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[Gamma Emerald]

Aj - this is a small issue, but has thrown shade on Eric after the consensus decided he was town

I did so after reading the first few pages of his. They were not good by any measure.

Thoughts now?

[Gamma Emerald]

on Eric's profile
Joined:12 Nov 2016, 20:13
He may think SITE newbies aren't scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

That was the point of my comme-
you know what, not worth it.
I'm just gonna sit on my bad vote until someone convinces me to vote elsewhere.

Read you piece of garbage (I don't actually think you're a piece of garbage)

[Gamma Emerald]

That was the point of my comme-
you know what, not worth it.
I'm just gonna sit on my bad vote until someone convinces me to vote elsewhere.

Read you piece of garbage (I don't actually think you're a piece of garbage)

v convincing

I'm telling him if he reads the last 5 or so pages he'll understand what's going on.

[Gamma Emerald]

What doesn't seem to work very well?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Aj: so you really think Eric is such a mastermind that he can fake a statement like "newbies aren't scum"? Look at his other statements. Sonia's post addresses it best.

[Gamma Emerald]

TwoFace I'm p sure this is scum so join me on this.
VOTE: Aj the Epic
Your SR on Joshz is horrendous and needs to get fixed, read Eric until you see that there's no way he's scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Twoface is considered conftown, right?

Pardon? Why do you ask?

[Gamma Emerald]

How did Creeps townslip?

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what, I REALLY don't think Aj can be scum if they don't know WHO THE MASONS ARE. That HAD TO have been discussed in the scum PT.
VOTE: Hiraki

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what, I REALLY don't think Aj can be scum if they don't know WHO THE MASONS ARE. That HAD TO have been discussed in the scum PT.
VOTE: Hiraki

Because scum would never ever just play dumb, right?

Sure they might, but it feels genuine. It's the same reason I ended up TRing Eric: it doesn't make ANY sense from a scum perspective.

[Gamma Emerald]

you know what Nacho - I

really

don't believe in the case you've provided but Gamma isn't going to help anyone and I'd rather not vote myself - let's make things interesting; if they go bad - oh well, im willing to take a risk on your confirmed dime. would kind of ruin things if Sonia hammered but I think that was psuedo inevitable anyway

Vote: AJ

(L-2 just FYI)

if you want a very very soft town defense, it came from HF hard reading IO as scum for

literally

no reason -

I don't see scumHF doing that

. i don't think AJ's current actions are terrible enough for a lynch or even a BW - i would really rather something more substantial

Jumping on the aj wagon would make him look worse and he knows that

smugsmug

HF is flipped scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Not 1 shot I think.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are you clearing Sonia
Look at fitz' push on me near the end of Day 1
I'm p much clear

[Gamma Emerald]

I wasn't close to being lynched but fitz' push on me was BS. You are terrible at reading interactions if you think that was a bus.

[Gamma Emerald]

Am I going to have to quote where fitz pushed me

[Gamma Emerald]

the way he did does

[Gamma Emerald]

whatever not even TF sees it

[Gamma Emerald]

whatever not even TF sees it

I have you as probably town but not conf tow.

I'm asking you to explain what you're trying too say. What about fitz's push on you makes it less likely to be a bus/distancing

The shitty logic behind it. If I was scum with him his logic would have been better as he would have inside knowledge I'm scum, allowing him to pick up on tells easier.

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean he did point to the asking mason to claim which is prett bad.

Have you played another game where mason was almost lynched? If yes link?

I'll be fact checking so if you say no and find one that's a scum claim.

Sorta: Open 658
The claim at L-2 felt wrong so I pressed further. If he had claimed at L-1/intent it would have been not as offputting.

[Gamma Emerald]

May I ask what the creeps sr was for in the first place?
That can be answered by anyone btw

Extremely awful play, looked like a scummy smokescreen

[Gamma Emerald]

What the hell is the case on me

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought Aj found Eric scummt

[Gamma Emerald]

So Sonia should stop posting whereas I am scum when we both active lurk?

What's the purpose of sonia not posting? Activity is to the towns advantage. And no, you haven't given updated reads after your preliminary read. Post a reads list please, the player list is small enough!
K

TF is town.

Can do Ari/Emp/Gamma today.

Hm

So aj is not something you're considering? This is not a loaded question, just yn.

Yeah no that comment by Emp was scummy.

[Gamma Emerald]

if youve finished reading lets see your thoughts on the game besides me being a manipulative artful scum active-lurker. i must have a partner, no? whats your game plan if i were to be lynched and if i were to flip town?

i did not say youve given no reads besides me. your reads post was pre-reading the thread. you have not given comphrehensive reads besides what seems to be fosing twoface and a couple town reads (trusting one mason on aristo being town and putting him as town when the other disagrees is also bad!). youve finished reading youve said, so whats your updated reads list?

