I do think probably at least 1 scum would get on the RM wagon early because they knew it was a likely lynch going into the Day

now it's been abandoned and it's going to be harder to tell who is where or what now, for me anyway I guess

lycan likely scum and so she'll be easier lynch tomorrow, that makes sense

The DEO - with trusting you and you having waaayyyy more experience and insight into JR and KC, I would like to (with my own reads and views still being formed along side) pre-announce my deference to you when it comes to reading them as the game goes

okie, no reason to delay then I suppose

UNVOTE: RachMarie
VOTE: LycanFire

[drealmerz7]

I like brains more than deference. Sheeping is bad.

-- Math

cool, then I won't sheep, I'll just listen to you and continue with my own view, that is better always anyway - not sure I ever sheeped

I guess it was more important that I express my uncertainty there and that I'm relying on you for a little help

[drealmerz7]

being exposed, so to speak...

[drealmerz7]

I've used similar rhetoric previously multiple times

[drealmerz7]

showing ppl my precious bits, and other various things

[drealmerz7]

uhh I'm just talking

[drealmerz7]

oo, I'm king scum! that sounds like fun!

I can read/respond more in depth /more approriately to all of that later when I actually sit down and focus on mafia (if someone hasn't hammered by then) - I did a skim and saw that and got a kick is all~

[drealmerz7]

you fucking people! seriously!?

I didn't really want to move my vote in the first place and thought I was doing the cooperative towny thing by joining on a wagon I was comfortable with but not my preference by far and now this shit...

UNVOTE: LycanFire
VOTE: RachMarie

not fucking moving it again

[drealmerz7]

we have to work together, please

[drealmerz7]

if both scum (which I find pretty fucking likely), is there 1 that makes tactical sense to lynch first?

[drealmerz7]

omg you all make me nuts

let's do it this way:

EBWOP -

you fucking people! seriously!?

I didn't really want to move my vote in the first place and thought I was doing the cooperative towny thing by joining on a wagon I was comfortable with but not my preference by far and now this shit...

(breakthequotetag to make sure it takes):

UNVOTE: RachMarie
VOTE: Lycan

not fucking moving it again[/quote] (keep old endquote tag)

[drealmerz7]

respectively? cause I was about to vote RM, haha

I like vote hoping these two wagons

IT'S FUN!

[drealmerz7]

ummmm to switch or not to switch....

guess I'll think on it a bit more, I hate wearing flipflops

[drealmerz7]

hoppity hop

UNVOTE: LycanFire
VOTE: boring

tell me when I should move back

[drealmerz7]

I don't even know which I'm voting for atm

still quite sure both are scum

lycan's wagon was at L-1 for a while with no hammer, the only way scum don't hammer that? if the wagon already has ALL THE SCUM on it, or it is scum

only 1 of those really makes sense: lycan is scum

soooo....we just need to WORK TOGETHER to decide who to lynch first

if the lover claim is real, it makes sense to lynch lycan first, right?

The DEO can you re-evaluate the boring slot in light of what they said about how RM was playing and tell us if you find that buyable?

[drealmerz7]

it's scared scum. they want to hammer but didn't know why i felt detached from making myself appear townie or why i chose to attack jaereed for placing a vote on me opposed to engaging him. drealmerz7 speculated about my role in post #1311 and concluded that he thought i was a bomb.

still catching up but lycan is looking to be jester or bomb possibly with how he's playing

interesting how 3p was more likely than mafia to him, though. and how only mafia speculate things like this.

I didn't "conclude" anything. I was catching up on the thread and that thought hit my head and I wanted to share it ASAP because I wasn't caught up and wasn't sure where things were at. I didn't see the scum motivation in what you were doing. Thanks for pointing it out though, obviously you decided play that way to shake/disuade votes, and not because you were actually trying to get killed.

I mean, you're essentially arguing that I convinced my scumbuddies not to hammer you because you were a self-destructive 3p. So who not on your wagon at your L-1 period are my scumbuddies then? And you really think that 1 line about the potentiality of your role was enough convincing? I wasn't even convinced. And what about now? I'm an advocate of your lynch. You think I, as scum, panicked so hard that you were a 3p we didn't want to kill and blabbed a line to prevent your lynch then decided "oh no nevermind, just a towny, let's continue the push" ?

