Newbie 1767 | Winter | Endgame

[SensFan]

I mean I'm not exactly up to date on my ancient site meta history but cmon. Newbie game.

a) I've seen a lot go wrong from letting people draw out a claim
b) I'm not convinced there's any claim that would have changed my mind on lynching him anyways

a) Like what? What have you seen go so wrong from letting people draw out a claim that this overrides the town benefit of getting a claim?
b) If he'd claimed a PR and there was no counterclaim you would still lynch? With that much time left in Day 1?

I don't see the town motive in what you did. I can see the scum motive.

a) Well, for one, apparently you won't lynch a Scum on D1 if you let them claim? (based on your b)
b) Uh, yes? 100% yes. This isn't an open set-up. Every Scum in here will claim a PR, and you won't lynch them if you back off on that. It's also probably not worth outing a Town PR to counterclaim a Scum that got run up this early.

I've seen countless people chicken the heck out of lynching someone based on a Cop claim or something similar.

[PenguinPower]

Vote Count 2.02

Raskolnikov

(1): Selynee

Not Voting

: Fredrick E Campbell, lucca261, TheBrie, Loopdan, SensFan, Raskolnikov, Huntress
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-01-22 06:30:00)

Notes:

As a general reminder, as per my rules, I count inactivity from the last substantive post. "Checking in" will not reset the timer.

[TheBrie]

@Huntress I second Loopdan. As an IC I would have expected more from you. I've also read in other games that you find it awkward being scum and IC.
Also Echo's main reads were on Sensfan and Huntress. Just because he was town of course doesn't mean he was right, but it does mean he wasn't just making stuff up to appear active.

VOTE: Huntress

[Loopdan]

^That is not a scum post for a player in her first game.

Brie and Selynee are both probably town.

[Loopdan]

I mean I'm not exactly up to date on my ancient site meta history but cmon. Newbie game.

a) I've seen a lot go wrong from letting people draw out a claim
b) I'm not convinced there's any claim that would have changed my mind on lynching him anyways

a) Like what? What have you seen go so wrong from letting people draw out a claim that this overrides the town benefit of getting a claim?
b) If he'd claimed a PR and there was no counterclaim you would still lynch? With that much time left in Day 1?

I don't see the town motive in what you did. I can see the scum motive.

a) Well, for one, apparently you won't lynch a Scum on D1 if you let them claim? (based on your b)
b) Uh, yes? 100% yes. This isn't an open set-up. Every Scum in here will claim a PR, and you won't lynch them if you back off on that. It's also probably not worth outing a Town PR to counterclaim a Scum that got run up this early.

I've seen countless people chicken the heck out of lynching someone based on a Cop claim or something similar.

I disagree with some of this, but that's not the point.

You didn't answer "a)". The question was what have you seen go wrong "from letting people draw out a claim"?

Your answer is about letting people claim, which is irrelevant. You demanded Echo claim, remember?

[SensFan]

People change their mind, go inactive, get bored. Scum have time to come up with a fakeclaim. I've seen countless times where people are wagoned to L-1 with intent to lynch pending a claim, they refuse to claim, and people chicken out and don't force the issue.

Four people were content voting him. I gave 24h notice that I would hammer if there was no claim, and no one unvoted. I hammered. Don't try and put that all on me.

[Raskolnikov]

Mmm

Well enough about the hammer. Sensfan what're your thoughts now?

[Loopdan]

@Rask-- Do you agree with 253?

[Raskolnikov]

@Fred-- I was focused on sorting Brie.

If by sorting me you mean helping me realize that people could really think I was guilty, or just trying to read me by my reactions, then thank you. I needed that.

Actually, what's your take on all of that now?

[Raskolnikov]

Brie's picked up a fair bit since her wagon, though I'm not 100% yet.

[Raskolnikov]

Frederick/Brie scum-team

Lock up the thread and hit the Newbie Queue for your next /in.

Rask is right. Echo's 125 is terrible.

What's so bad about that post?

So this might sound strange, but what exactly was your problem with the echo wagon?

You seemed to disagree with it without even knowing what it was. Which I don't quite get.

[Raskolnikov]

Not sure huntress is the way to go, moreso than her I'm interested in frederick and sens here.