I'm not so much trusting a Mason's read as I am trusting Nacho's read who happens to be a Mason.

I have not posted so much that this ought to necessary, but:

Town:
Nacho, Ouv - Mason

Arist - Naco

Gamma - Got Having lynched

Sonia - Having was essentially apathetic between Dreep and Hiraki (which was stooped cause Hiraki's a great player)

Scum:
AJ, could be. Nothing screams that he can't be.

Two: His interaction with Having looks like distancing. His retaliatory and dishonest reaction to this claim also looks bad.

Josh: Active lurking in what looks like a very deliberate way. (Is doing exactly what I'd do if I was scum)

TF pushed the wagon through. His only qualm was the claim.
Really not impressed by Empking.

[Gamma Emerald]

Let me share a theory with you. Scum seem to love shutting town up. I've made this analysis and hit scum with it twice. Emp's play feels like scum strategies.
VOTE: Empking

L-1

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm sorry. Semantics are the BEST scumtell. That's my vote pool and who I will vote for. Not lynch. Happy professor? It doesn't need to be a material vote, but again, sorry, I'll make sure to use technical terminology. Not reactionary vote, just reactionary fos!

I'm done talking to you because these stupid repetitive questions to TwoFace and myself are just that; stupid and repetitive. Oops I used the semicolon wrong classic scum tell.

[Gamma Emerald]

At this point Emp is just shading.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE COUNT 3.06

Empking (4): TwoFace, Joshz, xSoniaNevermindx, Gamma Emerald
Aj The Epic (2): Nachomamma8, Aristophanes
Gamma Emerald (1): Aj The Epic
Joshz (1): Empking

No Vote (1): Lil Uzi Vert

With 9 players living, 5 votes are required to lynch.

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(expired on 2016-12-31 18:30:00)

NOTES

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Once Emp flips scum I'm coming for your ass Aj.

[Gamma Emerald]

It wouldn't hurt for you to try and do something, since you're conftown.

I did warn you all that railroading was all this town was willing to do. I don't see anyone here willing to look into reads outside Emp/myself and if you really think you're that good at the game, you A) haven't been reading the thread well and B) are going to get a nasty surprise if you waste two days doing this. Hell the primary issue I see is Emp and myself have produced more content in the last 1.5 game days than the rest of the alive players combined.

There's scum on this lynch/intent. It ran up too easy and is too safe a wagon for them to have avoided. Because no one here is willing to call them on this railroading shit, they've continued to do so. And look no further than good old Gamma coming back from his vacation to pull a lynch.

Oooooh boooooy scum have decided to spin my vaycay as scummy.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oooooh boooooy scum have decided to spin my vaycay as scummy.

Ain't saying your vacation is scum, you coming back and slipping on a wagon with not too much interaction is though.

I'm p sure I was interacting though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma got Having lynched. Nothing forced him to. He chose to do so. It's not impossible for it to be a last-minute hard bus, but I highly doubt that. Plus he's not trying to get cred from it, and if it were a scum-tactic that would have been priority #1.

Next, Empking's interactions with Gamma don't make any sense whatsoever for scum partner or Empking!scum Gamma!town. If Gamma is town to Empking's scum, then it doesn't make sense to close off a mislynch option as hard as he did here; all reasonable paths to victory have Empking voting mislynching Gamma to a win and that gets considerably more difficult if he has to walk back on words such as "Gamma got Having lynched" to get there. If Gamma is scum, then tying himself that hard to Gamma when he has AJ as the wide open mislynch option doesn't make sense; some people might go "scum would never buddy that hard", sure, but usually what happens is at the end of the day paranoia eats you alive. Empking is aware of this.

Note that plenty are SRing me. Scum don't need to be on a ML for it to happen.

[Gamma Emerald]

I believe this as a likely partner for Emp and if Emp isn't happening then I'll vote this.
VOTE: Aj the Epic

[Gamma Emerald]

TwoFace not scum
Empking scum
Lil Uzi Vert mason
xSoniaNevermindx idrk
Aj The Epic scum
Gamma Emerald town ofc
Joshz supertown
Aristophanes shrug
Nachomamma8 mason
This is where I'm at rn

[Gamma Emerald]

IMO Aristo might be scum sincI can't tell: both are completely off my radar currently

[Gamma Emerald]

So basically you think Ari could be scum, but you call me scum, who is the ONLY ONE to bring a case against Ari and the only one to that point to voice strong suspicions? You can't have it both ways.

No I don't
I'm saying I have no clue who is scum if not Emp/Aj.

[Gamma Emerald]

Twoface, Gamma scum.