I just don't follow any of your thinking, and then it's like "oh, well, ya, obvi-scum, that is why, he's just throwing shit around to see what sticks"

I don't suppose any of you would be surprised to see me:

UNVOTE: boring
VOTE: Lycanfire

let's just get this done already, can we?

[drealmerz7]

...the best use of my role is baiting an nk. anyone can do vca. i wasn't rushing to prove my town status was something i was doing as far back as day 1. i was hoping if scum knew i was playing conservatively they'd shoot me. voting without a given reason is a tell too. ...

as far back as D1? it's D2...

and now you've just given up on baiting the NK or anything and...what is your strategy here?

flail more

[drealmerz7]

this Day

seems rather long

my thumb is going to be fused up my butt if we keep dillydallying

[drealmerz7]

snailing along to a no-lynch?

[drealmerz7]

I think we have 2 scumwagons and just NEED TOWN TO COORDINATE ON WHICH ONE

[drealmerz7]

That's what scum want.

Us to not be sure anymore and to go elsewhere.

That's how I'm feeling. They're just sitting around waiting for everyone to get frustrated, attempt another wagon, and then they'll help push that one right on through (assuming it's not another scum!)

[drealmerz7]

UNVOTE: lycanfire
VOTE: boring

hopphophophophop

this is really fucking annoying, people

[drealmerz7]

you mean we get to find out if Deimos is lurking scum helplessly watching his 2 buddies get beat up or is a flake-out? (or a lurking scum who was helplessly watching his 2 buddies get beat up and intentionally falked out?)

[drealmerz7]

scum double-voter balanced by off-days of voting

HE CAN'T BUS HIS PARTNER TODAY AHAHHA!!

totally kidding though you're my top TR, GE

[drealmerz7]

so you are figuring the lover claim is fake, JR? I have my doubts as well, with the no-voter and double-voter who can't vote? seems rough...but, then, I guess I shouldn't put it past RC from what I understand

[drealmerz7]

I meant loved obviously

EVERYONE

on the point of RM!!!!

now that the game I was JUST SCUM WITH HER finished, I can fucking talk about it/her

she did the exact same shit in that game she did here

at the exact same time as she was doing it in this game - I couldn't call it out at the time obviously but, I am SO SURE she (the slot) is scum

GAHHH it's all sooo gigantic and obvious to me because it all just happened

go look at the game

and when The DEO says "she'd give SOMETHING as town to try and help town" it makes it all even more clearer to me

I don't doubt her issues committing to playing, the issue comes with how she dealt with it - scumslidingby - no doubt

[drealmerz7]

oh, that is White Queens hydra - RachMarie + ms marangal (who wasn't even around for the hydra for a good portion I think, it was mostly RM trying to do what she could to have to do as little as possible)

[drealmerz7]

no, that's not what I fucking said, way to obvi-misrep and discount and devalue my points, though

we've found the other scumbuddy then, excellent

let's finish this thing

[drealmerz7]

did you even attempt to consider the things I said or look at anything?

[drealmerz7]

go tothe point in time in the game that coincides with this game

no she didn't replace

she played exactly as she played here, scummy as hell but with enough excuses and lack of involvement that she was allowed to (very stupidly) live

I was scum with her there

I am town here

and when her things were happening at the same time with my different knowledge in each game and the view that allowed me I could clearly see what she was doing here for what it was - I think she even knew it but because the game was active knew I couldn't do dick about it - and now she's out of here where I can't address it with her and she can't talk about it or anything - scummmmmm

seriously, I have NO DOUBT, man - it's just like some weird coincidental game-going on shit where I was able to get a unique perspective on it all - I've got the inside knowledge or something I feel like, but don't know how to articulate it as well as I'd like, I admit

[drealmerz7]

sure, but I am off to make dinner and watch a movie (and maybe sleep because I am beat) so it will have to wait until a bit later (well before there are 24 hours left in the Day at this point)

[drealmerz7]

oh, that is White Queens hydra - RachMarie + ms marangal (who wasn't even around for the hydra for a good portion I think, it was mostly RM trying to do what she could to have to do as little as possible)

Didn't Wis state Mara was posting more?

