Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

[TheDominator37]

I think that nahdia should reveal IC. If he does that will comfirm pie as well.

[pieguyn]

I think that nahdia should reveal IC. If he does that will comfirm pie as well.

(don't mean this in an accusatory way so much as if you're town you weren't here and probably not aware of this) we've considered this and this is impossible because if we do this it means pisskop is pretty much guaranteed to just vote me 100% of the time regardless of what happens, even though in any logical universe it'd confirm me along with them. yes, I'm aware of how incredibly stupid it is. we all are, we've tried.

[Gamma Emerald]

GE, you're in agreement that the last scum is one of {TD37, pisskop}, correct?

Yes.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yep UTC-5
PEdit: But why would I draw all this attention to myself if I was scum?

My time zone then.
Doubt it.

[pisskop]

I dont like this push on Dom from Pie.

its giving me real creeps

[pisskop]

Ive told you she would find reasons to one by one take down people

[TheDominator37]

I think that nahdia should reveal IC. If he does that will comfirm pie as well.

(don't mean this in an accusatory way so much as if you're town you weren't here and probably not aware of this) we've considered this and this is impossible because if we do this it means pisskop is pretty much guaranteed to just vote me 100% of the time regardless of what happens, even though in any logical universe it'd confirm me along with them. yes, I'm aware of how incredibly stupid it is. we all are, we've tried.

?? If that were the case why isn't he on you right now? And why does that matter?

[pisskop]

Because, I suspect, pie needs to survive the endgame

[pisskop]

You know, if she wants to win she has to be the sole survivor.

[pisskop]

Ima survivor
Im not gon' give Aa
Im not gon' stop Aa
Im gon' work Harder

[pieguyn]

?? If that were the case why isn't he on you right now? And why does that matter?

... you're joking, right?

another question, who are your current scum reads and why?

[TheDominator37]

Still trying to peice thing together but if I had to choose someone it would be GE because of his random shot at me and he suddenly disappeared

[TheDominator37]

Sorry but I'm super confused on why nahdia can't reveal IC. Could you please explain it to me again?

[Nahdia]

I mean, originally it was to force scum to kill around us, since I assumed they could kill.

[pieguyn]

have you done anything along the lines of ISO'ing him or reading back through the game?

p-edit: pisskop is a complete idiot and somehow believes that I'm scum here, has stated that he would continue to do so even if Nahdia was to reveal themselves, and is entirely ignoring every other player in the game telling him that what he is saying makes no sense. if the game gets to a MYLO situation where you need every town player to agree in order to lynch scum and Nahdia reveals themselves (meaning I'd no longer be able to), this means that the game becomes impossible to win.

[pieguyn]

Nahdia, why do you think pisskop is the most likely remaining town?

if it came down to him vs. GE, I honestly would lynch him solely because I would not be able to live with myself if I let him win by being emotionally abusive as a deliberate scum strategy. that plus outside of his play D2, he's taken no consistent stance on anything the entire game besides 1. his stance on me and 2. attempting to use the fact he had a neighborhood with dwlee/Varsoon to defend Varsoon from me D1.

I'm also trying to consider the fact that both Cakez and you have had notable experience with him, but you two seem to have read him opposite from each other.

[pieguyn]

I also kind of think that once the situation between me and him got as far as it did, him trying to back off and play the "I don't want to fight you over this" card makes more sense from scum-him because it was obvious if it kept going like it was I'd just lynch him without even giving a fuck about his alignment.

[pieguyn]

I don't really know to what extent I should question this since I don't know how reliable my read here is, but I don't want it entirely unsaid, either.

[TheDominator37]

But I thought we established that scum can't kill

[TheDominator37]

And if pie guy wont trust you after a reveal who says he trusts you now. Either way we have the same result

[Gamma Emerald]

@theDom who are you talking to, and what are you trying to establish?

[pieguyn]

But I thought we established that scum can't kill

if scum can't kill then we literally just win, but either way, there isn't any reason not to plan around the worse scenario (scum being able to kill) just in case.

And if pie guy wont trust you after a reveal who says he trusts you now. Either way we have the same result

... no, it's not the same result. pay attention.

1. I cannot inherit Nahdia's IC ability if they have already used it.
2. pisskop will not vote me outside of endgame (3p/4p), since there isn't any reason not to wait and see if scum kills Nahdia and lets me confirm myself.
3. pisskop will always vote me in endgame if I am not confirmed.

if Nahdia confirms themselves, then that means if we miss today and pisskop is town the game is a practically guaranteed loss. if Nahdia continues to hold off on confirming (as they've been doing), then even if we miss today, a mislynch on me continues to be impossible, and pisskop either throws the game into a happily ever after or realizes that he won't ever be able to get his lynch on me and the game is winnable.

in any logical universe I should be clear, yeah, but this isn't a logical universe, this is "pisskop is the worst player I've ever played with if he's town here".

[pieguyn]

also @TD37, respond to the first line of 3464.

I still think there's almost 0% chance that the sequence of events I described in 3438 happened; I'm attempting to give you a chance to prove me wrong, but you don't even look like you're trying to scum hunt here.

[TheDominator37]

have you done anything along the lines of ISO'ing him or reading back through the game?

p-edit: pisskop is a complete idiot and somehow believes that I'm scum here, has stated that he would continue to do so even if Nahdia was to reveal themselves, and is entirely ignoring every other player in the game telling him that what he is saying makes no sense. if the game gets to a MYLO situation where you need every town player to agree in order to lynch scum and Nahdia reveals themselves (meaning I'd no longer be able to), this means that the game becomes impossible to win.

Who is the antecedent?
Pisskop- No
Nahdia- Skimmed

[TheDominator37]

@Pisskop is it true that you will vote pie in the instance that nahdia reveals? If yes why?