In post 228, Titus wrote:Yeah, I was technically posting elsewhere. I don't see a town Postie ignoring that without good cause or at least a comment.
In post 230, Postie wrote:
If you went mysteriously absent in the middle of the game I might have been concerned, but things were just getting started, so I thought you hadn't gotten round to this game yet or something.
In post 233, Titus wrote:On what date did you find out I was Virtue?
In post 235, Postie wrote:When you changed from Virtue to your main in Mini 1762.
I don't know the exact date but I can look it up if you need me to.
So you knew I was an alt, highlighted I was an alt, tried to imply being an alt is scummy, and then completely forgot about me in the game?
Idk it probably sounds less ridiculous out of the context of the flow of the game, but essentially Titus pushed my lynch based on "town!Postie wouldn't have failed to notice and point out I wasn't posting a lot". Something of note about the alt thing and Titus implying I'd implied it was scummy is that that first post was an RVS joke and oh god thanks I'm totally paranoid of DEO now.
I do agree Titus is usually a bit more subdued as scum though.
I'm not as interested in zefiend after he did the work (definitely keeping an eye since he was not on that boring wagon and his presence has been minimal to an uncomfortable degree, which of course D1 can't beheld against him for) - was wary of him just being scum trying to get a push on someone he knew was towny that he feared / figured a lot of people fear and would work with that fear and see if he could get a successful push-start to a bad wagon, but now I can at least see more of where he is coming for and how it is valid in his view.
I'm starting to get a little paranoid too actually because when I go back and look at The DEO ISO, there is obvious buddying to me (thread mason-buddies talk even, which really put me off at first and then I squelched the put-off because, but, I think it is back...), and it looks like on D1 they were pushing pushing that SS lynch hard until it didn't go through and then they gave up and started going after RM, but then I showed up to the thread (late and behind) and re-invigorated the SS wagon (without having even been caught-up to where RM had been scumming up the thread), and then they were all about it.
I'm starting to feel again like I did after the KTS flip and feeling like The DEO was just using me as cover.
Gamma does not feel like the other games I've played with him and he seems way more cautious today that the previous day.
VOTE: gamma
How am I different?
BTW I'm more cautious since p much all my SRs have flipped town, and my last one I'm having doubts about.
As for "too many TRs", if you really think it's a scum thing do you think I'd announce it? No, I'd make up some new scumreads. There's plenty of lynches to support, as scum I could easily find another townie to ML.
<Embrace The Void>
“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”
In post 1965, Gamma Emerald wrote:Looks like scum painting it as unfounded, when the concern was most definitely real.
Who's concern? DEO's?
UNVOTE:
What part is more likely to come from scum than from town unfamiliar with either DEO head?
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
^ Just the part that he's trying to say it's unfounded?
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
In post 1915, Gamma Emerald wrote:So just the use os PL as a reason?
I felt it was a strong case, and SS's rage kinda felt like scum caught for the wrong reason.
What?
DEO's reason was that SS's reason was a PL. It was not. It was clarified as a joke, interpreted as a joke by multiple people; the self-meta was questioned -- and still DEO carried on for over 20 pages.
A TvT situation would have been like:
"PL lynch Titus! She's always scum!"
"Are you seriously suggesting that?"
"No, it was a joke!"
<game continues>
Instead DEO took control of the game.
Let's note this is Titus and MathBlade we're talking about here. I KNOW Math is a tunneler as town, and Titus likely believed the PL thing was valid. I've seen people use tells like "people who suggest PLs are scum" as town as major case builders.
btw both point I make here are based in the same game.
I'm not saying that building a case around someone wanting to PL you is invalid.
I'm saying that SS didn't actually want that, and DEO(Titus) ran with it too long and too forcefully, against the concerns of others.
Real concern doesn't last 20 pages. That is called the manifestation of pigeon-holing: using gross misrepresentation in combination with relentless tunneling.
And the pigeon-holing concept is what mhsmith and others who are trying to turn this into a meta debate don't understand: I don't care if someone "usually tunnels as Town" or "is more reserved as scum"-- Titus has played enough games that there's always going to be counterexamples. What I care about is the nature of actions perpetrated in THIS game.
The soft defense of Titus by Gamma is interesting when you consider that SS was also scum-reading him (and voting at one point). I would like to know Titus's opinion on this.
I'm also wondering why JaeReed abandoned our dialogue. What happened to all the wallpost?