I don't exactly know? was it a guess by him? can you find where?

I will do as mhsmith asked regarding RM/WQ, just a busy day here (and I'm working on finishing my mininormal stuff to submit to nexus!)

[drealmerz7]

ugh, smith, anyone else, are you going to be upset if I don't get the digging done today?

I will make it priority and do it right now if you really want it, but I'd just prefer to spend my time else where. especially since I'm damn convinced they're scum and even so I'm not sure what my doing all of that is going to help at this point

[drealmerz7]

I still WANT to do it, I just, don't want to do it

if that makes sense?

[drealmerz7]

I still WANT to do it, I just, don't want to do it

if that makes sense?

well, if she's scum I don't think that it really matters. if she's not scum, then if you're around tomorrow you'll need to back up that meta read you made with something to demonstrate that it was substantive.

no doubt, and specifically why I used the term "today" (I

am

banking on the scumflip to save myself the trouble)

if I thought it'd help make a case against her and push her through, be sure I'd be doing it

[drealmerz7]

I doubt I would have said she was acting "weird" - but I really don't remember much of the details from reading her on D1 at this point, I jsut remember the generals of it now, would have to go back and look

are you having any specific issues with me/my play, or what? can you be direct with me, lycan?

anyway, if I were to say she was acting weird that just opens for "how is she acting weird"

and I couldn't say much because we were in an active game that was giving me the opinion of the weird - if you're getting shiftiness or whatever you seem to be implying about me around RM, it is because I COULDN'T TALK ABOUT HER AT THE TIME as I would have liked, yeeesh!

I don't recall saying the flipflopping was confusing, so much as at at least one point I couldn't remember where my vote was (probably had to dig for a VC and then see if I'd changed my vote since the VC) - you didn't say anything about it at the time, why are you bringing it up now?

yes, it was in-thread communication, with the rest of you expressing myself and how I felt about what I was doing - it's all I can do

way to try and paint me scummy though

would you hammer your buddy now, please?

[drealmerz7]

RM isn't an original thought of yours. why are you trying so hard to justify your vote now?

who is trying hard to justify which vote?

wow, you're badscum, eh?

[drealmerz7]

no, you're misrepping all over, I can't engage with that

I suggest you either go back and read or stop trying to implicate me because you're bad at it

[drealmerz7]

haha, that's rather pathetic, it

address me with something conrete

grab a quote, show me what your issue with it is

play mafia?

[drealmerz7]

shit-slinging is not mafia-playing

[drealmerz7]

*yawn*

[drealmerz7]

what's the question?

why didn't I indicate I thought RM was scum? I did -

so then is your issue that my viewing her as scum didn't happen FIRST before any single other player viewed her as scum? and that in my view I saw what others were seeing and that is scummy why?

can you actually quote anything referencing wherever you are actually taking issue?

is it simply my vote on boring you are taking issue with? like, you need to read and comprehend what you read to understand it, yes, I can't hold your brain through that comprehension

but it is all there in the thread

[drealmerz7]

interesting that someone with no personal read of their own can't explain their claimed personal read. it's almost like it didn't exist and there's nothing you can point to.

ohman yeah, you're just scum - obviously I did these things and you're just taunting me for whatever reason

done with you

bye bye

lynch your buddy

don't

it's all on you

[drealmerz7]

uhhh I could have not said anything about it at all and we'd probably still be here at L-1

lycan, you are terrible at being scum, stop trying, you're getting lynched tomorrow

[drealmerz7]

maybe I'm the vig?

