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Anotora Goon
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FA already claimed D1. Duh.In post 2025, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'd need a massclaim and I don't want a massclaim today.
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Pepchoninga Mafia Scum
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In post 2020, RadiantCowbells wrote:Oh, and SAJ was shit.
Anyone who tries to bind my hands on a lynch again is going to get powerlynched. You all had your way and you fucked up. We're doing this my way now.
It is obvious that she is gonna say that she was roleblocked. But she was the one that said that a roleblocker is unlikely in this situation if I recall correctly.In post 2019, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Okay so FA has to either force a 1v1 with me or confirm that she was roleblocked.In post 1635, Frozen Angel wrote:Grey, You don't know RC,
He manipultes the shit out of everything with doing weird stuffs like that as either alignment. He not agreeing with a plan which would confirm him as town makes no sense though - he was thinking I was scum and I would kill you to frame him then.
Thats why It will practically put me and your target in a 1v1 if you die when checking.
if I get rolebocked I won't loose my shot - thats what my normal reviewers forced me to do in my own normal game - so I will know if I was role blocked or not though, won't I?-
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If she claims not roleblocked then she is confscum because a strongman in this setup is basically impossible.In post 2026, Anotora wrote:
FA already claimed D1. Duh.In post 2025, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'd need a massclaim and I don't want a massclaim today.
I'm waiting for FA to claim before I do anything else.
If she claims roleblocked then we can carry on and see if we lynch a roleblocker.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Anotora Goon
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There doesn't need to be a strongman for -Grey- to die overnight. Even if FA successfully made -Grey- a bulletproof ascetic, -Grey- would then be a weak bulletproof ascetic. He'd still die if you were scum.In post 2028, RadiantCowbells wrote:
If she claims not roleblocked then she is confscum because a strongman in this setup is basically impossible.In post 2026, Anotora wrote:
FA already claimed D1. Duh.In post 2025, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'd need a massclaim and I don't want a massclaim today.
I'm waiting for FA to claim before I do anything else.
If she claims roleblocked then we can carry on and see if we lynch a roleblocker.
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Pepchoninga Mafia Scum
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I kinda dislike the way you say that if she admits to being roleblocked this basically makes her town and we should belive her.In post 2028, RadiantCowbells wrote:
If she claims not roleblocked then she is confscum because a strongman in this setup is basically impossible.In post 2026, Anotora wrote:
FA already claimed D1. Duh.In post 2025, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'd need a massclaim and I don't want a massclaim today.
I'm waiting for FA to claim before I do anything else.
If she claims roleblocked then we can carry on and see if we lynch a roleblocker.-
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Rofl I think I was right about Pepto Anotora.In post 2029, Anotora wrote:
There doesn't need to be a strongman for -Grey- to die overnight. Even if FA successfully made -Grey- a bulletproof ascetic, -Grey- would then be a weak bulletproof ascetic. He'd still die if you were scum.In post 2028, RadiantCowbells wrote:
If she claims not roleblocked then she is confscum because a strongman in this setup is basically impossible.In post 2026, Anotora wrote:
FA already claimed D1. Duh.In post 2025, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'd need a massclaim and I don't want a massclaim today.
I'm waiting for FA to claim before I do anything else.
If she claims roleblocked then we can carry on and see if we lynch a roleblocker.
VOTE: RadiantCowbells2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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No, I said that we should not lynch her today because a roleblocker flip from scum would vindicate her. Shh.In post 2030, Pepchoninga wrote:
I kinda dislike the way you say that if she admits to being roleblocked this basically makes her town and we should belive her.In post 2028, RadiantCowbells wrote:
If she claims not roleblocked then she is confscum because a strongman in this setup is basically impossible.In post 2026, Anotora wrote:
FA already claimed D1. Duh.In post 2025, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'd need a massclaim and I don't want a massclaim today.
I'm waiting for FA to claim before I do anything else.
If she claims roleblocked then we can carry on and see if we lynch a roleblocker.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Anotora Goon
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Yes. -Grey- targeted RC. So we work off of this:
Let's think about the scumteam's incentives to go down each road. In each of these scenarios, scum believe -Grey-'s claim at face value. I feel that's likely.In post 1965, Frozen Angel wrote:No if he dies that means his target is scum OR I was scum who killed him myself and didn't role stop him
IF RC IS SCUM: -Grey- is going to die. Scum is under significant pressure to protect RC from being confirmed scum by the -Grey-/FA role combo. Their best shot at that is to frame FA as scum who killed -Grey-. In this case,their optimal move is to no-kill and let -Grey- die from his weakness. If they killed someone besides -Grey-, the resulting two night deaths would confirm that -Grey- had a guilty investigative result on RC. This is an unacceptable outcome for scum.
