Pick Your Power: Double Deck (GAME OVER)

[Vecna]

Thats what im assuming as well Grey, the more important question is whether we can quicklynch before the 48 deadline and deny scum the option to do anything about it.

As in, if the second lynch has already started, does removing the card still stop the process already underway.

[Fishythefish]

@Vecna: what do you mean by the card spy/shuffle order?

I'm not shuffling today unless I get info from a card spy saying I should - and nor should the other spy, in the unlikely event there is one.

[Fishythefish]

* the other shuffler

[Fishythefish]

Fuck massclaiming, that can happen after the McMenno/SpyreX lynch orgy.

No use informing scum before tomorrow. Let them shoot in the dark one more night.

Vecna, if I'm lynched first, the king of diamonds is no longer in play and thus there is no longer a second lynch. Your question seems like busywork.

It's not at all clear to me the McMenno/Spyrex are the right lynches, because:
- McMenno isn't really that scummy. I would expect massclaim to lead to a more certain scumlynch.
- There's no need for Spyrex to die if we know tomorrow isn't spades.
- Secret but good reasons that make one of these a bad lynch; I'll say more after the 48 hour mark.

[Vecna]

I meant we know tonights card, so we could also decide to shuffle first, then cardspy.

However, seeing how that card will actually be very usefull for a number of things, thats probably a pretty bad option. A much better option is indeed to look at the coming cards and have my hood partner decide whether the cards for tomorrow/tomorrownight are desirable or shuffle-bait.

You got the trumpcard info right Fishy? I still think its better to keep it a secret for a number of reasons since itll probably strongly influence mafia kill options. It might however, also influence our lynch choices for today. What do you think? (without giving any info away, or we can take it to the QT but having a middleman there is a nuisance).

[Quipla]

Gm, question list time:
-If I submit my card spy action, it will indeed not give me the results untill 48 hours into the day, correct?
-If scum kill the holder of lights out lynching, will the effect still persist for the rest of the day? If not, what if the first lynch has already happened? will we still get the second lynch if the person holding the card dies after the first lynch?

1)

Correct. Results won't occur until the 48 hour mark.

2)

No, the effect will only be active if someone is alive with the card. So, if the holder of the K of diamonds is killed while two lynches are remaining, it will be reduced to a normal one lynch Day. If they are killed after one lynch has occurred, the Day will end immediately as there is nobody alive to enable the second lynch.

@mod: If we lynch within 48 hours, how do actions submitted before the lynch resolve? What about people who haven't submitted actions yet - are those just lost?

If you lynch before 48 hours, any actions submitted will resolve at the time of lynch (if it was a Day ending lynch) and those who haven't submitted anything will lose them. If you lynch before 48 hours but the Day is due to continue then actions will still occur at the 48 hour mark. And then as per timestamp after that, obviously.

[Quipla]

DECK x 34 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 26

DAY 5 VOTECOUNT #2

McMenno (4)

- -Grey-, drealmerz7, gigabyteTroubadour, Lil Uzi Vert

SpyreX (1)

- McMenno

Mathblade (1)

- Dunnstral

Dunnstral (1)

- Mathblade

Not Voting (8)

- gerryoat, Fishythefish, davesaz, Kison, Maxous, Vecna, SpyreX, TheWayItEnds

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2017-01-16 22:09:40).

[Fishythefish]

I meant we know tonights card, so we could also decide to shuffle first, then cardspy.

However, seeing how that card will actually be very usefull for a number of things, thats probably a pretty bad option. A much better option is indeed to look at the coming cards and have my hood partner decide whether the cards for tomorrow/tomorrownight are desirable or shuffle-bait.

You got the trumpcard info right Fishy? I still think its better to keep it a secret for a number of reasons since itll probably strongly influence mafia kill options. It might however, also influence our lynch choices for today. What do you think? (without giving any info away, or we can take it to the QT but having a middleman there is a nuisance).

Yep, I've got the info. I strongly agree they there should be no shuffle before spying - tonight's card is a good one.