[drealmerz7]

you're just one giant fallacy after another, eh?

are you even aware of yourself, or do you just like GOGOGOGO and don't look?

you're like a pokemon go player walking off a ledge - you think you've got what you're looking for right in front of you, but, you're not looking right in front of you and your steps are leading you no where good (scum or town - my read is bad scum)

[drealmerz7]

you're digging at absolutely nothing

it's exhausting

good luck with that

[drealmerz7]

you've been striking me as town up until lately, you've gotten a little weird, I don't know what is up with it

However, I can absolutely say that the feel and read I have on you here is completely different than it was in that game, but I can't say that that is because of your alignment. and I have to say that it comes with a HUGE caveat that I wasn't even exactly sure when it was you posting and when it wasn't you, because of it being a hydra - was most of it you?

I will also say (since it's now a subject of convo and, hey, that game just ended) that even though you[r hydra] gave me scumpings consistently through the game, it was dismissable enough in your ramblings and other goings on in the thread that I didn't peg you til the near end of my life (which admitedly is because I didn't do a re-read until I was L-1, and poor play on my part), and at that point it was too late to come off of BTD (since I knew he needed to be lynched and not me I knew if I waffled from him to elsewhere that I was definitely doomed)

I don't know how I would be able to tell that you're town here based on that game with such certainty, can you explain that to me (you seem to think I should find it obvious? I simply don't, even if the tones are different.)

[drealmerz7]

...I have never believed in wearing wool clothing and going "BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH"

~~ Math

note: MB is not a furry

[drealmerz7]

*takes it to the game* (bad form, sorry)

The DEO is not a furry, I wonder if they submitted it as an option and it got denied

note: however, they would not have chosen to be a sheepfurry!

oh we already non-claimed eh?

damn

backtothescumhunt!

ohlook, lycan - says I never showed cause to vote RM (not true), himself I don't think has show much if any suspicion on that slot and has been pretty hard railing against the wagon - goes and votes the slot "is it too late for the towncred?" yes, yes it is

[drealmerz7]

your play is definitely vastly different yepyep

and you are one of my townier reads here, no doubt!

it's like:

town
GE
The DEO

townlean
you


everyone else less townlean or more null->scumleans or pure scum (lycan)

[drealmerz7]

here I think what has gotten a little weird was just in the past stretch leading up to the inevitable hammer

like you got cold feet, but, it didn't sit well at all and seemed like it might be more than that, I think smith was sensing it too

[drealmerz7]

yeah yeah, I wasn't asking you to reexplain, you asked what got weird with you, I was telling: just that really

[drealmerz7]

my immediate thought upon seeing the flip was that it was janitored (I've been in a couple games with janitors, no flips, and whatnot, in the past year) - I actually was in a game where a hammerer power could make the flip go VT, also have seen janitors on wagons able to clean the flip of the wagon they are on, couple other janitors/no flip situations. Then when I looked at it again I was thinking maybe it was just a neutral flip?? - I've waffled a bit and think I'm set on it being a cleaned flip

question then becomes whether RM/boring was town or scum, and if we should try to come to a group decision about that or if it is helpful to even try to - I'm still pretty set that she was scum and scum janitor used their ability on a scumbuddy to sew confusion, but, there's no knowing I think - don't want to distract convo. with it if it's not useful, just sharing thoughts

also, smith, do you want me to dig on that stuff about RM/WQ since we don't have a confirmed scumflip? - fucking no flip, I swear I fucking hate no flips with a passion I wish I could convince myself it was just neutral

[drealmerz7]

The DEO, you are just scumreading me for those vote waffles? anything else? because I don't get that at all

you were present yesterday...

those were 2 wagons I was very comfortable with and...well...I shouldn't need to repeat how all of that went, was pretty sure my positions were clear. It was ridiculous that it went on so much and we couldn't organize together

I felt like I was trying to rally town onto either of two wagons if anything, but, more just wanted to get one of them finished it drew out WAYY TOO LONG, it was way more difficult than it needed to be - was driving me nuts a bit.

I really don't get your SR on me, I thought we were seeing eye to eye, you were okay with it when I was doing it yesterday, and also seemed to want both lynches

elaboration appreciated because yeah I don't get your vote on me like that at all

[drealmerz7]

Why was it more difficult than it needed to be?