You mean the reaction of trying at least five time to clarify that his comment was a joke? Towards the end, Titus was pushing SS for lack of reads, but the majority of the time it was in reference to the PL; let's take note of the length of game-time:
In post 110, Shadow_step wrote:Nah, I wanted to PL Titus because she rolls scum a lot. Which was a joke. People here don't have a sense of humour.
Yeah,
the last guys who claimed joke were scum too
. Why wait until you were wagoned to claim joke?
In post 120, The DEO wrote:Not being scared of being wagoned is not an answer of why you did something.
Why did you wait to claim
the policy lynch
was a joke on me until you were wagoned?
In post 171, The DEO wrote:Because double voters are almost always Town.
You're scum because
you tried to policy lynch me
and claim sarcasm afterward but only did so after you were wagoned.
Then you just beg for someone else to lynch instead of yourself and aren't hunting.
It is like you aren't even trying.
The real question isn't why you are scum. It is how could you ever be town?
Oh and Grandma Shadow is right on one thing. Reasons are good.
In post 224, Shadow_step wrote:I've explained it already.
I have no idea how town reacts to a hated claim like- "can we make you unhated?"
It's like role fishing + awkward scum who doesn't know how to react.
Oh but
selling a "policy lynch" on me
after that point was a joke right?
Nah, you meant it. Then you got caught in a meta tell. Rather than asking me to prove it, you cried joke.
I can grow an extra person, so him being unhateable isn't ridiculous. It's also not a rolefish in the binary.
In post 419, Grib wrote:Because RadiantCowbells is probably town.
And... town never vote town?
-townpoints for only responding to this part, btw.
Minus townpoints for only responding to the part that explained why you thought I was scum - the answer to the question I asked btw - rather than the bit explaining why RadiantCowbells is town. Riiiiight.
In post 419, Grib wrote:Because RadiantCowbells is probably town.
And... town never vote town?
Let's see if that's the case here!
What do you think of my proposed town perspective for his vote on Titus in comparison with your reasoning? Which is more likely?
Cowbells isn't scared of a Titus tunnel on him. He has faced a full-on Titus tunnel before and come out unscathed (and his replacement proceeded to win the game for our scumteam btw).
He only came out unscathed by causing massive amounts of drama, painting my read as just sour grapes and making sure everyone ignored me after I wasn't playing.
Still came out unscathed after a full-on Titus tunnel, point still stands. RadiantCowbells trust in his ability enough to not be scared.
In post 433, Titus wrote:You open by stating a statement you know isn't true (implied Titus is always scum) then buddying while ignoring me.
Man, scumreading me for making jokes. Wish that was the first time I'd seen this.
Again, show the buddying. Also, considering I've replied to at least one of your posts (even if it wasn't regarding your wagon on me) isn't ignoring you. Also, it seems awfully demanding for you to expect me to constantly talk to you even if you're not directly addressing me when there are a good 18 players.
In post 419, Grib wrote:And boasting about being undefeated scum also feels like something town would do, because. They don't care about looking bad for bragging about how great they are at being scum (as that could prompt other people to doubt their townread on them in this game).
RadiantCowbells always brags about their play. It's hardly alignment indicative.
Still don't see it. I mean, I see the thing about the joke, but I don't think it's fair to say that complaining about being scumread for a joke is alignment indicative because one person has done it before as scum.
This particular
"joke" when done by three separate people onto me has been scum 3 times
and town zero. The behavior and tone matches here.
and get hyper defensive about it. Only once has that comment been made by town on me, and he's a trollster. The three I quoted were trying to fit me for a noose at the time of their "jokes". At the time of Blackest Magic, he started chainsawing for LQ who was his buddy. Mastina was pushing me to throw me off. Davsto was just obvious scum freaking out, like here.
In post 419, The DEO wrote:He only claimed joke after being wagoned. It is clear he
wanted me to be lynched
and was hoping to let his vote sit.
And thanks for the scum slip of we. You and SS would do this because the longer I am in the game the more likely I wreck your scumteam with VCA. I have to go do lawyer things now.
In post 563, Shadow_step wrote:Will you grow a bloody brain already ?
How the hell do you think those interactions make sense if I knew Deo=Titus.
Plus if I knew that why would I comment about PLing "Titus" and not "Deo* ?
Those interactions only make sense if you knew I was DEO.
I was the DEO account and announced I was. Titus and DEO were interchangeable names.
You said my read appeared to be fake, and immediately
pushed policy lynching me
.
If you actually claimed to have a scumread on DEO, you would have read my posts. Either you lied about your scumread or reading posts.
In post 612, Shadow_step wrote:Remind me to never join a game with Titus in it. Useless tunnel fucking moron.