I think we should keep tonight's card secret at least until 48 hours. At that point we should review, depending on who if anyone is dead. If you are dead, I'm likely to claim the upcoming night's card; I can't see a protown reason to hide it after the scumkill.

[Vecna]

Allright, ive passed along my result from last night in the pt and will do the same with the card spy results when theyre in so we can discuss what well make public.

[Fishythefish]

Sounds good. FYI in case it matters in these discussions: I only know two of your drafted cards. Not sure if that's deliberate, and fine if it is.

[drealmerz7]

- McMenno isn't really that scummy.

can you elaborate at all on this? I look at his ISO and I see mostly scummy, cutesy scum-claims, being difficult, etc. I'd like to see what you see even if I don't retain the view after you show it

[McMenno]

being difficult,

a bold claim for someone building a personality around it

[drealmerz7]

^^^ how is that not just plain scum-tastic? ^^^

[Kison]

Nothing immediately jumps out at me that makes me want to oppose a mass claim, though there seems to be a fair amount going on behind closed doors so I can't really say that it's the right move either. I'll have to defer on whether it makes sense to do it now.

Read on McMenno hasn't changed but I'm reviewing his slot amongst others. Is there a case on him beyond "He acts like obvscum"? The most comprehensive I remember seeing was Giga's and that was what it boiled down to.

[Vecna]

Sounds good. FYI in case it matters in these discussions: I only know two of your drafted cards. Not sure if that's deliberate, and fine if it is.

I only had two, since I missed one

[McMenno]

if we do a massclaim I would like gigabyte to pick the order

[Kison]

Ok stopping at pg 100 for tonight.
Nothing shattering. Fish is town. Vecna is town. I like kison for town and maxous. Although those two are more gut.
Uzi, vedith, kraska, vifam has to have at least 1 scum. Kraska scum makes me want to shank troubadour immediately.

We need someone to give a real care and compile the vca from all those sexy wagons and card claim dance off just to see if anything shakes out

What makes you put Kraska in the "has to have at least 1 scum" list?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

if we do a massclaim I would like gigabyte to pick the order

obviously we go in reverse draft order (starting with TWIE)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

speaking of draft order i honestly think there's two scum in one triplicate (most likely 12)

but there's really nothing to hard-prove that

[gigabyteTroubadour]

6 - rb

9 - Creature

14 - Jackel98

26 - MariaR

42 - Vedith
77 - kraska77

3141592653 - Titus
4 - MagnaofIllusion
4 - Transcend

5 - gerryoat
5 - Fishythefish
11 - davesaz
11 - Kison

13 - gigabyteTroubadour

13 - Maxous
17 - drealmerz7

17 - Drone

2 - Vecna
2 - Dunnstral
2 - SpyreX
12 - McMenno
12 - Lil Uzi Vert
12 - Vifam

barely anyone in the bottom of the draft has been hard-flipped and i think Mathblade/Vedith and Kraska are both likely townslots

[gigabyteTroubadour]

plus nothing about kraska's interactions read like her usual interactions with partners (replacing out makes that harder to confirm because she's easier to read after a partner flips)

too much pressure on Maria, not enough coachiness

i just don't think her scumgame suddenly improves this much

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Subject: OPEN 649 — PICK YOUR POWER X/Y. EXPERIMENT OVER.

== Draft Order ==

Chrimi — 1
Creature — 9

Killthestory — 11
MariaR — 13

Dunnstral — 2
gigabyteTroubadour — 2
Skelda — 4
Charloux — 4
Ümläüt — 5
pisskop — 5

Zachstralkita — 6

cytheflyguy — 6

Vedith — 12

Shadow_Step — 12

fwiw here's the colored draft order of the last PYP

i don't think maria decided the numbers for this team but i think it's still noteworthy that she's seen picking 11 and 13 be successful so

[Maxous]

getting an increased feeling that Math and Dunn are pulling a double bus

[gigabyteTroubadour]

bwuh??

[Maxous]