Stupidass hammer.

This is stupid logic. How about you cut the confbias on me and see that fitz's push on me and TF is not scum distancing.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well,

I think everyone alive is on board with a gamma lynch tomorrow. If he flips scum that gives us a fair bit to play around with. My worry is that Empking is just gonna keep tunnelling me, and that could be dire if he's alive til late game.

I think everyone alive is on board with a gamma lynch tomorrow

This is an issue

[Gamma Emerald]

Look at what you're saying. Do you really think scum would be such an easy target?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll make sure to post full reads when I get home today, which is late but is gonna happen.

It's twilight btw.

[Gamma Emerald]

I understand I said two different things. However, playstyle changes in the background sometimes.

[Gamma Emerald]

If aj is town gamma probably deserves it. Still not sold AJ is town though.

No. Just no. You check yourself right now. We were UNITED in our desire to eliminate fitz. Fitz pushed both of us on bullshit. We're both town and you know it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm likely going to hang back for a bit, see what sticks out at me.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm likely going to hang back for a bit, see what sticks out at me.

Why are you taking this stance at this stage of the game?

I want to get a closer look at a certain person.

[Gamma Emerald]

Look at what you're saying. Do you really think scum would be such an easy target?

Bad post. If I could I'd vote you now also

Are you still suspicious of me?

[Gamma Emerald]

I was checking since he seemed to drop suspicion of me

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I'm behind tho
But like
LUV is town
Josh is town
TF is very likely town
Not really feeling sonia scum
Given what the setup looks like I don't think Aristophanes got a super cool role. So either he's town trolling or scum who was doing a setup, or scum trolling.
With what TF has said about fitz busses I may look back over fitz's ISO and look at his non RVS votes

[Gamma Emerald]

You need to mod a mini normal or open first, but role madness goes in the theme queues (unless it's a micro)

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we get back to the game plz

[Gamma Emerald]

Intent to hammer Emp

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Empking
For posterity's sake

[Gamma Emerald]

Things that stood out to me are how he was hard pushing vedith early on in the game, as the game progressed he backed off vedith, and was pushing hard for gamma over vedith when fitz/gamma made no sense.

No to mention an earlier post he made where he said scum/vedith for reasons he'd explain post game. I think those reasons is he's their partner.

Since we don't have to worry about a scum pile on.

VOTE: josh

No. This is scum trying to lynch the obvious n5 nk target.

[Gamma Emerald]

Things that stood out to me are how he was hard pushing vedith early on in the game, as the game progressed he backed off vedith, and was pushing hard for gamma over vedith when fitz/gamma made no sense.

No to mention an earlier post he made where he said scum/vedith for reasons he'd explain post game.

I think those reasons is he's their partner.

Since we don't have to worry about a scum pile on.

VOTE: josh

That was sarcasm dingus.

[Gamma Emerald]

not to mention yesterday i wasnt entirely confident you were town and wanted to lynch gamma before emp because youd fit as a gamma partner but not as an emp partner. i still do not like that unvote on "policy"

I was the most obvious townie next to the masons.

It was

Nacho
Uzi
Me

So yeah you can get the same fate emp had. Good bye scum

No, Joshz/Eric is the obvtown.
The actions all add to town.

[Gamma Emerald]

4 suspects for me atm.

TwoFace
Ari
Gamma
Vedith

Eric falls off the list due to josh's play and Vedith joins it. Points to early D1 suspicions between the 2 without vote to show commitment.

TwoFace continues to slide.

VOTE: Gamma

btw Emp replaced Vedith, right?

[Gamma Emerald]

Things that stood out to me are how he was hard pushing vedith early on in the game, as the game progressed he backed off vedith, and was pushing hard for gamma over vedith when fitz/gamma made no sense.

No to mention an earlier post he made where he said scum/vedith for reasons he'd explain post game. I think those reasons is he's their partner.

Since we don't have to worry about a scum pile on.

VOTE: josh

No. This is scum trying to lynch the obvious n5 nk target.

You're on crack. I caught 2 scum. I'm the obvious nk not josh

Still, get the fuck off Joshz.

[Gamma Emerald]

Let me state my intent there more clearly
"You're right you're town I remember you said fitz hates bussing, but J is still a bad lynch"

[Gamma Emerald]

You even didn't hammer properly and probably didn't realize the mod had a special rule.

This is 100% a great starting point for the scumread.

For other reasons, I will have to do that VCA/ISO thing I promised for within the week.

Why do people always demand cases so quickly!?

Also should we MC?

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh I say lynch Aristophanes today

[Gamma Emerald]

V/LA until tuesday

why are we voting sonia

[Gamma Emerald]

Also Math I'm sorry if I accidentally drew attention to your CC