hmm...I'll leave whether or not your contradicting yourself up to third parties to decide.Infinitive wrote:It was me who said that. At the time I was pointing out discrepancies in what you'd done. You answered that question to my satisfaction. It's the other stuff that bugs me.Thanatos wrote: Which is also compounded by other people (wait, am I mistaken, or was it Infinitive who said this) asking why I'm not leading as much today.
Underlined for emphasis. You give DS the credit for pointing out DLS's lack of scum hunting.Thanatos wrote:I react so strongly because you kept ignoring it, but honestly, I stopped caring a while back..
And yes, I scum hunted. Right up till the claim, I was looking at VL and Liam. The claim kind of froze me in my tracks. I'm still thinking about what I want to do...
..As much as I hate to admit it,DS's arguments on DLS's lack of scum-hunting make sense. I'm almost positive that either DS or DLS is scum.There's no way this game makes sense if they aren't. Therefore...Vote:DLS
Sorry, but he's right. You've yet to do anything non defensive. That's a big scumtell.
Underlined for emphasis.Thanatos wrote:I've been really busy for the past couple of days, and I can't comment too deeply on the situation right now, but I'll say this.
Nudude and Infinitive have made me think about DLS in a light I hadn;t thought before, and suddenly I realized, they were completely right. She has yet to give anything on the Offensive.This is bad. Very bad. It means she has the time, but not the will/desire to hunt scum. This may or may not mean something, but she's on my list now, when before she was not, though that may have been more for DS than herself.
Speaking of which, if, by some chance, DS and DLS are scum buddies, we're royally fucked. Nothings more dangerous than scumbuddies who hate each other. Just something to keep in mind if one of them turns up scum.
Now, infinitive, if you want to question me, ask away. Just don't lynch me because I'm a good townie who guessed wrong. The same goes true for everyone, except for DS, who I would just like to leave me alone, because, with finals, I don't have the time forhim
That said, we need more pressure on Liamcool, who I feel is the shot for today, who has gone missing despite calls for action. Therefore,Unvote, Vote:Liamcool
Nudude wrote:Thanatos, if I remember correctly, it was DS who started the DLS investigation, well to be more specific he was investigating you and DLS.
On the flip - side, if it was who you somehow started the investigation on DLS, DS was very quick to take your side, despite you being suspect #1 on his list.
DS puts out some bait regarding a link between you (Thanatos) and DLS. DLS becomes very defensive, and DS starts building a case on DLS's over - defensiveness.
I also investigate DLS, and bring attention to the fact she has done very little scum hunting.
Then you say this:
Underlined for emphasis. You give DS the credit for pointing out DLS's lack of scum hunting.Thanatos wrote:I react so strongly because you kept ignoring it, but honestly, I stopped caring a while back..
And yes, I scum hunted. Right up till the claim, I was looking at VL and Liam. The claim kind of froze me in my tracks. I'm still thinking about what I want to do...
..As much as I hate to admit it,DS's arguments on DLS's lack of scum-hunting make sense. I'm almost positive that either DS or DLS is scum.There's no way this game makes sense if they aren't. Therefore...Vote:DLS
Sorry, but he's right. You've yet to do anything non defensive. That's a big scumtell.
Here's where things get interesting.
You made this post earlier:
Underlined for emphasis.Thanatos wrote:I've been really busy for the past couple of days, and I can't comment too deeply on the situation right now, but I'll say this.
Nudude and Infinitive have made me think about DLS in a light I hadn;t thought before, and suddenly I realized, they were completely right. She has yet to give anything on the Offensive.This is bad. Very bad. It means she has the time, but not the will/desire to hunt scum. This may or may not mean something, but she's on my list now, when before she was not, though that may have been more for DS than herself.
Speaking of which, if, by some chance, DS and DLS are scum buddies, we're royally fucked. Nothings more dangerous than scumbuddies who hate each other. Just something to keep in mind if one of them turns up scum.
Now, infinitive, if you want to question me, ask away. Just don't lynch me because I'm a good townie who guessed wrong. The same goes true for everyone, except for DS, who I would just like to leave me alone, because, with finals, I don't have the time forhim
That said, we need more pressure on Liamcool, who I feel is the shot for today, who has gone missing despite calls for action. Therefore,Unvote, Vote:Liamcool
It was me and Infinitive that were making the case on DLS's lack of scum hunting, and you knew that. DS simply re - iterated what we said, but later on you give him the credit, and even use it as an excuse to side with DS against DLS. Why?