That would be Supergirl's alias Titus's sibling MathBlade. Man does that sibling know how to tunnel badly.
Here there is evidence that you are scum. Not just sometimes "gut" MathBlade starts with. That sibling needs a firm talking to in their communication skills. You could either call MathBlade a useless tunnel fucking moron or a useful tunnel fucking genius but that is definitely not Supergirl.
Without hope of actually convincing the others you are town after
trying to policy lynch
the alien sent here to help you, you have switched to insults. Boooo. Bad scum.
In post 587, drealmerz7 wrote:he clearly doesn't know to play mafia and only knows how to stir shit and talk shit
ignore him
Hi scum.
@Titus - Dreal is scum. Look at his activity to other games until I called it out. Look at how he's pushing, he's scum looking for issues rather than town looking for scum.
So move off Shadow who is town and vote Dreal, thanks!
No. Drealmerz is town.
SS is scum that is caught lying
in the thread. Drealmerz activity across games in consistent. Dude, you are agency captured.
So between game-time 27 and 601, the crux of Titus' case revolves around the PL comment.
In post 1915, Gamma Emerald wrote:So just the use os PL as a reason?
I felt it was a strong case, and SS's rage kinda felt like scum caught for the wrong reason.
What?
DEO's reason was that SS's reason was a PL. It was not. It was clarified as a joke, interpreted as a joke by multiple people; the self-meta was questioned -- and still DEO carried on for over 20 pages.
A TvT situation would have been like:
"PL lynch Titus! She's always scum!"
"Are you seriously suggesting that?"
"No, it was a joke!"
<game continues>
Instead DEO took control of the game.
Let's note this is Titus and MathBlade we're talking about here. I KNOW Math is a tunneler as town, and Titus likely believed the PL thing was valid. I've seen people use tells like "people who suggest PLs are scum" as town as major case builders.
btw both point I make here are based in the same game.
In post 1970, ɀefiend wrote:So between game-time 27 and 601, the crux of Titus' case revolves around the PL comment.
Yes, she kept pushing that point, but the question is, did she do it insincerely?
Like, for comparison, just skim this set of posts from day 1 in rio (wgeurts ["Mysterious Lad"] was scum, while I, Secondhand, soah, etc were all town)
with those three words, pisskop has solidified a town read unto the very core of my soul. I'd explain why but mere mortals cannot fully fathom the depth of my certainty here.
PS there can be only one yellow town player here, and I already have the lemon ninja avatar. Ergo yellow must be a wolf. QED my friend.
And with this post, you've became a scumread.
That's far to premature and this reeks of buddying.
Titus wrote:
soah wrote:
Titus wrote:
mhsmith wrote:"tell us more"
with those three words, pisskop has solidified a town read unto the very core of my soul. I'd explain why but mere mortals cannot fully fathom the depth of my certainty here.
PS there can be only one yellow town player here, and I already have the lemon ninja avatar. Ergo yellow must be a wolf. QED my friend.
And with this post, you've became a scumread.
That's far to premature and this reeks of buddying.
If that's the post that made you suspicious of him then what's the deal with your other posts about him?
First vote was semi-RVS based on a tell from another player off-site that I don't really value but I wanted to investigate. RVS is good for that.
Titus wrote:That was garbled.
I meant another player off-site uses a tell that I am investigating. By that standard, mhsmith would be scum.
Then, he starts buddying.
Titus wrote:
soah wrote:Also, how sure are you that his last post was not a joke?
A joke claim in RVS = fry him. Pisskop knows this I believe.
Titus wrote:
UpsideDownChuck wrote:
Titus wrote:
soah wrote:Also, how sure are you that his last post was not a joke?
A joke claim in RVS = fry him. Pisskop knows this I believe.
Could you elaborate on what you mean here? If I'm not mistaken soah was asking why you were characterizing mhsmith's post as buddying and not a joke, which I am also interested in.
Jokes that imply scumminess = fry em.
It used to be a certain joke that happened always came from scum. (Namely X always rands scum). In general I don't like jokes that place others in bad lights.
Thor - Was my first town IC
.) Secondhand Revenant - no
.) Royal Ape - no
.) MysteriousLad - fair amount
.) soah - no
.) ljtrigirl - no
.) pisskop - fair anount
.) mhsmith - a couple games
.) spider - no
.) Yellow - no
.) Titus - years of experience
.) UpsideDownChuck - no
.) Azure - sounds familiar but cannot recall
Titus wrote:What's complicated about
if someone says joke in RVS lynch it
so I don't consider the possibility of jokes in RVS that paint someone as scummy?