She definitely played a subdued role d1 but I don't think huntress play has anything necessarily malicious in it either. Gutread is hard to analyse but she didn't seem in any rush to end that day either.
Brief meta skim has her pretty lurky in general so I don't think that's even NAI tbh. Can wait and see the analysis she says she has coming up.

[Raskolnikov]

Regarding d1 wagon huntress's stance doesn't really stand out, first vote and mostly given as gutread. Her point on echo's 2nd post looking like defending thebrie made sense too.

Sensfan otoh did seem pretty confident hammering though I didn't hear that much of his own analysis there. Seems justified via a mix of an association per echo seeming to bus/partner-tell with theBrie, and what I pointed out in my case. Though there is the potential it was partially motivated via sens happening to be the one echo scumread, definitely could see a reason scum sens would've wanted to end the day when he did. Kind of light on the info given all the posts.

Frederick's is a weird case too, I get the feeling he wrote off echo a bit too fast. He seemed to not really consider echo-scum as a possibility without even yet reading why people scumread him, if that makes sense. It's possible he's just indecisive in general or lacking in awareness but it doesn't look like he was really phased about it either.
In that position I'd be pretty interested in finding out exactly what the case was on him if I didn't know, but he didn't really give any judgement that suggested he understood or tried considering it. Given he didn't put that much into defending him, it's possible as scum he just wanted a bit of towncred along with not being the wagon as it went through.

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: Frederick

This probably gives more than a sens wagon.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Frederick/Brie scum-team

Lock up the thread and hit the Newbie Queue for your next /in.

Rask is right. Echo's 125 is terrible.

What's so bad about that post?

So this might sound strange, but what exactly was your problem with the echo wagon?

You seemed to disagree with it without even knowing what it was. Which I don't quite get.

I had no reason to think Exho was scum. I didn't have much reason to think he was town either.

[PenguinPower]

Selynee has requested a replacement.

[Raskolnikov]

I had no reason to think Exho was scum. I didn't have much reason to think he was town either.

So you read everything and just walked away neutral to it all? Nothing was worth commenting on?

Even still I didn't see you really push loopdan lynch over echo which I'd kind of expect if you were whatever on echo but scumread loop.

[Raskolnikov]

No impressions now either, given it's day 2?

Who do you think is scum?

[Raskolnikov]

...where is everyone

[lucca261]

I'm here Rasko. Posting now.

[lucca261]

^That is not a scum post for a player in her first game.

Brie and Selynee are both probably town.

Why, exactly? What exactly her post contains that makes she town because it's her first game?

[lucca261]

People change their mind, go inactive, get bored. Scum have time to come up with a fakeclaim. I've seen countless times where people are wagoned to L-1 with intent to lynch pending a claim, they refuse to claim, and people chicken out and don't force the issue.

Four people were content voting him. I gave 24h notice that I would hammer if there was no claim, and no one unvoted. I hammered. Don't try and put that all on me.

I don't like this. Seems that your only concern is that people are blaming you for the hammer.

Don't try and put that all on me.

is weird. Seems weirdly defensive. Of course people are putting the blame on you, you hammered with a lot of time left.

The hammer is kinda scummy? Yes, but the defensive stance you're doing is starting to concern me more.

[lucca261]

Weird that Selynee requested replacement after her weird vote on Rasko. Not saying that it's scummy. Just weird.

Another weird thing is the lack of posts from Fred on D2. He was so active D1, and now seems to be just trying to avoid pressure.

@fred, do you still think that Loopdan is scum? if so, why?
@loopdan, who is your top scumread right now? sensfan, fred, me or huntress?
@rasko, now that we know Echo's flip, how do you read his wagon? I'm trying to do it, and is only making me more paranoid.

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last day wagon seemed weird. there wasn't a lot of pressure on people, but the votes started to pile up quickly, leading to the hammer. I'm starting to think that there is no scum on that wagon, save for maybe Huntress.

I'm starting to get paranoid here, and this is not good. At the moment I don't townread anyone, save for maybe Rasko.

VOTE: Frederick

[Loopdan]

^That post is one giant scumclaim.

VOTE: lucca

Die.

[Loopdan]

In the history of this website there has never been a single post that said "weird" 5x and "I'm paranoid" 2x that ended up being town.
Says everyone is suspicious.
Fake wagon analysis "The wagon looks town except Huntress..." but no vote there.
And the @ questions are hollow attempts at looking town.