Because it gives you the perfect excuse to side with DS against DLS. You needed a good reason to take your vote off DS and put it on DLS, as it would look suspicious just going from DS, someone you suspected strongly enough to vote for, also bearing in mind that you made it quite clear what you though about his "Theories". You take your vote off him and put it on DLS, even though you disagreed with his early "Theories" of DLS.
You idea was that if someone challenged your change of mind, you could say "He's brought up some good points" when in actual fact he didn't.
VOTE: Thanatos
You replied with this:Nudude wrote:Thanatos:If you have a read over the thread, Thanatos has actually spear - headed very few investigations, and in actual fact only really jumped on bandwagons with his votes.The only time he placed the first vote was early today when he voted DS. It feels like to me you and DS had a chat in the night and decided you two would point fingers at each other early D2 to distance each other.
My point is that there seems to be this impression that your leading investigations, an impression your fostering, when the fact is you aren't, really. I think it's a stretch to say that you've spear headed or initiated any investigations. I wouldn't say your spear-heading DLS's investigation, as much as providing a running commentary.Thanatos wrote:Nudude: I Think of all the things you can say about me, not scum hunting enough is not one of them. Besides DT, I've pushed hard against DS, and am the ONLY person actually examining DLS in an unbiased Isolation, and inviting people to talk about her.Right now, I AM leading the DLS wagon. Maybe not by pushing her, but actually looking at her posts.
DS may have started the case, but at the moments, that's all he's done. I am taking DLS and looking at her on my own, because I agree with alot of DS' points about her, as well as Infinitive's and yours. It is true that I did not start the case, but at the moment, I am the only one really doing anything about it. (while to be more accurate, I was, and come thursday, I will be again.)Nudude wrote:I said this about you earlier. In it I pointed out that you had started very few investigations of your own
You replied with this:Nudude wrote:Thanatos:If you have a read over the thread, Thanatos has actually spear - headed very few investigations, and in actual fact only really jumped on bandwagons with his votes.The only time he placed the first vote was early today when he voted DS. It feels like to me you and DS had a chat in the night and decided you two would point fingers at each other early D2 to distance each other.
My point is that there seems to be this impression that your leading investigations, an impression your fostering, when the fact is you aren't, really. I think it's a stretch to say that you've spear headed or initiated any investigations. I wouldn't say your spear-heading DLS's investigation, as much as providing a running commentary.Thanatos wrote:Nudude: I Think of all the things you can say about me, not scum hunting enough is not one of them. Besides DT, I've pushed hard against DS, and am the ONLY person actually examining DLS in an unbiased Isolation, and inviting people to talk about her.Right now, I AM leading the DLS wagon. Maybe not by pushing her, but actually looking at her posts.
What you've been doing is a form of visible lurking. It's where you don't actually give any new information, all you do is watch what happens and then provide a summary on what's already been said. It's worth nothing during my absence conversation dried up, to the point where the mod nearly imposed a deadline. I encouraged people to do some more investigations.
Your response? A PBP, with a summary that composed of things that have already been said. Instead of looking through the thread an trying to figure out for yourself who the scum may be, you simply commented on the bandwagon.
In itself, it's a perfectly reasonable play. The issue I have is that you are falsely presenting yourself as someone "Leading the charge" so to speak, when it simply isn't true.
By playing this passive role, it's very easy to look townie without actually helping the town. If your clever, you can even claim that your spear - heading lots of investigations, doing your part for the town.
Nudude wrote:I would encourage people to re - read pages 22 and 23, and bear in mind DS originally targeted Thanatos in those pages, and Thanatos strongly disagreed with DS's logic. DS then targets DLS based on some "Bait" he throws out, and in the space of a few pages Thanatos "Forgets" that:
a) He refered to DS's theories as "Craplogic".
b) How hard DS grilled him and DLS based on that same logic.
c) That he acknowledged that it was me that brought up DLS's lack of contribution.
He would have to forget all those things to suddenly agree with DS.
I just don't buy it. Your too smart a guy to forget what happened a few pages ago.
Also, in regards to your scum hunting, I propose this. If you feel you are the only one investigating her, quote us a post where you gave us a new piece of information to consider in regards to the DLS investigation.