Like many many words obfuscating the truth
Add in mhsmith triggered a tell someone i highly respect uses
done case closed
Titus wrote:My god. This one of those games.
If someone makes a joke in RVS and that joke throws shade, you lynch the "joker".
A player I respect has a tell that would suggest mhsmith is scum and I want to investigate its validity.
mhsmith is buddying.
What part about that is hard to get?
Titus wrote:) There was no "joke claim", just someone asking me why I didn't consider your posting is a joke. To me, you were throwing shade, so it didn't matter joke or real. So rather than get into a semantic argument over what's a joke, just lynch all jokers who throw shade. That's what's true from games I'm in. I've seen too many "so and so always rands scum" jokes and they flip scum. So I am ignoring the "joke" defense.
Then again, you've answered part of what would qualify. Both you and yellow cannot be town because both yellow. That's a joke. Plus, it throws shade at yellow.
I'm not in the mood to discuss semantics. If it was a joke, it's a scummy RVS joke. If it wasn't a joke, it was throwing shade.
Has your play style changed recently or something?
Little surprised you would even jokingly suggest that.
It's been a year. I have added a little bit of Mollie, Shiro and a hint of DGB (who I believe has the tell on Smith). It might have been Mollie retelling it.
Oh and I wasn't joking. We should lynch smith.
Titus wrote:
Thor wrote:[MENTION="]Titus[/MENTION"] - I will happily compare bad tunneling instances versus you any time - I don't think it's a contest that will change my stance towards your play this last year. Your current push is based on air and you're acting like it's serious and then dishing at people pointing out that it's air. You deserve a scumread.
[MENTION="]Yellow[/MENTION"] - your vote on mhsmith looked pure survival to push the two competing wagons of which you were part of into an mhsmith leading wagon. When you combine that with your lack of real stated reason to suspect him along with no mention of it being a survival oriented vote, it makes your vote look very scum motivated. That's why I think we should flip you.
Royal's reaction to me calling him suspect looks scummy to me. Consider that a stronger read now.
Sora's reaction to my post is a joke - but he can feel free to read up on me all he wants.
MysteriousLad is starting to hug a fence, I'd like to see that change.
If you're town, get out of the way. The student has surpassed the teacher. Just because you don't get it, doesn't mean it's based on air. My push has withstood the litany of scum pushing against it and the counterwagon formed on obviously town Yellow.
I presume you've played with boring. Not a chance they are scum here. Yet, there's a counterwagon on them.
Let's keep it shall we. No butthurt negative reactions.
It maybe recalibrates it on you. Azure can still be evil though - right?
Theoretically, I don't have mod confirmation, but I highly highly doubt it.
Evil does something to save smith.
Titus wrote:Like compare wgeurts asking about the tell to investigate, versus those who just outright attack with no questions.
wgeurts is scumhunting trying to figure out whether I'm blowing hard.
Thor, who has the most experience with the players who I drew my play from, has remained utterly silent.
Titus wrote:
soah wrote:Also, how sure are you that his last post was not a joke?
Take this...
He wants to get most players to dismiss smith as joking and jovial, the very fake tone Smith is attempting to project.
He is hypersensitive so he paints technical errors as scummy.
smith is just scum.
Titus wrote:
soah wrote:
Titus wrote:
soah wrote:Also, how sure are you that his last post was not a joke?
Take this...
He wants to get most players to dismiss smith as joking and jovial, the very fake tone Smith is attempting to project.
He is hypersensitive so he paints technical errors as scummy.
smith is just scum.
So now you're disputing that smith was joking?
And you're calling me a wolf?
This would all be a lot easier if you'd communicate more clearly.
I don't believe in RVS "jokes" that paint people as scummy. That's pretty clear from my posting so far.
I'm suspecting it. Why else are you so desperate to have smith be labeled a joker when he was wildly throwing shade around?
Yeah, let's pretend the reason you're not voting scum is because I didn't communicate clearly.
Titus wrote:If you feel there's something "unsaid" about my smith rationale, you can comment.
smith triggered a tell.
smith is faking a joking attitude.
smith isn't scumhunting.
counterwagon on obvious town.
Done.
Anything about that not clear? or just not clearly attackable?
Titus wrote:
MysteriousLad wrote:Thor and Titus can you please quit attacking each others play if you're town? It just clogs things up and gets us nowhere. Work together, or ignore if you are unable to overlook your differences.
If you're scum, carry on making a good player look less reliable. Give us an easy way to get one scum knocked off our list.