Why the reluctance after I said we're lynching RachMarie?

what reluctance?!
quote please, but, really, I thought I expressed myself effectively yesterday when it was all going on and you re-hashing it now seems really odd and I don't know why you didn't express something at the time

but, yes, please, quote what your actual issues with me arise from or, elaborate more than one liners like this that don't really get into what you mean

[drealmerz7]

FUCKING STOP!!!!!!!!!!!

DO NOT CAST A VOTE WITHOUT A CASE

PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN TO PLAY MAFIA

creature, tell us why

zefiend, that is a weakass shitcase, and it's not that I don't have potential agreements with you, but you need to make your case and not just say buzzwords - I strongarm as town, I strongarm as scum - what specific examples from The DEO strike you as scum-strongarming, and why?

The DEO, I've already asked for elaboration on the vote on me and await it

[drealmerz7]

and by bad I guess you mean scum?

[drealmerz7]

LOOK, I'm done figuring out everyone's cases for them when I see a vote

deimos was scum? fine, I'm not making this post to agree or disagree, I'm making this post to tell you need to elaborate YOUR VIEW

so I can see it for sure instead of just be like "well if they think deimos was scum then this must be why because obviously he sucked in the couple posts he made"

BUT YOU NEED TO SHOW ME HOW YOUR BRAIN WORKED TO GET THE VIEW

[drealmerz7]

Yes, like staying out of the thread and not voting RachMarie/boring.

excellent, see, this is simple,

and I could deduce even that these were some of your points, but I shouldn't have to assume them and you shouldn't assume we assume them correctly

all should be in the practice of readily sharing these things, no matter how obvious or simple

[drealmerz7]

do you believe any of their "oops was on vacation" stuff? or do you think it was BS excuses through and through?

[drealmerz7]

I'm just asking for elaboration of your view - it shouldn't be like pulling teeth

try to do it in a single post too, ease of putting your case together for others, less clutter in the thread

[drealmerz7]

respond to my points

[drealmerz7]

it has nothing to do with creature's alignment and everything to do with helping town build a picture so we can work together on seeing which views of the picture are accurate

[drealmerz7]

I think I will VOTE: Dreamerz

I don't like how he didn't immediately vote KTS when he scum read him. He also admitted he is OK with policy lynching. And I don't exactly like that.

That's why you ISO random people

I'm scum because I didn't vote my scum read as quickly as you wanted me to??

you mean when I was like 20 pages behind catching up and didn't just toss out a vote without knowing what the vote count was?

or, what DO you mean? can you please point out what exactly you're talking about so I can address it? thanks

where would you have liked my immediacy vote? pinpoint it, say "here is where he should have voted, but didn't, and it is scummy because ______" and then you fill in the blank

[drealmerz7]

zefiend likely scum very much it is seeming, but will wait to see what he says when he's "at a computer"

[drealmerz7]

You need to adapt to playstyles other than your own.

I play with many different people with many different playstyles, the thing is, THEY KNOW HOW TO PLAY.

it's not about playstyle, and knowing basic concepts of mafia

anyway...zefiend is just trying to AtE some votes on me

[drealmerz7]

but about

knowing basic concepts of mafia

basic concepts of the game:

everyone is trying to convince everyone else that they're Town or is at least trying to appear to be doing so

Town is a team trying to work together towards a common goal which is to find scum and kill them, this is how your team wins

in order to help your team win you must work together to find scum, so let us work together to find scum

how do we do that? well, we all have different perspectives and see different things about what is going on, much of which is inaccurate - we're all trying to see the same picture through an ever-changing fog and one of us catches this little snip of clarity and someone else catches a little snippet of clarity, and those all get mixed into our other snippets of fog - then we start sharing all of our snippets "I saw this and this and this and I think I saw this and this" and someone else says "well I saw it like this and this and then there was this and this and I think what you say in that one this is actually this because I saw a part of that too but I also saw this other stuff" - and we all do that, and it ALLLL gets put out there and then we go "so which of this looks like these are the true clarity pieces and which of them are wrong" - and we kill each other and get clarity and grow more clarity hopefully from it, until hopefully finally we figure out what it really looks like through the fog

BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT if people aren't sharing what they see and how they see it - it's not teamwork and that's anti-town, simple as that

why would you want to be anti-town? you want to help your team win, or at least appear to be doing so, so just don't do it

be pro-town, don't be afraid of being wrong, that is the nature of the game, you're not going to be right more often than you're wrong most of the time and your ego needs to be okay with that and just focus on the task at hand

I'm not going to ADAPT to people's ANTI-TOWN playstyles as town, ever, it's SHITTY PLAY and unnecessarily lazy shitty play too

[drealmerz7]

perhaps I did it to see if you try to use it as a distraction or if you actually keep focus and do what you said you were going to do?

which we're waiting for, you at a computer now? is it coming? do you even know what you're looking for in support of your strong-man argument?

[drealmerz7]

I kinda want to see where zef vs dreal goes

me too...
zefiend, ever find a computer? really anxious to hear your case against The DEO...

I figure another day and then he gets my vote...

[drealmerz7]

my thought was that he was actually checking zefiend more than titus with that

[drealmerz7]

I'm not as interested in zefiend after he did the work (definitely keeping an eye since he was not on that boring wagon and his presence has been minimal to an uncomfortable degree, which of course D1 can't beheld against him for) - was wary of him just being scum trying to get a push on someone he knew was towny that he feared / figured a lot of people fear and would work with that fear and see if he could get a successful push-start to a bad wagon, but now I can at least see more of where he is coming for and how it is valid in his view.

I'm starting to get a little paranoid too actually because when I go back and look at The DEO ISO, there is obvious buddying to me (thread mason-buddies talk even, which really put me off at first and then I squelched the put-off because, but, I think it is back...), and it looks like on D1 they were pushing pushing that SS lynch hard until it didn't go through and then they gave up and started going after RM, but then I showed up to the thread (late and behind) and re-invigorated the SS wagon (without having even been caught-up to where RM had been scumming up the thread), and then they were all about it.

I'm starting to feel again like I did after the KTS flip and feeling like The DEO was just using me as cover.

[drealmerz7]

if you were scum, who do you think the next ML would be to set up?

[drealmerz7]

just wondering who you think the most likely ML is at this point

I'm with you I have too many TRs and not really sure where to go

[drealmerz7]

assessment on zefiend's push on that slot then if it is most likely ML?

[drealmerz7]

wow, I was trying to figure out how to make those points and you did it waayyyy better than my attempt, smith

*deletes attempt*

[drealmerz7]

since Lycan should not have been the nightkill

Or it was a vig and the nightkill failed?

I like this idea

[drealmerz7]

ok I killed lycan with my vig shot

I have never had a vig shot before and wasn't sure about outing it, especially since I was wrong with it

[drealmerz7]

I almost said right away when confusion about it arose but...I dunno...still not sure telling was the right move, actually :\

[drealmerz7]

I was thinking if he was the lynch I'd shoot boring or if boring was the lynch I'd shoot lycan

and then he said "what if I'm the vig" and well that was that after boring was lynched

[drealmerz7]

I also have a bit of a scumlean on JR now - seems like he's been trying to figure out what happened to the NK

[drealmerz7]

like "were we redirected or was it a vig. shot and we were blocked wtf happened?!?!?!"

[drealmerz7]

ummm, she kind of thread-mason-buddied me D1 and we were a bit of a joint force on SS/KTS and RM/boring (to a degree)

just laying out the facts

[drealmerz7]

watch it, spuddy! calling me a potato!? is that your way of saying I'm starchy? *cries*

[drealmerz7]

what you did in another game and what you do here only matters as far as comparitive information, it doesn't MEAN anything necessarily

what means more to me is that it struck me that you were being a little fishy (in both senses of the word here) around the lycan kill, almost a little frantic it seemed? and considering I kind of said I was going to kill him, it adds to the fishyness of it that you didn't 'let it be' a bit more

I'm not saying YOU'RE SCUM because of it, but, it's definitely notable and I'd like other ppl's views on it (me having made the kill and knowing what happened with lycan gives me an entirely different view than the rest of you so I might be seeing more than is actually there?)