IF FA IS SCUM: Since -Grey- will not die of weakness, there may only be one night death (a scum kill) or none. -Grey- is not made bulletproof ascetic, because FA claiming rolestopper was a lie.If scum is going to kill N1, they should obviously kill -Grey-, as they would rather the night result in a town death (-Grey-'s) and WIFOM over whether RC is scum or not, not some other town death and a living -Grey- who has innocent result on RC.
IF BOTH ARE SCUM: -Grey- is going to die. Scum gets to decide whether they want to kill someone else. As we said earlier, two town deaths (-Grey- and someone else) would be tantamount to confirming RC as scum. As in the first two cases, best to just let -Grey- die and thereby obfuscate who caused his death.
IF NEITHER ARE SCUM: -Grey- is a bulletproof ascetic targeting town, so there is no way for him to die.This is impossible. He died. Therefore at least one of FA and RC is scum.
Let me repeat that. If neither FA or RC is scum, then last night -Grey- would have been made a bulletproof ascetic who was, at the time, targeting town. We know that this is not the case because he died.
We knowfor a certain factthat one of FA or RC is scum. Yet, for some reason, RC isn't voting FA!!!-
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Like I keep coming back to this. This is the most sensationalist, blow-things-out-of-proportion bullshit that I have ever seen. I find it impossible to believe that he legitimately did not consider the possibility of a roleblocker and that he also managed to read all my posts which he quoted but somehow has like a mental block preventing him from forming the word roleblocker in his mind.We know for a certain fact that one of FA or RC is scum. Yet, for some reason, RC isn't voting FA!!!
Anotora is clearly being deliberately manipulative and whether that's because FA is scum with him or because he wants to frame the both of us and try to get us lynched remains to be seen.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Anotora Goon
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What if a doctor healed someone?In post 2037, Anotora wrote:If scum had a roleblocker, and both you and FA were town, the scum team's best move would have been to roleblock FA and kill you, so that -Grey- confirming you as a townie would be useless. They didn't do that. You're alive. You or FA is scum.-
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Anotora Goon
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If a doctor healed someone then RC is scum because that's the only way we end up with both a -Grey- death and a prevented death.In post 2038, Srceenplay wrote:
What if a doctor healed someone?In post 2037, Anotora wrote:If scum had a roleblocker, and both you and FA were town, the scum team's best move would have been to roleblock FA and kill you, so that -Grey- confirming you as a townie would be useless. They didn't do that. You're alive. You or FA is scum.-
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Sure it would. That's the reason they're weak and 1-shot, respectively.In post 2017, RadiantCowbells wrote:I mean I didn't say much but it doesn't take a genius to realize there has to be some sort of scum roleblocking power.
If FA is town that means that there's both a weak cop and a 1-shot proteector for them. That's cop/doc interaction and would never go through without a roleblocker.-
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If a doctor healed someone FA is confirmed scum by setup spec.In post 2038, Srceenplay wrote:
What if a doctor healed someone?In post 2037, Anotora wrote:If scum had a roleblocker, and both you and FA were town, the scum team's best move would have been to roleblock FA and kill you, so that -Grey- confirming you as a townie would be useless. They didn't do that. You're alive. You or FA is scum.
AND BWAHAHAHAH WHY WOULD SCUM ROLEBLOCK FA AND KILL ME!?
THEY COULD KILL ME ANYWAY I WASN'T PROTECTED.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Weak is a buff and more than 1-shot is too much. You're forgetting the 'rolestopper' half of the equation whereby you couldn't RB the cop like you normally could. Shush scumfuck.In post 2040, Anotora wrote:
Sure it would. That's the reason they're weak and 1-shot, respectively.In post 2017, RadiantCowbells wrote:I mean I didn't say much but it doesn't take a genius to realize there has to be some sort of scum roleblocking power.
If FA is town that means that there's both a weak cop and a 1-shot proteector for them. That's cop/doc interaction and would never go through without a roleblocker.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Anotora Goon
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Scum is clearly better off in a world where -Grey-'s power could have been neutered by killing his declared target. Since they didn't do that, we the town now have more information.In post 2041, RadiantCowbells wrote:
AND BWAHAHAHAH WHY WOULD SCUM ROLEBLOCK FA AND KILL ME!?
THEY COULD KILL ME ANYWAY I WASN'T PROTECTED.
I think the only reason scum didn't kill -Grey-'s target is because -Grey- targeted scum and was therefore going to die.-
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Anotora Goon
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Edited. Was talking to RC, of course. Not FAIn post 2045, Anotora wrote:If you're truly town,RC, the scum should've killed you so that -Grey-'s inno on you was NAI for anyone in the game.-
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They should have but clearly they thought that trying to force a silly 1v1 between me and FA would work better. You and your teammates will regret not killing me.In post 2045, Anotora wrote:If you're truly town, FA, the scum should've killed you so that -Grey-'s inno on you was NAI for anyone in the game.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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