There's no need for this otherwise.
You townreading Thor? To me, he's just chainsawing for Smith.
Titus wrote:
soah wrote:
Titus wrote:I don't believe in RVS "jokes" that paint people as scummy. That's pretty clear from my posting so far.
I'm suspecting it. Why else are you so desperate to have smith be labeled a joker when he was wildly throwing shade around?
Yeah, let's pretend the reason you're not voting scum is because I didn't communicate clearly.
You are changing the timeline here.
You initially attacked smith for buddying, and made no reference whatsoever to the other half of his post. A charge of "buddying" is one that necessarily requires a very careful analysis in order to distinguish wolfy buddying from a villager who is just making a read on another (presumed) villager. Most people do extremely poorly at making this distinction even when interpreting posts correctly, so it seemed to be of particular relevance that you appeared to not even be interpreting the post correctly. (To be more specific, it was the other thing you said, something about his read being way too premature, which would be completely invalidated if smith's post were not meant to be taken seriously, though the two issues were tied together to some degree.)
It was not until after I raised this point that you introduced the argument about making a joking attack, though you still referenced the buddying argument again later without ever offering any clarification about whether you were reading that part of the post as a joke as well.
You label smith as "wildly throwing shade around", which, again relies people actually interpreting his post as anything other than a joke. But you would have us believe that this game can be solved solely by blindly applying simple heuristics, with no examination whatsoever of context and the specific details of the posts. This, frankly, is absurd.
I have offered you many chances to transparently lay out the thought process that went into your posts, yet you have chosen instead to ignore my simple questions and engage in ad hominem attacks on me in place of explaining your own actions. Calling me "desperate" is begging the question. I started out merely by asking you how sure you were that the post you'd responded to was not meant as a joke. As you continued to evade my questions, I became more forceful in asserting myself, as it seemed that my original tactics were ineffective. There is no need for me to be desperate in painting smith's post as a joke, because such a conclusion seems transparently obvious to anyone who reads it, and even you yourself won't go out on a limb far enough to say otherwise. The only thing that I have been desperate about is to try to get you to actually explain your own posts.
I've laid out the thought process repeatedly. In fact, your opening betrays that fact as you accuse me of changing the timeline. Which is it? Did I lay nothing out? Or is what I laid out insufficient?
Nah, on page you say someone's buddying it's good enough to get things going. He was buddying. Yet, you are always there trying to force alternative explanations down my throat and claiming it's scummy not to agree. You tried to shove "joking" down my throat and now you're trying to say town buddying. Town buddying on page , why? You're the one that needs to justify it.
You were the first to claim joke. I don't believe in joke RVS. I told you as much. I even analyzed supposing your "joke" assertion was correct. Jokes that shade are scummy. I don't think mhsmith was joking at all.
Again, wildly throwing shade around is scummy, jokes or not. There are no "RVS jokes". That's just scum flailing.
You have opted to ignore my succinct to the point rationale and instead dismiss everything as a "joke" by mhsmith. He's no jokester.
titus is posting links to games where I get lynched as scum.
I dont get lynched as scum all that often. Hell, my win record as scum is like %
That's actually a coincidence. I posted it to show there's no such thing as joke RVS.
Mastina hydra joked I always drew scum and voted me. (Was scum)
Dave joked I always drew scum and voted me. (was scum)
Blackest Magic joked I drew scum and voted me. (was scum)
mhsmith "joked" that I was scum because I struggled with the vote counter and voted me. (alignment undetermined.
Titus wrote:
soah wrote:
Titus wrote:I've laid out the thought process repeatedly. In fact, your opening betrays that fact as you accuse me of changing the timeline. Which is it? Did I lay nothing out? Or is what I laid out insufficient?
Nah, on page you say someone's buddying it's good enough to get things going. He was buddying. Yet, you are always there trying to force alternative explanations down my throat and claiming it's scummy not to agree. You tried to shove "joking" down my throat and now you're trying to say town buddying. Town buddying on page , why? You're the one that needs to justify it.
You were the first to claim joke. I don't believe in joke RVS. I told you as much. I even analyzed supposing your "joke" assertion was correct. Jokes that shade are scummy. I don't think mhsmith was joking at all.
Again, wildly throwing shade around is scummy, jokes or not. There are no "RVS jokes". That's just scum flailing.
You have opted to ignore my succinct to the point rationale and instead dismiss everything as a "joke" by mhsmith. He's no jokester.