In regards to the part I bolded, I wasn't shooting down anything aimed at me. What started the flame war was me deliberatly getting in the way of something I saw as unfair. And normally thats how I do it. If I see some one trying to accuse some one else unfairly I'm going to say something, but if the only person getting accused unfairly is me, then it doesn't really look like I have much else to talk about. I also do tend to lurk if I think that everything is being handled well. I generaly vote people who vote stupidly, unfairly or with little to no reason. I can be just as defensive taking up some one elses case as I am with my own. I felt that was represented in the flame war, because even though DS was throwing insults at me every chance he got, I still did my best to try and get the truth from him as diplomaticaly as possible. Even though it was taken to another level rather quickly, my whole main point was that voting some one becuase they are an asshole even if it is "the frosting on the cake" isn't fair, and it's not really something you point out to the entire world, and especially not with the words "I vote assholes first". It's obvious he plays with emotions (very angry and volatile emotions) and I think thats probably a whole lot worse than what I do.Nudude wrote:In regards to the flamewar,
It just looks like to me two personailities colliding. Both of them hate to lose an arguement, and hate to back down.
DS:
I dont feel he was trying to further some agenda. I shan't repeat what he suggested happens to DLS at the height of that arguement, but his loss of control indicates it was an emotional response, rather some logical plan.
DLS:
She hasn't been playing this game to hunt scum, she just likes shooting down accusations aimed at her. Why wouldn't she carry this as far as it can go, she loves that kind of stuff, it's the reason she plays! Of course wether this is because she's scum, or she's a townie that doesn't really care about scum hunting as much as she does debating, remains to be seen.
I think you just proved my point DLSDark_Lady_Shaiann wrote:In regards to the part I bolded, I wasn't shooting down anything aimed at me. What started the flame war was me deliberatly getting in the way of something I saw as unfair. And normally thats how I do it. If I see some one trying to accuse some one else unfairly I'm going to say something, but if the only person getting accused unfairly is me, then it doesn't really look like I have much else to talk about. I also do tend to lurk if I think that everything is being handled well. I generaly vote people who vote stupidly, unfairly or with little to no reason. I can be just as defensive taking up some one elses case as I am with my own. I felt that was represented in the flame war, because even though DS was throwing insults at me every chance he got, I still did my best to try and get the truth from him as diplomaticaly as possible. Even though it was taken to another level rather quickly, my whole main point was that voting some one becuase they are an asshole even if it is "the frosting on the cake" isn't fair, and it's not really something you point out to the entire world, and especially not with the words "I vote assholes first". It's obvious he plays with emotions (very angry and volatile emotions) and I think thats probably a whole lot worse than what I do.Nudude wrote:In regards to the flamewar,
It just looks like to me two personailities colliding. Both of them hate to lose an arguement, and hate to back down.
DS:
I dont feel he was trying to further some agenda. I shan't repeat what he suggested happens to DLS at the height of that arguement, but his loss of control indicates it was an emotional response, rather some logical plan.
DLS:
She hasn't been playing this game to hunt scum, she just likes shooting down accusations aimed at her. Why wouldn't she carry this as far as it can go, she loves that kind of stuff, it's the reason she plays! Of course wether this is because she's scum, or she's a townie that doesn't really care about scum hunting as much as she does debating, remains to be seen.
So.....I guess we are all on the same page now, right?Nudude wrote:I think you just proved my point DLSDark_Lady_Shaiann wrote:In regards to the part I bolded, I wasn't shooting down anything aimed at me. What started the flame war was me deliberatly getting in the way of something I saw as unfair. And normally thats how I do it. If I see some one trying to accuse some one else unfairly I'm going to say something, but if the only person getting accused unfairly is me, then it doesn't really look like I have much else to talk about. I also do tend to lurk if I think that everything is being handled well. I generaly vote people who vote stupidly, unfairly or with little to no reason. I can be just as defensive taking up some one elses case as I am with my own. I felt that was represented in the flame war, because even though DS was throwing insults at me every chance he got, I still did my best to try and get the truth from him as diplomaticaly as possible. Even though it was taken to another level rather quickly, my whole main point was that voting some one becuase they are an asshole even if it is "the frosting on the cake" isn't fair, and it's not really something you point out to the entire world, and especially not with the words "I vote assholes first". It's obvious he plays with emotions (very angry and volatile emotions) and I think thats probably a whole lot worse than what I do.Nudude wrote:In regards to the flamewar,
It just looks like to me two personailities colliding. Both of them hate to lose an arguement, and hate to back down.
DS:
I dont feel he was trying to further some agenda. I shan't repeat what he suggested happens to DLS at the height of that arguement, but his loss of control indicates it was an emotional response, rather some logical plan.
DLS:
She hasn't been playing this game to hunt scum, she just likes shooting down accusations aimed at her. Why wouldn't she carry this as far as it can go, she loves that kind of stuff, it's the reason she plays! Of course wether this is because she's scum, or she's a townie that doesn't really care about scum hunting as much as she does debating, remains to be seen.