Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

[TheDominator37]

Do and we lose. All im saying

[pisskop]

this push reeks

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 7.02

pieguyn (2):

pisskop, TheDominator37

TheDominator37 (2):

pieguyn, Nahdia

Not Voting:

Gamma Emerald

With 5 alive, 3 to lynch

The deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-15 12:28:31).

[TheDominator37]

Gamma please just intent to hammer pie so we can prove that nahdia camt reveal

[pieguyn]

GE-san? doko ni iru no?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: TheDominator37

[pieguyn]

/covers her face and prays

[TheDominator37]

And the town loses. Good job gamma

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 7.03

pieguyn (2):

pisskop, TheDominator37

TheDominator37 (3):

pieguyn, Nahdia, Gamma Emerald

Not Voting:

None

With 5 alive, 3 to lynch

The deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-15 12:28:31).

[GuyInFreezer]

TheDominator37, Town Roleblocker, was lynched day 7.

It is now Night 7.

The deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-13 09:09:13).

[GuyInFreezer]

Gamma Emerald is V/LA until Tuesday.

[GuyInFreezer]

No one died Night 7.

Now it is Day 8.

The deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-27 10:20:54).

[pisskop]

nadhia

what do we do. as the ic you choose

[Nahdia]

im gonna reread day 1, gimmie some time.

[pieguyn]

my initial thought overnight was that it's GE and that I shouldn't overthink things.

[pieguyn]

basically, since my reads this game have apparently been shit since the moment Wisdom died, there's a few things I keep coming back to whenever I try to think about this game.

- Aero being killed over me N1, to me, indicates that the last scum is probably in the set of people I was town reading D1, which points away from pisskop and towards GE. Aero was obviously correct about Varsoon, but outside of that, he had Wisdom as a null-town read, and then pisskop as a null-town read and GE as a scum read.

- Aero was adamant that Varsoon/Wisdom interactions pointed to Cakez and pisskop being town. Cakez flipped town, and while I've said before the GE interactions don't look like scum, really, pisskop's interactions are a lot more similar to Cakez in that there was some serious distancing going on if he's the last scum, whereas GE's are just they don't look like scum, but the fact of the matter is that outside of the reasoning he used, objectively, he defended Varsoon/Wisdom D1 and didn't vote Wisdom D2 until it was apparent he wouldn't get out of it.

- Luna thought pisskop's play was completely different from his scum play.

- so did at least one other town player (dwlee, who not only also thought GE but I know has also seen pisskop-scum before), but I haven't looked at what everyone's reads were so I don't have any more specifics on this.

- as irritating as it is, I went to look at a few of pisskop's scum games and the closest pisskop has ever got to weaving this kind of emotion into his play as scum was in NY191. it was nowhere near the level of this game and it largely came after RC had drove a wagon on him, right when he was being lynched, and there was apparently a notable personal history between him and RC that legitimately induced it, so it's not the same as this game at all (which would basically just be him inventing a bunch of bullshit personal reasons just for the hell of it since as far as I know our history before this game was mostly positive). I'm not going to bother saying any more words about this than I already have in this game, but, that's the conclusion I get out of it.

there are some other things I'm tossing around in my head, and I've also been factoring Nahdia's read into account, but those are the main points, so, whatever. I'm open to discussion over it.

obviously, if we lynch someone today, Nahdia reveals, since at that point there is no longer any reason for them not to. if we elect to no lynch, obviously they shouldn't, but I don't really want to do that.

[Nahdia]

alright i guess im down to lynch gamma.

[pieguyn]

if that was in response to my post, that wasn't me telling you not to reread or anything like that, that's just what I arrived at after re-thinking my view of the game overnight (meaning I'm probably set on GE but would switch with a compelling enough argument).

if it wasn't, carry on, just wanted to make sure.

[pieguyn]

the thing giving me reservations about pisskop is that whenever it looked like what was going on with me and him this game would start to actually get dangerous for him, he kept stepping back and tiptoe-ing around it, i.e., his recent posts today where he seems to have dropped the push on me entirely. that, plus the complete ridiculousness of a lot of what he wrote about me in general.

I'm aware this isn't *really* a tell, since, yeah, obviously any town player who was aware of how anti-town our interactions were would want to stop it too. but I have had too many scum act like that towards me and I'm never fortunate enough to have the people who are sensible enough to back off actually be town.

I'm also aware that I've been consistently wrong in this game since like D3, and to be honest I'm in a similar kind of boat with GE where I worry I'm being manipulated (his posts around D7 end in particular are posts that I really wish I had stepped back and thought about a bit more before going ahead with TD37 lynch), so on the other hand, /shrug.

[pieguyn]

literally the only thing I have any certainty at all about right now is that as horrible as losing to scum-pisskop would be, I would rather not lose to scum-GE after Luna (not only whose reads I respect but whose slot I effectively mislynched), Aero (who seems to be a pretty solid player who I also mislynched), Nahdia (whose reads I respect again), and a bunch of other people were as certain as they were it was GE and not pisskop for most of the game.

if I go based on my reads, I can honestly make a case for either being scum, or either being town, and have it be reasonable enough, so I don't have any faith that my reads at this point are anywhere near reliable. what I don't see ever changing, though, is how everyone else felt. and if that's wrong, then whatever. these aren't people whose reads I usually just discount.

[pisskop]

where is gamma.

ive been picking up extra hours at work. and now ive been family-dragged into building a commercial enterprise. because lulz



i ever tell you i hate my job though? i extorted a raise though by threatening to leave

[Nahdia]

right uh,so should i confirm or

[Nahdia]

i dont really wanna make GiF go through the effort of replacing gamma if we're just gonna lynch 'em

[pieguyn]

I'm pretty sure he's avoiding this game (don't know if this is even a point but he has been).

if we proceed as is and there's nothing more you want to discuss, I don't see myself voting outside of him, so.

[pieguyn]

optimally, what we should do re: you revealing is all of us commit to one lynch or the other, without voting, then you reveal and after you reveal we actually push the lynch through (preventing any kind of scenario where you reveal and then it goes to no lynch).

so we wait for pisskop to check in, although based on what he's said he should be OK with it.