[drealmerz7]

creeps, kuroi

contribute

[drealmerz7]

how is gamma lynchbait?

definitely looking forward to a more thorough catchup, kuroi

[drealmerz7]

I have a few at least completed games with him and I've never seen him as lynchbaity

[drealmerz7]

that's not so helpful

dig deeper if you can

give me MORE

[drealmerz7]

GUESS WHO IS CATCHING UP ON FLAVOUR!?

Flavor?

The flavor is everything, and nothing.[/quote]
one more comment without content from this slot and he's getting my vote

[drealmerz7]

kuroi you've made nothing but empty posts

either DON'T FUCKING POST

OR POST SOME FUCKING CONTENT

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: kuroixhf

[drealmerz7]

I'm going to post content

it'll be there when I have time

I swear

no I will

just wait

hey I will!

there will be content!

that's the majority of your posts

[drealmerz7]

replace out if you don't have time or
FUCKING PLAY THE GAME

we're sitting on our asses in this game it's fucking ridiculous and part of it is is because PEOPLE AREN'T POSTING

[drealmerz7]

If you have time to fluffpost you have time to say something game-related.

That is false, since it takes more time to analyze the game and thousands of posts than it takes to respond to one post.

@Drealmerz: I'm going to start ignoring you. Vote me or don't vote me, but if you can stop yelling that'd be great. And if you could get some hemorrhoid cream, perhaps you might be more at ease.

I'LL FUCKING YELL IF I WANT TO

DON'T FUCKING MAKE ANOTHER FUCKING POST UNLESS IT HAS SOME FUCKING CONTENT

[drealmerz7]

"bwaahhhh I don't have time"

FUCK OFF WITH THAT SHIT, MAN

replace out or PLAY THE FUCKING GAME

[drealmerz7]

dreal please stop. Kuroi isn't going to be swayed to cooperate by you shouting at him.

maybe if you yelled at him too

and evyerone else

STOP PUTTING UP WITH SHIT PLAY, THAT IS HOW PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH IT

PUT YOUR FUCKING FOOT DOWN AND SAY NOOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE

[drealmerz7]

[quote="In post 2037, KuroiXHF"][/quote]

KUROI TELL ME ONE THOUGHT YOU HAVE ABOUT ANYTHING GAME-RELATED

JUST ONE FUCKING THING

CAN YOU DO THAT?

CAN YOU DO IT?!?!?!?!?!

[drealmerz7]

dreal please stop. Kuroi isn't going to be swayed to cooperate by you shouting at him.

he's not going to cooperate if I don't either

SO LET ME VENT SOME FRUSTRATION AT SHIT-PLAY

thanks

[drealmerz7]

I didn't think so

just vote this worthless slot

it's gotta be scum who has learned they can get away with shit-play like this because no one gives a fuck

[drealmerz7]

you can dig cames

but you can't post content

bullfuckingshit, scumsack

[drealmerz7]

votes and Day over please

[drealmerz7]

I'd appreciate it if you didn't call me a scumsack. It's quite sexually connotated.

only in your brain, scumsack

what's that say about your brain? I don't know, but, I'm just calling you scumsack because you're scum

[drealmerz7]

and so you must not be scum

wow

water-tight case for yourself there

*sarcasm*

[drealmerz7]

and what means did you have there?

fingers, keyboard, and forum posting, right?

[drealmerz7]

it's an okay point of discussion that isn't too distracting, imo, postie

a good portion of the people talking about meta and it's use for analyzing don't even understand what matters where or anything really about it as far as I see most of the time

it matters as far as behavioral analysis, not reading habits and patterns of habits or whatever - a good portion of players aren't even self-aware enough about how they're playing to describe their own meta correctly or even actually have one

[drealmerz7]

I don't have much of a meta, but I realized a HUGE tell in mine earlier

the thing is

you have to have played 10 games with me to even begin to possibly be able to see it

[drealmerz7]

sure, not arguing against that at all, I can see that potentiality

but what it does for me is reiterate the point about kuroi and how his "this is what I'd do as scum" is meaningless - it's not about the "meta stuff" at that point, it's about "what you're doing is not really doing anything" (other than looking to me like he's TRYING to do something)

regardless, this is all good, because it's something!