You're changing the timeline of WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. And you have not laid out your thought processes repeatedly. For example, I've asked you at least three times what prompted your "Can we lynch smith now?" post, and you've refused to acknowledge it. You've also refused to give a straight answer about to what degree you interpreted smith's post to be serious or a joke, even going as far as to argue that such a distinction is merely a matter of semantics. In this post, you're now asserting that you don't actually think smith was joking, despite the fact that you've repeatedly asserted that "jokes throwing shade" are wolfy. Now that you're finally taking a stand that you don't think smith was joking at all, the burden is on you, the prosecutor, to actually make the case. So far you've mostly just danced around all of the relevant issues.
Nope. The burden is on whoever is changing minds. You're not going to vote smith because the truth of smith being scum isn't enough. I don't need all of you, just some of you.
Smith has been obvious scum since his introduction. The cheeky "caught up". There's nothing townie about him.
You want to derail his wagon, you find a better suspect.
@Thor,
) You should be familiar with the tell, because you've played more with DGB and Mollie than I have. One of them uses it.
) I laid evidence that jokes that throw shade are bad regardless of who does them.
) You agree that mhsmith isn't scumhunting but claim this isn't enough because no one else is. Like dude, shade patrol is out in full force.
) If you think obvtown is a bad stance to take, why didn't you pressure pisskop for it? I've taken obvtown stances and been right before. I'm frankly a better townhunter than I am a scumhunter. When I work from PoE, I am at my best.
Titus wrote:
soah wrote:
Thor wrote:
MysteriousLad wrote:Yellow has made it overwhelmingly clear that she never voted Titus as a genuine vote, but to demonstrate the sites voting mechanics.
Do you disagree?
I find it a little hard to believe you're unaware of this, neither do I understand why you persist.
His point is the one Chuck made - Yellow made a "joke" that cast shade.
He's asking why that got him grief and not Yellow.
The implication is that Titus is applying scumtells without logic, or that Titus has a marked agenda for who she wants lynched. Both raise issues with Titus' current push.
Now do you understand why he brought it up?
I think that this is slightly off, actually. smith was responding to this line from Titus:
[quote"]mhsmith "joked" that I was scum because I struggled with the vote counter and voted me. (alignment undetermined.
The post that is described here was written by Yellow, but Titus seems to be attributing it to smith. (Hence smith refers to it as mis-remembering events).
Ok that's fair. Given the number of allegations that mhsmith was joking, I did get something shifted in my notes.
Titus wrote:[MENTION="]soah[/MENTION"], You and I have very different views on "good" village play. Good village play to me is nailing scum and then persuading the thread to follow you and sheeping if confused and giving your townreads space to investigate. What's yours?
Titus wrote:
soah wrote:
Titus wrote:[MENTION="]soah[/MENTION"], You and I have very different views on "good" village play. Good village play to me is nailing scum and then persuading the thread to follow you and sheeping if confused and giving your townreads space to investigate. What's yours?
If your attempts to persuade other players result in all of the active players expressing bafflement at what you're trying to say, and your reaction is to complain about how everyone other than yourself is an idiot, then you're not even meeting your own definition of good play.
Do you see me giving up? Fuck no. I cannot control the comprehension of others. I can control continuing to pummel Smith into the ground because he's scum.
Titus wrote:And what are we supposed to draw from this self meta flail spam mhsmith?
If you're aware of your meta, you can do whatever you want with it?
Titus wrote:
UpsideDownChuck wrote:
Titus wrote:
soah wrote:If your attempts to persuade other players result in all of the active players expressing bafflement at what you're trying to say, and your reaction is to complain about how everyone other than yourself is an idiot, then you're not even meeting your own definition of good play.
Do you see me giving up? Fuck no. I cannot control the comprehension of others. I can control continuing to pummel Smith into the ground because he's scum.
Titus the idea that smith's joke was intended to 'throw shade' at Yellow in any real way is preposterous. So it the idea that that's a reliable tell, witness your own townread on Yellow.
At one point you indicated you believed that smith went after you for struggling with the vote counter, then it was pointed out to you that that was not the case. That seemingly hasn't shaken your confidence any, neither have people talking about how you were misreading Yellow's intent in her joke post (which could more reasonably be construed as shade-throwy). What gives?
Yellow didn't throw shade. That's your interpretation.
mhsmith has thrown shade at everyone here, one instance not withstanding that I misinterpreted.
mhsmith rather than scumhunt has basically put up a bunch of self-meta and told the thread to go find reasons why he's town.
Titus wrote:
UpsideDownChuck wrote:
Titus wrote:
UpsideDownChuck wrote:Titus the idea that smith's joke was intended to 'throw shade' at Yellow in any real way is preposterous. So it the idea that that's a reliable tell, witness your own townread on Yellow.
At one point you indicated you believed that smith went after you for struggling with the vote counter, then it was pointed out to you that that was not the case. That seemingly hasn't shaken your confidence any, neither have people talking about how you were misreading Yellow's intent in her joke post (which could more reasonably be construed as shade-throwy). What gives?
Yellow didn't throw shade. That's your interpretation.
mhsmith has thrown shade at everyone here, one instance not withstanding that I misinterpreted.
mhsmith rather than scumhunt has basically put up a bunch of self-meta and told the thread to go find reasons why he's town.
To be clear I don't really think either of them were throwing shade in a meaningful way (I hate that phrase in mafia by the way, it seems like a way of mischaracterizing people's scumhunting attempts). But if someone told me one of these was throwing shade:
Yellow wrote:
mhsmith wrote:[v"]yellow[/v"]
choo choo
Yellow, specifically tell us why you thought Titus was worth a vote there after she (tried to) vote me after my back and forth with soah? Any opinion on me or soah? Or spider for that matter?
Titus, you, and Soah are clearly all scum. Her struggling with the vote thing was just a ploy to get us to think she's an innocent townie. You and Soah are obviously scum-buddies trying to distance in the beginning while it's safe.
Spider is conf. town. Only town worries about their avatars. Everyone knows that. I realize that pisskop is heavily trolling, but he's town too.
Solved the game in . hours. New record.
mhsmith wrote:"tell us more"
with those three words, pisskop has solidified a town read unto the very core of my soul. I'd explain why but mere mortals cannot fully fathom the depth of my certainty here.
PS there can be only one yellow town player here, and I already have the lemon ninja avatar. Ergo yellow must be a wolf. QED my friend.
It would be the former.
I'm not sure how your second and third points are even compatible with each other. Is it possible that what you're calling 'throwing shade' is actually his style of scumhunting, which differs appreciably from what you're used to?
No. I've played with mhsmith. He doesn't do this when pressured.
The idea is a joke that throws shade. Yellow wasn't joking. She was calling out a baseless scumteam to get the game going.
There can only be one yellow so you're scum is a joke like Titus rands scum a lot so vote her. It's not scumhunting at all.
Like, you can keep saying reality isn't true, it is true.
Titus wrote:
mhsmith wrote:
Thor wrote:
Yellow wrote:@Thor - I've already listed the people I've played with. I've never played with mhsmith before. You can have your meta, but I'm going to hold out hope, for his sake, that this isn't his typical approach.
I've played with him and am saying that he doesn't fake stupid.
Is your current theory that
. I am utterly wrong in my awareness of him.
. I am his scumbuddy lying to protect him.
. He changed his playstyle for this game in order to fool people.
I see a lot of 'meh' there.
You should vote Azure.
While it's true that I don't fake stupid, to my recollection, I don't think you've seen my wolf game. Have you in the past read any of my wolf games? Why are you under the impression that I don't fake stupid as a wolf? Or do you merely think I tend to be derpy as town?
Are you seriously arguing "I'm too dumb to be scum right now?"
Titus wrote:
Yellow wrote:
mhsmith wrote:I'm not really seeing the obv!town from yellow, but maybe I'm just being a dumbass. Is it as soah described or more than that?
[MENTION="]Yellow[/MENTION"]: were you aware that your vote on Titus wasn't counted when you made it? If so why didn't you just tell me when I first asked you about it?
I explained it in my very first post. In the post where I was doing the "voting". Your response looked like (still looks like) a retarded line of questioning. I responded in a way I thought fitting. You asked again after the vote count came out and it clearly wasn't there. So I figured on the off chance that you really were that obtuse, I even quoted it to you in red.
Now, you can keep asking about the same thing over and over again. You can keep at it all the way up to your deathbed. But I'm done responding. It's just making it harder and harder for me to be civil. Ask others what they think of it, turn it into the most convincing case mafia universe has ever seen. IDGAF, but don't look for me to rehash this again with you.
*sees the word "retarded"*, *hears nails on a chalkboard*
Ok, I'm going to try this again. Your post was scumhunting by suggesting a team. mhsmith has been shading people without solving them. How the fuck is that "selective"? I'm not pressuring people for being town.
And yes, I do agree people being dumb makes it harder to be civil.
Titus wrote:
mhsmith wrote:
Titus wrote:
Yellow wrote:I explained it in my very first post. In the post where I was doing the "voting". Your response looked like (still looks like) a retarded line of questioning. I responded in a way I thought fitting. You asked again after the vote count came out and it clearly wasn't there. So I figured on the off chance that you really were that obtuse, I even quoted it to you in red.
Now, you can keep asking about the same thing over and over again. You can keep at it all the way up to your deathbed. But I'm done responding. It's just making it harder and harder for me to be civil. Ask others what they think of it, turn it into the most convincing case mafia universe has ever seen. IDGAF, but don't look for me to rehash this again with you.
*sees the word "retarded"*, *hears nails on a chalkboard*
Ok, I'm going to try this again. Your post was scumhunting by suggesting a team. mhsmith has been shading people without solving them. How the fuck is that "selective"? I'm not pressuring people for being town.
And yes, I do agree people being dumb makes it harder to be civil.
Her post was scumhunting by jokingly selecting a team that she didn't actually think was the team? Is this really your read of what happened there?
Yes. Much like Clue. You throw shit out there. Then you get information. That's scumhunting. That's why I giffed her.
Titus wrote:
Secondhand Revenant wrote:
Azure wrote:Oh, and it looks like there's a vote againat me already. Yep, this is the Champs game all over again. Except this time, instead of letting it go like I did before, which placed a wolf firmly in my definite town read spectrum, I'll keep my suspicions.
Doubt it's something people will follow.
Thoughts on Titus and her argument against smith? I think it's fairly ridiculous to push him all day over that
You're smith's buddy so of course you paint me as ridiculous.
Titus wrote:
Secondhand Revenant wrote:
Titus wrote:
Secondhand Revenant wrote:Doubt it's something people will follow.
Thoughts on Titus and her argument against smith? I think it's fairly ridiculous to push him all day over that
You're smith's buddy so of course you paint me as ridiculous.
I've laid out why and I'm hardly the only one. Your logic is either terrible or scummy
You've recycled the "selective" point which I've already proven false, but you don't care because you want the attention on me and not on Smith.
Got any original thoughts?
Titus wrote:mhsmith hasn't done one ounce of scumhunting, yet everyone says my push is minor.
mhsmith has shaded everyone fucking here, yet, I'm excluding the rest of the thread, despite putting a read wall up and having reasons for all of it.
I'm selectively scumhunting allegedly because I honestly highlighted Yellow is obvious town.
[MENTION="]pisskop[/MENTION"], Not funny.
Titus wrote:
soah wrote:I'm gonna throw this out there:
A bunch of people are meta-defending Titus on the basis that she tunnels a bunch, etc. This is creating incentive for her to continue tunneling, in other words, if she's a wolf then she's being given a pass for not being more productive and even as a villager it might (negatively) affect her play.
In order to nullify this incentive, I'm going to point out that in her wolf game on this site, she death-tunneled someone all of day (and died that night), and in her village game on this site she came out of her original tunnel and won the game alongside the guy.
Tunnelling for me in NAI.
I just am right though so...
Because tunnelling, even if it's derp tunnelling, is if anything town-indicative for titus. The key is if it comes across as her believing it, not whether the case is actually good.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
In post 1968, ɀefiend wrote:I'm also wondering why JaeReed abandoned our dialogue. What happened to all the wallpost?
If I abandoned it then it means one of the following:
I forgot (please quote it if you want more discussion since I'm too lazy to go back right now)
I was done talking (not sure if that's the case since I don't even remember having a discussion with you)
I've been preoccupied trying to reread and look at vote counts and struggling to figure out where I went wrong with my reads since Lycan should not have been the nightkill, which indicates something about my thoughts on the gamestate isn't adding up...which means my reads are horribly wrong, most likely.
I think Kuroi is town now, too.
"Jae defends his townreads like a fanatic" - Charloux
"On the issue of myself they go back and forth between overpowering paranoia and absolute certainty I'm town... it's kind of exhausting." - Nahdia
It's a bit hypocritical I guess, but why is it scum-indicative of Gamma to turn his face away from shadow's offered meta defense while on a different time and place using his own meta understanding to defend DEO?
Like, Gamma didn't seem to be saying that he somehow didn't care about meta in general, rather it seemed like he was explicitly rejecting shadow's meta defense, with stated reasoning of there being evidence of interactions that seemed damning (though why he picked shadow over vedith if it was "one of you two is scum" is possibly an interesting question I might want to dig into).
So other than it being vaguely bad-looking to reject a type of reasoning in one case and accept it in a different case, why does it actually suggest he's being strategic or materially hypocritical?
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
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